proving evolution as just a "theory"

[pitabread]

The big difference is between dumb as a rock "nothing" that started it all, and "something" or "God" that started it all. God, a creator over nothing, not only makes more sense, but logically, seems to be the only possible scenario.

Occam's Razor.

That's not how Occam's Razor works.

Especially since by invoking an arbitrary supernatural entity, you're now stuck with having to explain the existence of said entity. In effect, all you've done is shifted the problem back a step. But the problem is still there.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Good example, thanks.

If Walker, a famous painter, painted 3112 paintings - landscapes, houses, portraits, fruit, fish, skies, clouds, etc etc etc ...
they would all be similar to each other
(and usually, apparently, easy from the evidence(the paintings) to show the same source)
in spite of the widely different subjects,
and
guess what -
they all were created by the same person.

When YHWH created all the species, plants, trees, fish and animals,
they NATURALLY have MANY SIMILARITIES, because they ARE RELATED. - they all came from the SAME AUTHOR/ CREATOR.

He could have created them without similarities, if HE wanted to - HE does whatever HE wants to do.

These two paintings were made by the exact same artist.

This one was made by a different artist.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

And if atheists could prove just one prophecy of the Bible failed, they would have a case.

When was this fulfilled?

Ezek 29:19-20
19 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will give the land of Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. And he will carry off her wealth and capture her spoil and seize her plunder; and it will be wages for his army.
20 "I have given him the land of Egypt for his labor which he performed, because they acted for Me," declares the Lord GOD.
NASU

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

< shrugs > ask the paint critics and experts.

Showing paintings here is an empty gesture, no value. (can't do anything with it )

 

[Kenny'sID]

That's not how Occam's Razor works.

Of course that's how it works.

Especially since by invoking an arbitrary supernatural entity, you're now stuck with having to explain the existence of said entity.

Supernatural? and all that is here coming from "nothing" is not supernatural?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Especially since by invoking an arbitrary supernatural entity

... That's like saying the President of the United States is an arbitray natural spokeman for politics.... no...

YHWH is not at all arbitrary... He is extremely well defined, known, and specific.

 

[pitabread]

Of course that's how it works.

No. Occam's Razor is a case of where all else is equal, the hypothesis with the fewest elements is the one to select.

An explanation involving an unbounded supernatural entity is hardly the hypothesis with the fewest elements.

Supernatural? and all that is here coming from "nothing" is not supernatural?

I suppose that would depend on one's definition of 'supernatural'. However, invoking an unexplained supernatural entity as an explanation of the origin of the universe still doesn't really solve the problem of the origin of the universe. It just adds another unexplained element to the equation.

 

[pitabread]

YHWH is not at all arbitrary... He is extremely well defined, known, and specific.

Given the sheer amount of disagreement over the nature of god in the world, even to the point people still kill each other over said disagreement, I would say no, it's not well defined, known or specific at all.

Ultimately, the nature of god seems entirely in the eye of the beholder.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Given the sheer amount of disagreement over the nature of god in the world, even to the point people still kill each other over it, I would say no, it's not well defined, known or specific at all.

Ultimately, the nature of god seems entirely in the eye of the beholder.

You are observing a huge group that you are a part of intimently all your life.
And you are using their own criteria to support their own declarations.

If you find one or two people called out of the world by YHWH, set apart and born again by Him, ask them (anywhere on earth, any country, any age group).

No serious disagreement will be found. - instead, perfect agreement, perfect joy, perfect peace, perfect righteousness, living in union all the time in Yeshua HaMashiah , Jesus the Messiah.

THen, maybe for the first time in your life, you may ask someone directly who is living in union willingly and obediently with YHWH (GOD).

 

[pitabread]

You are observing a huge group that you are a part of intimently all your life.
And you are using their own criteria to support their own declarations.

If you find one or two people called out of the world by YHWH, set apart and born again by Him, ask them (anywhere on earth, any country, any age group).

No serious disagreement will be found. - instead, perfect agreement, perfect joy, perfect peace, perfect righteousness, living in union all the time in Yeshua HaMashiah , Jesus the Messiah.

THen, maybe for the first time in your life, you may ask someone directly who is living in union willingly and obediently with YHWH (GOD).

Yeah, I don't buy that.

What I was talking about is the problem of the origin of the universe and invoking arbitrary unbounded entities as explanations doesn't actually solve anything. It merely compounds the issue, because now you have to account for the entity you have invoked and trying to explain its origin or existence.

And given that this is a topic which philosophers, spiritualists, theologians, etc, still haven't solved after thousands of years, I'm not exactly holding my breath for an answer.

You're welcome to your beliefs, but there is still ample disagreement in the world about what the real True Belief(TM) is. Which is why my own philosophy is simply that it's all made up.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yeah, I don't buy that.

You don't have to buy anything. It's obvious and free.

You are human being, right? In human society , right? probably in a few groups listed in the phone book or other ? Right ?

 

[Kenny'sID]

No. Occam's Razor is a case of where all else is equal, the hypothesis with the fewest elements is the one to select.

An explanation involving an unbounded supernatural entity is hardly the hypothesis with the fewest elements.

You have to go back further and start from nothing where all things are perfecly equally.

I suppose that would depend on one's definition of 'supernatural'. However, invoking an unexplained supernatural entity as an explanation of the origin of the universe still doesn't really solve the problem of the origin of the universe. It just adds another unexplained element to the equation.

We aren't trying to solve that problem here, we are just talking likelihoods not definites...at least that's what I thought we were doing.

 

[The Times]

The whole thing is hilarious/ridiculous, and it's amazing how multitudes of seemingly, otherwise intelligent people, just accept it.

Could this be what is prophesied in the Bible as the Strong Delusion, that befalls the Man/people (Anthropos) of Sin?

Romans 1:18-20
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

From the Fibonnici Pattern of his devine signiture across all of creation from the finite to the infinite, God's authorship of life itself is evidenced in all the universe, yet the people of sin/lawlessness continue to have contempt for him by advocating an Evolution Theory religion that asserts that there is NO Intelligent Designer behind all these miraculous natural wonders.

Romans 1:21-23
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Notice that Darwinism looks at Creation in order to prove its non deity based religious statement of belief, from the birds, mammals and reptilian species angles.

What a prophesy I say, which clearly identifies and exposes the LIE of Evolution.

Romans 1:24-25
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

I will make a statement that will identify all Evolution pundits, whether they be deityless Atheists or deity theists. They are all Liberals in the heart through and through, so go figure. Notice to be Liberal is to serve the creature who is man, hence the term Man of Sin. In the Greek it is anthropos of sin, which is plural for people of sin.

Also note that those who advocate Evolution have no problem with embracing transgender non human identity.

All these Evolutionists have one mind, that is to deny God his authorship of creation, by looking at creation from a chaotic vantage point, where even gender lines are not left from being corrupted by the pushing of the boundary of the lie. Make the lie big enough, who can fathom to accept that such a lie could have been perpitrated against humanity by those who serve the purpose of the lie against the Holy Creator Jesus Christ.

 

[The Times]

If creationists could prove that a specific fossil organism didn't have parents, grandparents, etc. and therefore couldn't be descended from remote ancestors that belonged to a different kind, they would have a case.

Evolution takes the crossword of life consisting of millions of interconnected words for each and every independently existing species and claims to know how, what, where and why the words are, by cornflating a few inconsistent and incoherent words of the crossword of life and by falsely claiming that they know what, why, where and how the words are and came about across all the independent species.

This is the swiss cheese lie from hell that just begs belief, a lie so big and so mean and so terrible against humanity and the school children at risk, that only a lawless criminal mind can come up with such a fraud of the centuries.

How can we continue to bare these people and not have to address their lies directly in a polite way. We have to start calling them out for the sake of the school children at risk. For Christ's sake, these people are making teaching policies and advocating homosexuality, transgender, transhumanism, and post humanism and all anti Christ and anti humanity policies to destroy our families and children.

Stand up NOW for Jesus Christ the Creator!

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Evolution takes the crossword of life consisting of millions of interconnected words for each and every independently existing species and claims to know how, what, where and why the words are, by cornflating a few inconsistent and incoherent words of the crossword of life and by falsely claiming that they know what, why, where and how the words are and came about across all the independent species.

This is the swiss cheese lie from hell that just begs belief, a lie so big and so mean and so terrible against humanity and the school children at risk, that only a lawless criminal mind can come up with such a fraud of the centuries.

How can we continue to bare these people and not have to address their lies directly in a polite way. We have to start calling them out for the sake of the school children at risk. For Christ's sake, these people are making teaching policies and advocating homosexuality, transgender, transhumanism, and post humanism and all anti Christ and anti humanity policies to destroy our families and children.

Stand up NOW for Jesus Christ the Creator!

The above confused argument against evolution was written by a human being with a coccyx . . . which is obviously a left over remnant from a previous species that actually had a tail.

 

[The Times]

The above confused argument against evolution was written by a human being with a coccyx . . . which is obviously a left over remnant from a previous species that actually had a tail.

Are you a Liberal?
Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Creator?
Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?
Do you believe that transgender, transhumanism, and post humanism is a lie?

If you want to use the term coccyx, then perhaps you should be kind enough to answer the above questions to tell us who you stand for in truth and in honesty. Thanks and much appreciated.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

You are observing a huge group that you are a part of intimently all your life.
And you are using their own criteria to support their own declarations.

If you find one or two people called out of the world by YHWH, set apart and born again by Him, ask them (anywhere on earth, any country, any age group).
1.

You can find people who agree together that differ from other people who agree with each other. So this argument is worthless.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Are you a Liberal?
Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Creator?
Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?
Do you believe that transgender, transhumanism, and post humanism is a lie?

If you want to use the term coccyx, then perhaps you should be kind enough to answer the above questions to tell us who you stand for in truth and in honesty. Thanks and much appreciated.

So you think evidence for evolution doesn't matter if its brought by somebody not in your tribe?

I believe Jesus Christ is the creator.

I accept that God deplores homosexuality. I don't accept that God deplores a homosexual person.

I not sure what it would mean to say transgender, transhumanism, and post-humanism is a lie.
I think you've started playing word games again.

As for being a "liberal", that word simply means to those of your ilk I don't agree with everything you say, and that would be true, apparantly.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You can find people who agree together that differ from other people who agree with each other. So this argument is worthless.

Exactly. That is kind of the point.....

Like someone wrote once (years ago): The Apostles said - What I/we say is not important, and what you or someone else says is not important,
all that is important is

what YHWH Says and what YHWH Does.


mankind is nothing. *there is nothing good in the flesh/ carnal world/ etc ....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What did Jesus call the religious teachers of the day : "You sons of the devil"

and what is written of the converts ? "... twice as much sons of the devil"

so what would Jesus say to the same today ? and to the corrupt in flesh, mind and spirit ? (like Esau, unrepentant, ) : profane, defiled.....