Punishment

[Kerwin]

I'm sure my father has said the exact same thing or a very similar thing about me.
I know my dad wouldn't want me pregnant right now.
I don't think this is the viewpoint of a man who likes abortion, but the viewpoint of a man who has two girls, who can see they're both probably very intelligent, and doesn't want them making a stupid decision that will cost them for the rest of their lives.
But of course, that's just the viewpoint I've gotten from listening to some of Obama's speeches and from the context I imagine this quote may have been said in.

And I know this is off-topic, but as everyone clamours to call Obama an elitist baby killer, has the notion of having any class or acting dignified in an election campaign completely lost it's importantce?

It is a foolish statement as life is precious and not a punishment. If one of his daughters through her own foolishness conceived a child then I am sure Obama and Michell are highly capable of providing the support structure their daughter and grandchild would need. Even if they could not it is not justification to commit homicide no more that it would be justified for the Bush administration to kill you in order to make the economy look better.

 

[karisma]

How do you think God feels?
Thanks,
TT

If you think God is against abortion, maybe you should ask him why he aborts more babies than ALL the abortionists in the WORLD COMBINED.

 

[texastig]

If you think God is against abortion, maybe you should ask him why he aborts more babies than ALL the abortionists in the WORLD COMBINED.

What do you really by your statement?
Thanks,
TT

 

[texastig]

It is a foolish statement as life is precious and not a punishment. If one of his daughters through her own foolishness conceived a child then I am sure Obama and Michell are highly capable of providing the support structure their daughter and grandchild would need. Even if they could not it is not justification to commit homicide no more that it would be justified for the Bush administration to kill you in order to make the economy look better.

Bush has never killed anyone to make the economy to look better.
Thanks,
TT

 

[Trashionista]

It is a foolish statement as life is precious and not a punishment. If one of his daughters through her own foolishness conceived a child then I am sure Obama and Michell are highly capable of providing the support structure their daughter and grandchild would need. Even if they could not it is not justification to commit homicide no more that it would be justified for the Bush administration to kill you in order to make the economy look better.

Yes, Sen. & Michelle Obama do have lots of money. [And good on them for their sucsess I say.]

However, there is something called empathy. Mrs. Obama grew up on the south side of Chicago, which maybe has some wealthy neighbourhoods [I believe Louis Farrakhan has a house in one of those neighbourhoods], but there is a lot of poverty. And if you're impovershed and you are part of the working class, there isn't the safety nets that the Obamas as a couple have.

However, one mistake like forgetting the Pill one night, or a condom breaking is not worthy of punishment for 18 years. A pregnancy can put a huge strain on a young girl's plans - and anyone - regardless of how many millions they have in the bank - can relate to that. So, it's not just Sasha and Malia, Sen. Obama is speaking for - but also for young women who don't have the safety nets that the wealthier people have. As well as talking for the girls who are on their way to success and make a stupid decision along the way.

 

[Trashionista]

Bush has never killed anyone to make the economy to look better.
Thanks,
TT

650 000 dead Iraqis.
Are you forgetting Haliburton?

So maybe it wasn't just Bush. Let's be fair and also critique Cheney.

 

[texastig]

650 000 dead Iraqis.
Are you forgetting Haliburton?

So maybe it wasn't just Bush. Let's be fair and also critique Cheney.

Your getting off topic.
Thanks,
TT

 

[Trashionista]

Your getting off topic.
Thanks,
TT

Oh, and calling Obama and his party demoncrats wasn't?
Practise what you preach.

 

[texastig]

Oh, and calling Obama and his party demoncrats wasn't?
Practise what you preach.

It is because Obama supports abortion. I was talking about Obama and Bush and Cheney shouldn't of been mentioned by others because my thread was about Obama.
Thanks,
TT

 

[Trashionista]

It is because Obama supports abortion. I was talking about Obama and Bush and Cheney shouldn't of been mentioned by others because my thread was about Obama.
Thanks,
TT

It's completely relevant.
How pro-life can Bush and Cheney really be if they're willing to bomb a defenseless nation and it's civilians for oil profits?

Anyways, Cheney hunts. Really, why is a quail worth less than a fetus? Why is an Iraqi civilian worth less than a fetus?

 

[texastig]

It's completely relevant.
How pro-life can Bush and Cheney really be if they're willing to bomb a defenseless nation and it's civilians for oil profits?

If you want to argue over that then I can. It was not over oil but ties that Saddam had with al qaeda.
Quote from Hillary Clinton (remember she's a demoncrat):

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.
http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

Anyways, Cheney hunts. Really, why is a quail worth less than a fetus?

God gave us animals to eat, Genesis 9:3.
Jesus stated the humans are more important than animals, Mat 12:12

Why is an Iraqi civilian worth less than a fetus?

No one is less worth than another. You can thank the terrorists for killing people over in Iraq.
But a baby cannot defend itself from abortionist tools.
Thanks,
TT

 

[Trashionista]

If you want to argue over that then I can. It was not over oil but ties that Saddam had with al qaeda.
Quote from Hillary Clinton (remember she's a demoncrat):

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.
http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

Farenheit 9/11 - Michael Moore
Clip on Haliburton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TxqoMOp36c

O'Reilly vs. Donohue:
If you get a headache listening to O'Reilly, skip to the 7:10 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpEh_JHFHYo

CBC, The Lies That Lead to War.
Watch Ann Coulter make a fool of herself.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?do...BtKiCDQ&q=The+lies+that+lead+to+war+CBC&hl=en

God gave us animals to eat, Genesis 9:3.
Jesus stated the humans are more important than animals, Mat 12:12

There is no need to eat animals when there are alternatives.

No one is less worth than another. You can thank the terrorists for killing people over in Iraq.

If the US invasion of Iraq was all about humanitary aid, we'd have gone in in the 80s when Saddam was actually gassing the Kurds.
Instead, Rumsfeld was shaking his hand and forging economic relationships with a leader everyone knew wasn't the greatest.

But a baby cannot defend itself from abortionist tools.
Thanks,
TT

You mean fetus.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I don't get how someone can seriously suggest that a blob of non-sentient cells has more right to life and protection than self aware, fully realised sentient beings who happen to have a different skin colour and religion.

 

[karisma]

What do you really by your statement?
Thanks,
TT

What do you think I mean by it?

It's estimated that at least 50% of all embryos and fetuses are spontaneously aborted by the body.

If you think God has such a problem with abortions, maybe you should ask him why he performs so many.

 

[Kerwin]

Yes, Sen. & Michelle Obama do have lots of money. [And good on them for their success I say.]

Why do you think how much money one has is relevant to how one treats their child? I myself have barely made it of the low income bracket and am 1 child from a poor home of 10 children. Our largest problem was not lack of wealth but a father who was addicted to alcohol. It almost sounds though that you are advocating killing people for economical advantage. I certainly hope that is not the case.

However, one mistake like forgetting the Pill one night, or a condom breaking is not worthy of punishment for 18 years.

Well that is a nice anti-children statement but other than your bigotry against children I see not reason to believe children are punishment to their parents unless the later is lazy or egocentric.

As well as talking for the girls who are on their way to success and make a stupid decision along the way.

And I suppose you believe that single women without children have never “succeeded“. By the way your definition of success may be other peoples definition of success. I believe you are speaking of obtaining an economical advantage, if not then please let me know.

 

[Kerwin]

I don't get how someone can seriously suggest that a blob of non-sentient cells has more right to life and protection than self aware, fully realized sentient beings who happen to have a different skin color and religion.

You are a blob of cells and yet you believe you have the right to life. I don't get it after all you are not as intelligent(sentient) as me. You can take my word on that.

Supposedly Americans believe in the philosophy that all human being deserve equal under the law and should not be prejudiced against because of disabilities to lack of mental development or other reasons. I have no idea about you Australians though.

In the U.S. Blacks are killed by abortion and a rate of 3 times that of Whites. I believe that is probably the leading cause of death for those with dark skin but am not sure since the government does not consider it when determining the leading cause of death. Eugenics is alive and well in the United States.

 

[Kerwin]

What do you think I mean by it?

It's estimated that at least 50% of all embryos and fetuses are spontaneously aborted by the body.

If you think God has such a problem with abortions, maybe you should ask him why he performs so many.

I have heard that but am unsure where those statistics come from and if they take in account the high cost of technology on humans in their early stages of life. Your case is weak as a common tenet of Christians is that God gets to choose the time of our death so if He chooses a lifespan of second or decades does not matter because His choice is just. We on the other hand were not given that authority except is special circumstances, i.e. such as punishing wrongdoing.

 

[karisma]

I have heard that but am unsure where those statistics come from and if they take in account the high cost of technology on humans in their early stages of life. Your case is weak as a common tenet of Christians is that God gets to choose the time of our death so if He chooses a lifespan of second or decades does not matter because His choice is just. We on the other hand were not given that authority except is special circumstances, i.e. such as punishing wrongdoing.

What are you talking about the cost of technology?

In any case, apparently, it's a case of do what God says but not what God does? God must be a pretty sadistic guy then if he happily aborts millions of fetuses every year just for fun.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

What are you talking about the cost of technology?

In any case, apparently, it's a case of do what God says but not what God does? God must be a pretty sadistic guy then if he happily aborts millions of fetuses every year just for fun.

Actually, the rates of miscarriage is usually estimated at about 25% (not 50%), the highest estimated figure I could find was 31% of all pregnancies.
I agree with Kerwin that from a Christian perspective the point is that God has the right to give and take life, whereas we as humans generally do not.
I can't be bothered going into the theological response to your implication here, but let me just say that as someone who has suffered a miscarriage and knows the Love of God, you are wrong.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

I don't get how someone can seriously suggest that a blob of non-sentient cells has more right to life and protection than self aware, fully realised sentient beings who happen to have a different skin colour and religion.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that...
On the contrary Texastig said: "No one is less worth than another"