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proving evolution as just a "theory"

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No, since I am NOT the Judge and some would use a yes as a reason to report me and silence my voice. They've done it before. Amen?

You're saying no because saying yes would get you in trouble... interesting.
 
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Do Creationists honestly expect us to take them seriously when they post asinine stuff like this?
Yes because you have no scientific evidence of evolution from a common ancestor. You have supposition, and assumption, but have no way to test or reproduce or observe the phenomenon.
 
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Specific examples?
You need an example of what it means to be in bondage? Ok, then lets look at the synthetic heroin epidemic that is sweeping our nation. Your either hooked or your not. Your either free or in bondage to the drug. Things like drinking and sex can put people into bondage also. Jesus tells us: "Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin." John 8:34 (people say I can quit anytime I want, I just don't want) (yeah right)
 
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Yes because you have no scientific evidence of evolution from a common ancestor. You have supposition, and assumption, but have no way to test or reproduce or observe the phenomenon.

Comparative anatomy, Embryology & development, fossil record, DNA comparisons and more. Where would you like to begin.
 
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How do you assess this evidence from a Creationist point of view?
I can name that tune in two notes: Theistic evolution. They are working hard to confirm the fossil evidence with what we are learning about DNA. (The Language of God)
 
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I think they're trying to convince themselves, not us.
Oh we aren't trying to convince ourselves of anything. We are as comfortable in our thoughts as you are in yours. It's rather condescending for you to think we are not as solid as you. And it's pretty obvious don't you think that neither of us is really convincing the other? I wonder sometimes why we even do this. I thinks it's because in our human nature some folks like us just like to debate. Even if we have no hope of actually changing someones mind. In the spiritual world its call planting seeds. It gives the Spirit of God something to work with. At least that is my thought. It's called a scriptural principle. Jesus never told us to go out and convince anyone about creation. But there is a scripture that tells us to be prepared to defend out belief. That is what we are doing.
 
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Comparative anatomy, Embryology & development, fossil record, DNA comparisons and more. Where would you like to begin.
Similarities are not evidence of evolution. Embyology is not evidence and the fossil record is the worst evidence as all fossils are fully formed and appear in large amounts. DNA is not evidence because similarity is not evidence. It is evidence of common design.
 
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Similarities are not evidence of evolution. Embyology is not evidence and the fossil record is the worst evidence as all fossils are fully formed and appear in large amounts. DNA is not evidence because similarity is not evidence. It is evidence of common design.
What do you mean by "fully formed?" Are you saying that all fossils are of adult creatures?
 
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Similarities are not evidence of evolution. Embyology is not evidence and the fossil record is the worst evidence as all fossils are fully formed and appear in large amounts. DNA is not evidence because similarity is not evidence. It is evidence of common design.

Similarities is exactly what we'd expect to see if evolution is accurate.....which it is.

Just saying "That's not evidence!" won't make the overwhelming evidence go away.

Explain what common design is and why species will fall into a perfect nested hierarchy. What falsifiable test did you run to come to this conclusion?
 
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The most contradictory statement made to date without even seeing it.
Uh, without even seeing it? What?

Mutations are random, but evolution which proceeds by mutation is not random.
This is true. Mind informing some of your creationist peers about that? They don't like to be corrected by evolution supporters such as myself, but they might be more open to changing their minds when discussing the matter with another creationist.

That ecological and geological changes which are random influence evolution,
I wouldn't say that the ecological and geological changes in the environment are random, given that the movement of tectonic plates is quite predicable and environmental changes always have a noticeable preceding cause that in and of itself is not random.

but evolution is not random. And people wonder why evolution can’t be falsified with thinking like that, it’s no wonder the data doesn’t matter to you all.
I wasn't claiming that evolution was random; I was referencing people that do at the start of my post. However, I can understand the problem here. You think that since evolution isn't random that this in and of itself explains away any genetic similarity between different species/genus. There are problems with that line of thought, one being the fact that DNA codons are highly redundant. In fact, out of 20 amino acids, only 2 of them are only signaled by 1 codon alone. This means that, if a given amino acid added to a protein is favorable from an evolution standpoint, as many as 4 different variations will be equally selected for. This means that, even if every modern protein was "as good as it can possibly get", there's no reason for the gene sequences to match up in the patterns we see. Why, say, have every great ape produce an mRNA with the sequence
AUG AUC CCC UGU UCA AAA when AUG AUU CCG UGC UCU AAG would produce the exact same sequence of amino acids?

You are confused, that is plain to see.
Only, to some extent, by your reasoning. That is, I am still a little uncertain as to why you think evolution not being random would entirely explain the genetic similarity between various organisms.

Let’s talk about matches since every single proton, neutron and electron that everything is made up of is exactly the same.
A bold claim, good sir; I'd think that if there are variations in atomic particles that they would be so minor is to be practically impossible to measure.

That you confuse everything being made from the same building blocks as meaning all things arose from one thing, is that flawed starting point, which leads to flawed interpretations of what you see. It’s all from the same Dust, why should it not all have similarity?
-_- this has nothing to do with evolution in any direct sense.
 
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Oh we aren't trying to convince ourselves of anything. We are as comfortable in our thoughts as you are in yours. It's rather condescending for you to think we are not as solid as you. And it's pretty obvious don't you think that neither of us is really convincing the other? I wonder sometimes why we even do this. I thinks it's because in our human nature some folks like us just like to debate. Even if we have no hope of actually changing someones mind. In the spiritual world its call planting seeds. It gives the Spirit of God something to work with. At least that is my thought. It's called a scriptural principle. Jesus never told us to go out and convince anyone about creation. But there is a scripture that tells us to be prepared to defend out belief. That is what we are doing.
What would change your mind?
 
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White man speak with forked tongue.
No, what Justatruthseeker said is correct; evolution on the whole is not random, though mutation, which influences evolution, is. To clarify further, what mutations you end up with that are unique unto yourself are random, but whether or not they improve or impair your ability to survive and reproduce is not random. A mutation that causes darker skin is an advantage in sunny environments and a disadvantage in environments that experience long periods of darkness, due to how our bodies generate vitamin D from light exposure (as well as how too much light exposure can damage the cells in our skin). Thus, trends in human skin tones are not random, even though the mutations that gave rise to the variation are.

Of course, Justa disagrees with me entirely on the validity of evolution, so he would disagree with this being the reason for variation in skin tones, but that will not discourage me from defending him when he gets something right.
 
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You need an example of what it means to be in bondage? Ok, then lets look at the synthetic heroin epidemic that is sweeping our nation. Your either hooked or your not. Your either free or in bondage to the drug. Things like drinking and sex can put people into bondage also. Jesus tells us: "Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin." John 8:34 (people say I can quit anytime I want, I just don't want) (yeah right)

I call that addiction. You can call it whatever you like.
 
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Of course you dont. That would mean you would have to consider everything i state and not just the parts you cherry pick.
I consider everything you say. I just do not have a comment on everything you say. That means I have nothing to add to what you have said.
 
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No, what Justatruthseeker said is correct; evolution on the whole is not random, though mutation, which influences evolution, is. To clarify further, what mutations you end up with that are unique unto yourself are random, but whether or not they improve or impair your ability to survive and reproduce is not random. A mutation that causes darker skin is an advantage in sunny environments and a disadvantage in environments that experience long periods of darkness, due to how our bodies generate vitamin D from light exposure (as well as how too much light exposure can damage the cells in our skin). Thus, trends in human skin tones are not random, even though the mutations that gave rise to the variation are.

Of course, Justa disagrees with me entirely on the validity of evolution, so he would disagree with this being the reason for variation in skin tones, but that will not discourage me from defending him when he gets something right.
I do not believe in the random mutation theory. A lot of the theory has nothing to do with mutations, the information was there from the beginning. For example I do not consider frame shift to be a mutation but it is included in the mutation theory.

A good example are the hamsters you buy in the pet stores. Because of inbreeding they tend to all be the same color but in the wild they were many different colors like most all species.
 
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why not? take a motion system for instance. any motion system will need at least several parts for it's minimal function. similar to the minimal car example.
Its predecessor had a different function. Try again.
 
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