proving evolution as just a "theory"

[AV1611VET]

It was God who instructed Noah to build the boat and God gave the size of the boat and the kind of wood to use and to waterproof it with tar, inside and outside.

You lost me on this one, chief.

I'm not sure what point you're making.

Are you saying the Ark wasn't a miracle?

If you believe that, then test it yourself.

Go get some wood, build a small box, and try to keep the box together with just glue.

No nails, no screws, no nothing -- just glue.

Then put it in a swimming pool, dive off the diving board, and "cannon ball" next to it.

See if it's still in one piece when you're done.

No, my friend, the Ark was a miracle.

And for the record, I believe there were nine people on the Ark -- not eight.

Daniel 3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

 

[pitabread]

Most of the time someone mentions a Creationists book or Creationists site evolutionists just poo poo it and say it has no value and it's point are not valid because it's Creationists.

Have you ever read some of those creationist sites? They're usually pretty bad.

 

[AV1611VET]

Have you ever read some of those creationist sites? They're usually pretty bad.

Worth crucifying?

 

[Speedwell]

Worth crucifying?

LOL! Talk about crucifying. They want to teach it in public schools--any smart AP biology students will do the job.

 

[AV1611VET]

LOL! Talk about crucifying. They want to teach it in public schools--any smart AP biology students will do the job.

Because their prime directive is: NO BIBLE ALLOWED?

 

[Speedwell]

Because their prime directive is: NO BIBLE ALLOWED?

No, because creationism is religion and it is not the only religion. It's not even the only Christian religion.

 

[USincognito]

I don't know what that genetics book is going to say, but I bet they will talk about evolution. So it's an evolution book because they believe in it. Even though there is no evidence of evolution from a common ancestor. It's assumed.

That simply isn't true. There is an enormous amount of evidence for common ancestry. Some wish to remain ignorant of it, some will hand wave it away, but it is real and there is lots of it.

How many evilutionists read those books you mentioned?

How about we have a discussion without flaming?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, because creationism is religion ...

Either that, or it's history.

Calling creationism a religion, then saying it doesn't belong in school, is like calling some people "slaves," then saying they don't belong at the voting booth.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is an enormous amount of evidence for common ancestry.

How many tries did it take to finally get a paradigm that is convincing?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Because their prime directive is: NO BIBLE ALLOWED?

No, because the Prime Directive is: NO MYTHOLOGY ALLOWED.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, because the Prime Directive is: NO MYTHOLOGY ALLOWED.

I see.

By using such a broad term, then it's simply a matter of calling something MYTHOLOGY, and it's instantly banned.

Smart thinking.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

When posters flame or goad me with their language, in the future I will not respond.

Goading is against the rules. You should report them.

In the meantime, how about you respond to my post?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I see.

By using such a broad term, then it's simply a matter of calling something MYTHOLOGY, and it's instantly banned.

Smart thinking.

Of course, science science is a search for truth, something has to actually be mythology before the term gets brought out.

I understand you don't suffer from that limitation.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Either that, or it's history.

Calling creationism a religion, then saying it doesn't belong in school, is like calling some people "slaves," then saying they don't belong at the voting booth.

Funny how Christians used to do that.

 

[AV1611VET]

science science is a search for truth,

And I have a feeling they wouldn't recognize the Truth if the Truth paid them a visit in person.

 

[OzSpen]

You lost me on this one, chief.

I'm not sure what point you're making.

Are you saying the Ark wasn't a miracle?

If you believe that, then test it yourself.

Go get some wood, build a small box, and try to keep the box together with just glue.

No nails, no screws, no nothing -- just glue.

Then put it in a swimming pool, dive off the diving board, and "cannon ball" next to it.

See if it's still in one piece when you're done.

No, my friend, the Ark was a miracle.

And for the record, I believe there were nine people on the Ark -- not eight.

Daniel 3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Firstly, the Scriptures that you try to prove there are 9 people on the Ark are your spiritualised speculation and forced interpretation when Genesis 6-7 specifically states that,

13 That very day Noah had gone into the boat with his wife and his sons—Shem, Ham, and Japheth—and their wives. 14 With them in the boat were pairs of every kind of animal—domestic and wild, large and small—along with birds of every kind (Gen 7:13-14).​

This point of 8 people being on the Ark is confirmed in 1 Peter 3: 18-20 (NLT):

18 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit."

19 So he went and preached to the spirits in prison— 20 those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.​

My points were:

1. God told Noah what kind and size of Ark to build. This was the Almighty God's instruction.
2. It took a supernatural act to bring all that water. It was more than rain for 40 days and 40 nights, but also 'all the underground waters erupted from the earth' (Gen 7:11 NLT).

When God tells a righteous man, Noah, how he is going to judge the world and what Noah and his family's role was, we had better take notice. But that won't happen if one's worldview is against the God who performs miracles.

Oz

 

[AV1611VET]

When God tells a righteous man, Noah, how he is going to judge the world and what Noah and his family's role was, we had better take notice. But that won't happen if one's worldview is against the God who performs miracles.

No argument there.

Why are we even discussing this?

It seems I said the Ark was a miracle, and it appears you're disagreeing.

 

[OzSpen]

Goading is against the rules. You should report them.

In the meantime, how about you respond to my post?

But you did it to me in #6045: 'So you'd have no problem presenting that evidence? The remainder of your post would seem to demonstrate that you actually have nothing and this is all bluster'.

Yes, goading is against the rules, but you don't practise what you preach.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

No argument there.

Why are we even discussing this?

It seems I said the Ark was a miracle, and it appears you're disagreeing.

AV,

I provided biblical evidence in support of your statement that the Ark and the Flood were miraculous events.

I wonder why there are so many fossils around the world when God wiped out ALL except those on the Ark.

Oz

 

[TLK Valentine]

And I have a feeling they wouldn't recognize the Truth if the Truth paid them a visit in person.

Your feelings are noted... they change nothing, but they are noted.