proving evolution as just a "theory"

[Aman777]

Provide 3 examples please.

Sure. Gen 1:21 shows that God created "every living creature that moveth" from Water, which is what scientists announced they had learned, last year. www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life-earth-...

Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4 show that we live in a Multiverse composed of at least 3 Heavens/Universes. Physics equations (String Theory) AGREES and show that there are as many as eleven. There is evidence that we could have bumped into one of them. Mystery bright spots could be first glimpse of another universe

Gen 6:4 shows that Humans (descendants of Adam) and the sons of God (prehistoric people) CAN produce children together. This explains WHY today's Humans have the superior intelligence of God Gen 3:22 AND the DNA of prehistoric people (sons of God). It also explains who Noah's grandsons married since there were NO other Humans for them to marry and produce the 7.4 Billion Humans alive today. Amen?

 

[TLK Valentine]

In your twisted dreams. Jesus IS the Son in the beginning, (Elohim) and as part of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), this means that Jesus IS God. The only thing you can point to that Jesus didn't know while on Earth is the time of the Rapture. This, of course depends on Humankind's filling of the host of Heaven, Gen 2:1 which comes only by the Creation of New Creatures in Christ, which is dependent on how many receive the Gift of God Eph 2:8 and Heb 11:6

Sounds like any time Jesus said he did not know something, he was lying?

 

[Belk]

Only if you don't have a spiritual understanding. For those of us who do, it makes perfect sense. Our real battle is not against flesh a blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places. An enemy who appears as an angel of light, the great deceiver, the father of lies. We fight against principalities and power that is a spiritual enemy who will do anything and everything to convince anyone and everyone that the Bible is false, God doesn't exist and neither does he. And because humanity is loves the darkness rather than the light they fall for it hook line and sinker.

No, that does not help your case. The vast majority of Christians have no issue with evolution. Unless your claim is that Christians who do not believe in special creation are doomed to hell? If not then the idea that the devil is involved in a vast conspiracy to perpetrate evolution is ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is that plenty of Christians have been wrong in their interpretation of the bible over the years. People were wrong about demons causing mental health issues. People were wrong about the heliocentric universe. People have been shown over and over again that their understanding of the bible is fallible since they are human.

So which is more likely rjs330? That Scientists, a lot of whom are Christian, have been duped for the past 150+ years even though the science works and is used daily? Or is it just possible that you might be mistaken?

 

[Aman777]

Unless your claim is that Christians who do not believe in special creation are doomed to hell?

Genesis 1:26, Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16 shows that it takes a Special Creation by The Trinity (God) to create a person Spiritually. Romans 8:9 also shows that those who have NOT been created Spiritually are not even Christians. IOW, they are lost and doomed to Hell. Amen?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Genesis 1:26, Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16 shows that it takes a Special Creation by The Trinity (God) to create a person Spiritually. Romans 8:9 also shows that those who have NOT been created Spiritually are not even Christians. IOW, they are lost and doomed to Hell. Amen?

Are you saying that people who believe in evolution and not Special Creation are not even Christians?

Yes or no will do.

 

[xianghua]

You’ve failed to demonstrate that a creature can’t evolve stepwise. You’ve made plenty of valid points as to why a car couldn’t evolve, but cars aren’t analogous to creatures. We most certainly do not agree.

wait a minute. you already agree that a car cant evolve stepwise. why do you think that the same isn't true for living creatures?

 

[Speedwell]

wait a minute. you already agree that a car cant evolve stepwise. why do you think that the same isn't true for living creatures?

Because cars don't reproduce with heritable variation.

 

[gaara4158]

wait a minute. you already agree that a car cant evolve stepwise. why do you think that the same isn't true for living creatures?

Because living creatures aren’t cars. They’re not analogous to cars in the way you’re trying to make them out to be. It’s like saying cars can’t fly, so what makes you think planes can fly?

We have observed mechanisms by which animals evolve. We’ve been discussing it for the past week. Or did you forget?

 

[xianghua]

Because living creatures aren’t cars.

so what? the question here is about the possibility of small steps to get a complex system. both cars and living things shared such a complexity. so if a car cant evolve stepwise then also a living thing cant.

 

[pitabread]

so what? the question here is about the possibility of small steps to get a complex system. both cars and living things shared such a complexity. so if a car cant evolve stepwise then also a living thing cant.

 

[pitabread]

Because living creatures aren’t cars. They’re not analogous to cars in the way you’re trying to make them out to be. It’s like saying cars can’t fly, so what makes you think planes can fly?

We have observed mechanisms by which animals evolve. We’ve been discussing it for the past week. Or did you forget?

These discussions have been going on for months. It's the same circle every single time.

They either can't or won't wrap their head around how living things and artificial, manufactured objects aren't the same thing. Either that or they do know and this is just a drawn-out trolling session.

Either way, this doesn't end well.

 

[Skreeper]

so what? the question here is about the possibility of small steps to get a complex system. both cars and living things shared such a complexity. so if a car cant evolve stepwise then also a living thing cant.

 

[bhsmte]

so what? the question here is about the possibility of small steps to get a complex system. both cars and living things shared such a complexity. so if a car cant evolve stepwise then also a living thing cant.

Does this type of denial, really work for you?

 

[Speedwell]

so what? the question here is about the possibility of small steps to get a complex system. both cars and living things shared such a complexity. so if a car cant evolve stepwise then also a living thing cant.

It has nothing to do with complexity. Cars can't evolve by variation and selection because cars don't reproduce themselves with variation subject to selection.

In any case, neither you nor anyone else has ever shown us that complexity cannot evolve stepwise by variation and selection.

 

[Ophiolite]

so what? the question here is about the possibility of small steps to get a complex system. both cars and living things shared such a complexity. so if a car cant evolve stepwise then also a living thing cant.

Can you detail in what way the first statement (cars and living things share a complexity) assures the validity of the second statement (if a car can't evolve then a living thing can't)? This is not at all obvious to me.

I shall risk adding another analogy that we can then both go on to misunderstand - Britons and Russians both share the ability to use language, therefore if a Briton cannot read Война и мир then a Russian cannot.

 

[gaara4158]

so what? the question here is about the possibility of small steps to get a complex system. both cars and living things shared such a complexity. so if a car cant evolve stepwise then also a living thing cant.

Complexity isn’t a barrier to evolution.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I shall risk adding another analogy that we can then both go on to misunderstand - Britons and Russians both share the ability to use language, therefore if a Briton cannot read Война и мир then a Russian cannot.

I read that as part of my Russian studies at school. I would not have complained if I hadn't been able to read it

 

[Jimmy D]

Genesis 1:26, Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16 shows that it takes a Special Creation by The Trinity (God) to create a person Spiritually. Romans 8:9 also shows that those who have NOT been created Spiritually are not even Christians. IOW, they are lost and doomed to Hell. Amen?

WOW. What a strange attitude.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Well, someone sure likes editing.

Hey hey

I like all sorts of things

Please excuse me, i wont be able to have discussion with you at this moment as Im still trying to reply to a previous discussion with jimmie and bugs.

Maybe another time. Im sure you will be around

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

WOW. What a strange attitude.

Hey jimbo.

Please excuse the delay. We will continue our discussion soon