proving evolution as just a "theory"

[Bugeyedcreepy]

What a brilliant reply. It just confirms you can't produce any evidence for what you accept by faith alone. Thanks

lol!

Evolution of the eye - Wikipedia
Evolution: Library: Evolution of the Eye
Eye Evolution​

Here's an interesting write-up on the different types of eyes found in nature and how they work...

Inside the Eye: Nature’s Most Exquisite Creation​

Here's some easy to follow videos if reading is too boring for you...

(I know, I know, this last one is Richard Dawkins so I won't take it personally if this prevents you listening to the science on it... so here's one more)

Then, here's some "Look At The Pictures" images where you don't have much reading to do, and very little imagining required to understand it....

 

[pitabread]

et me offer you a quote from a qualified evolutionists:

"Mutations have no final evolutionary effect." Pierre Paul Grasse, Evolution of Living Organisms, as quoted by William Baur, "Review of Evolution of living organisms.

First of all, that quote is 40 years old. Second of all, what's the context? Creationists have a long history of out-of-context quotes, so without the context the quote itself is meaningless.

 

[bhsmte]

I do not claim that the translation is without error. Only the original Bible in the original language. So you would have to talk to some KJV ONLY people to see how they defend this translation of the Bible.

Have you talked to these people?

 

[Aman777]

Sorry, 2 Peter 3:3-7 doesn't say anything about humans coming from anywhere else to here. It just talks about the flood narrative (that never happened, btw) right here on this one place. so No, no need to 'try again'

Wrong, as the following shows. I wrote my thoughts in brackets which totally refute your scriptural illiteracy.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, (evol believers) walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His (Jesus) coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

The current evol teaching is that there was no flood and Jesus is a myth.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, (purposely reject) that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (was destroyed totally and completely)

Evols forgot about the flood when they dreamed up their false ToE. They didn't know that Adam's world, the world that THEN WAS, was completely dissolved in the flood.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Did you see the part about the world that THEN WAS? and the part about the heavens and earth WHICH ARE NOW? More study and a new pair of glasses will help you see that Humans (descendants of Adam) came from another world. History agrees and shows that this event happened just BEFORE the first Human farming suddenly appeared in the SAME area. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE Amen?

 

[Aman777]

There was no sudden moment when apes became men. It was evolutionary process over hundreds of thousand of years. You obviously have no understanding or knowledge of the Theory of Evolution.

False, since I'm a converted Evol who read Genesis and saw that it agreed in every way with every discovery of mankind. What you so fervently believe (ToE) is the biggest satanic lie ever forced upon our children. You were probably brain washed as a child in Public School to believe the godless view that you came from the common ancestor of Apes. This is impossible since Humans were FIRST made.

ToE has nothing to do with faith. Apparently, you are confusing it with the religiously based faith in creationism, for which no empirical evidence exists. If you believe that ToE is based on faith and not on science, I recommend that you actually read Darwin's On the Origin of Species (it's not an easy read), and some of the thousands, if not millions, of scientific papers supporting the theory by the testing of its predictions. I would ask you to read the scientific papers that invalidate the theory, but there ain't any.

Evolution is nothing more than descent with modification within kinds in a population over time. Godless men dreamed up this view because they rejected God's Truth in Genesis which told us of the flood which totally destroyed Adam's first Universe. We live today in the second Universe which will be burned. Those who reject this Truth will be lost in the fire. God Bless you

 

[xianghua]

How so?

Do you not think 50 million years is along time?

i dont think so. if we assume that a new complex system need at least 3 new parts, and the chance to get one part is about 10^10- then we will need about 10^30 mutations to evolve even a single biological system. so basically 50my is actually nothing.

 

[xianghua]

We hear that a lot, but I don't buy it.

For example, phylogenetic tree reconstructions are evidence for evolutionary relationships. They are constructed on the basis of evolution, don't fundamentally support creationism at all, and indeed creationists often flat-out reject phylogenetic trees as being fictional.

incorrect. a phylogenetic tree is just a tree of similarity degree among creatures. it doesnt has any connection to a common descent\creation.

 

[xianghua]

ToE has nothing to do with faith.

you believe that a fish evolved into human (by millions of years of course). you believe that a land mammal evolved into a whale. you believe that a dino evolved into a bird and so on. so yes- this is a belief.

 

[tyke]

you believe that a fish evolved into human (by millions of years of course). you believe that a land mammal evolved into a whale. you believe that a dino evolved into a bird and so on.

That's what the scientific evidence tells us. So how is it a belief??

PS. You have been shown the evidence for this many times here along with the documentation to back it up. What you need to do now is to provide your evidence for refutation of evolution and not just assert things.

 

[Speedwell]

you believe that a fish evolved into human (by millions of years of course). you believe that a land mammal evolved into a whale. you believe that a dino evolved into a bird and so on. so yes- this is a belief.

In addition, we have a fossil record which, while fragmentary, appears to show a developmental series of types between them, and various interesting genetic similarities between them, and a mechanism--variation and selection--theoretically capable of bringing about the necessary changes.

What have you got?

 

[xianghua]

That's what the scientific evidence tells us. So how is it a belief??

PS. You have been shown the evidence for this many times here along with the documentation to back it up. What you need to do now is to provide your evidence for refutation of evolution and not just assert things.

sure. let take a car for instance. a minimal car need at least 3 parts: wheels, a chassis and a rotor to move the wheels. so such a system cant evolve stepwise from a self replicating matter. if so what make you think that its possible with biological systems?

 

[xianghua]

In addition, we have a fossil record which, while fragmentary, appears to show a developmental series of types between them, and various interesting genetic similarities between them, and a mechanism--variation and selection--theoretically capable of bringing about the necessary changes.

What have you got?

see my comment to tyke. there is no stepwise way to evolve a complex biological system.

 

[doubtingmerle]

sure. let take a car for instance. a minimal car need at least 3 parts: wheels, a chassis and a rotor to move the wheels. so such a system cant evolve stepwise from a self replicating matter. if so what make you think that its possible with biological systems?

Biological reproduction with modifications.

 

[tyke]

there is no stepwise way to evolve a complex biological system.

Another assertion without backup. How can you have a discussion about what is and is not possible in evolution if you just make stuff up as you go along??

 

[Speedwell]

see my comment to tyke. there is no stepwise way to evolve a complex biological system.

Yet you can produce no examples of such a system for which there is not at least a plausible hypothetical evolutionary pathway.

 

[xianghua]

Another assertion without backup. How can you have a discussion about what is and is not possible in evolution if you just make stuff up as you go along??

but i just explained and even gave you an example. do you agree that a car cant evolve from a self replicating molecule because we have no small steps to evolve a car?

 

[doubtingmerle]

You were probably brain washed as a child in Public School to believe the godless view that you came from the common ancestor of Apes. This is impossible since Humans were FIRST made.



Evolution is nothing more than descent with modification within kinds in a population over time. Godless men dreamed up this view because they rejected God's Truth in Genesis which told us of the flood which totally destroyed Adam's first Universe. We live today in the second Universe which will be burned. Those who reject this Truth will be lost in the fire. God Bless you

I cannot speak for ruth but I can speak for myself. I grew up in church and christian schools, and was taught evolution was evil. But then I had an epiphany in a library one day. For me it was the evidence that changed my mind. See Did We Evolve?.

 

[xianghua]

Yet you can produce no examples of such a system for which there is not at least a plausible hypothetical evolutionary pathway.

yes i can. a smell system need at least several parts for its minimal function:

so it can evolve stepwise by evolution.

(image from https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-odorant-receptors-are-localized-on-olfactory)

 

[tyke]

I agree that a car can't evolve.

 

[xianghua]

Biological reproduction with modifications.

and how it will solve the problem of ic systems?