proving evolution as just a "theory"

[Bugeyedcreepy]

So far you have only presente4d opinions for what you believe.

So you can't even show me where I don't understand verifiable evidence? I'm so surprised...

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Yup.

You know what that tells me?

That tells me the Ark was a miracle.

lol! Of course! I suppose same miracle that whisked it away somewhere safe, never to be seen again? Can't have all that 'evidence' laying about, right?

 

[AV1611VET]

Whereas Embedded age is "age without maturity,"

Try "maturity without history," professor.

It appears that God created every thing, not only perfect as it respects its nature, but also in a state of maturity, so that every vegetable production appeared at once in full growth; and this was necessary that man, when he came into being, might find every thing ready for his use.

 

[AV1611VET]

lol! Of course! I suppose same miracle that whisked it away somewhere safe, never to be seen again?

Either that, or Noah dismantled it to build his homestead.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Try "maturity without history," professor.

And how does one attain maturity, Baptist?

 

[Speedwell]

Either that, or Noah dismantled it to build his homestead.

That's the best bet. So much dressed timber in a flood-ravaged land wouldn't have lasted long.

 

[AV1611VET]

And how does one attain maturity, Baptist?

Now, now, professor.

We're not just talking about anyone here.

We're talking about Adam & Eve, are we not?

 

[Aman777]

lol! Of course! I suppose same miracle that whisked it away somewhere safe, never to be seen again? Can't have all that 'evidence' laying about, right?

The evidence is there in northern Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. It's the firmament or solid boundary of Adam's entire small world, which protected it from the water which was above and below it. Gen 1:7 IOW, it was totally surrounded by water and 11k years ago Adam's entire firmament, which God called "Heaven" Gen 1:8 sank in Lake Van releasing the Ark into our world.

Since it's still there, it is evidence of life from another world, where Humans (descendants of Adam) had our true origins. That's God's Truth Scripturally.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's the best bet. So much dressed timber in a flood-ravaged land wouldn't have lasted long.

What flood-ravaged land?

Noah stepped off the Ark onto a literal paradise in the mountains.

 

[Speedwell]

What flood-ravaged land?

Noah stepped off the Ark onto a literal paradise in the mountains.

That's in the Bible? Was it a tropical paradise like the Galapagos Islands?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Now, now, professor.

We're not just talking about anyone here.

We're talking about Adam & Eve, are we not?

Which means we're talking about special pleading, are we not?

Let's start with the average Joe (or if you prefer, the subaverage Joe) as a baseline, and then discuss what makes A&E different.

What makes a person "mature"? (Whatever it is, goodness knows we don't see nearly enough of it these days...)

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's in the Bible?

Relatively speaking -- after a long enough time at sea, well... any port in a storm, as they say.

Was it a tropical paradise like the Galapagos Islands?

I suspect it was more a fictitious paradise like Narnia.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's in the Bible?

Not letter-for-letter.

One doesn't have to be a Rhodes scholar to ascertain what happened.

Genesis 8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
Genesis 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

There's that maturity-without-history rearing its confusing head again, eh?

Was it a tropical paradise like the Galapagos Islands?

Better.

2. Since God terraformed the earth after the Flood, as the dove attested.
2. Since God don't make no junk, as the saying goes.

Well ... see if you can put 2 and 2 together and figure it out.

Don't let your education get in the way though, or Terpsichore will confuse you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which means we're talking about special pleading, are we not?

I suppose you could say so.

I wouldn't call it "pleading" per se, but then I don't have an extended education beyond my own college degree.

Let's start with the average Joe (or if you prefer, the subaverage Joe) as a baseline, and then discuss what makes A&E different.

Or better yet, start with Adam & Eve as a baseline and then discuss what makes mankind different.

You know? Occam's Razor and all?

What makes a person "mature"?

The fear of the LORD.

(Whatever it is, goodness knows we don't see nearly enough of it these days...)

I agree.

 

[rjs330]

No, evolutionists are not afraid of reading books and taking courses. Theres is a genetics text sitting on the shelf by my computer--right next to the Oxford Companion to the Bible and the Bible itself. Why not go the same places evolutionists do? Read The Genesis Flood, Noah's Ark: a Feasibility Study, In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood, Darwin on Trial and many others.

I don't know what that genetics book is going to say, but I bet they will talk about evolution. So it's an evolution book because they believe in it. Even though there is no evidence of evolution from a common ancestor. It's assumed.

How many evilutionists read those books you mentioned? Most of the time someone mentions a Creationists book or Creationists site evolutionists just poo poo it and say it has no value and it's point are not valid because it's Creationists.

Scoffers.

 

[rjs330]

How can you rule out that your God is so amazing that he didn't leave anything to chance, but set the universe going in the exact way that all the chances would turn out exactly to be this universe and us in it as we are now? Is your God not able to do that? Did God write the bible, or did fallible men who maybe didn't understand everything about God and the universe, write it?

God obviously allows chance to take place in this universe. The difference is God did not create by chance. Genesis shows he's was very deliberate in what he created. He did not create one thing (whatever that is supposed to be). And then sit back see what became of it. He created everything and many things. He created one man and one woman after everything else was created.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The fear of the LORD.

By that definition, A&E didn't "mature" until after they ate the fruit.

Care to try again?

 

[Speedwell]

I don't know what that genetics book is going to say, but I bet they will talk about evolution. So it's an evolution book because they believe in it. Even though there is no evidence of evolution from a common ancestor. It's assumed.

Mine talks about how mutation and the others sources of genetic variation act to produce a random (bell curve) distribution of somatic variation in the population of a species, as well as how that process can be verified experimentally. Very interesting it is, but for some strange reason the authors have entirely forgotten to deny the existence of God. Looks like I'll have to get another genetics book.

How many evilutionists read those books you mentioned? Most of the time someone mentions a Creationists book or Creationists site evolutionists just poo poo it and say it has no value and it's point are not valid because it's Creationists.

I don't know about all of the others, but I know many have and we "poo poo" them because we have read them and find them without value. Their gratest failing, IMO is that they, like you, argue against a straw-man version of the theory of evolution.

 

[OzSpen]

Yup.

You know what that tells me?

That tells me the Ark was a miracle.

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AV,

When we read the judgment of the great flood at Noah's time, the instruction from God to Noah was,

9 This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, the only blameless person living on earth at the time, and he walked in close fellowship with God. 10 Noah was the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 Now God saw that the earth had become corrupt and was filled with violence. 12 God observed all this corruption in the world, for everyone on earth was corrupt. 13 So God said to Noah, “I have decided to destroy all living creatures, for they have filled the earth with violence. Yes, I will wipe them all out along with the earth!

14 “Build a large boat from cypress wood and waterproof it with tar, inside and out. Then construct decks and stalls throughout its interior. 15 Make the boat 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high. 16 Leave an 18-inch opening below the roof all the way around the boat. Put the door on the side, and build three decks inside the boat—lower, middle, and upper.

17 “Look! I am about to cover the earth with a flood that will destroy every living thing that breathes. Everything on earth will die. 18 But I will confirm my covenant with you. So enter the boat—you and your wife and your sons and their wives (Gen 6:9-18 NLT).​

It was God who instructed Noah to build the boat and God gave the size of the boat and the kind of wood to use and to waterproof it with tar, inside and outside.

Telling Noah the nature of the Ark with its length and structure, demonstrates how God was so specific about what He required for this judgment to happen and only 8 people in the entire world to be saved.

Then God's means of bringing the flood to cover the highest mountain involved His supernatural activity:

11 When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky. 12 The rain continued to fall for forty days and forty nights.

13 That very day Noah had gone into the boat with his wife and his sons—Shem, Ham, and Japheth—and their wives. 14 With them in the boat were pairs of every kind of animal—domestic and wild, large and small—along with birds of every kind. 15 Two by two they came into the boat, representing every living thing that breathes. 16 A male and female of each kind entered, just as God had commanded Noah. Then the Lord closed the door behind them.

17 For forty days the floodwaters grew deeper, covering the ground and lifting the boat high above the earth. 18 As the waters rose higher and higher above the ground, the boat floated safely on the surface. 19 Finally, the water covered even the highest mountains on the earth, 20 rising more than twenty-two feet above the highest peaks (Gen 7:11-20 NLT).​

God's revelation is clear that this was a supernatural event of God's telling Noah how to organise the boat's construction and what to do about bringing the moving things onto the Ark. Then there was the miraculous intervention of rain for 40 days and 40 nights AND 'all the underground waters erupted from the earth' (Gen 7:11).

A friend phoned me this morning to invited me to the invite me to lunch with his wife and him. His words were that April 1 is 'atheists' day: 'Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!' (Psalm 14:1 NLT).

What was David meaning when he wrote of 'fool' in Ps 14:1?

Some have understood these words to indicate that atheists are unintelligent. Yet many atheists throughout history have had a very high level of intelligence. In addition, the word "fool" used in the Psalms is one that typically refers to someone who lives in ways morally opposed to God's teachings. This saying, therefore, is not related to intelligence, but to morality.

Of course, this is not to accuse all atheists of being immoral people. The emphasis is that those who claim "there is no God" believe and live in a way that is opposed to God's plan for our lives. Whether an atheist lives immorally or not, the claim is true that to live as if God does not exist stands opposed to the teachings of God's Word (source).​

So my friend was dead wrong in his understanding of 'fool' in Ps 14:1 and I'll tell him so at lunch. The contemporary understanding of 'fool' is, 'a person lacking in judgment or prudence' (Merriam-Webster 2017. s v fool).

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

When posters flame or goad me with their language, in the future I will not respond.