Prove me wrong Phobes, a challenge, I'm calling you OUT.

[drstevej]

I think of "sexual orientation" as being naturally attracted to (that is, responding to the pheromones of) a given gender, or both genders.

Hillary's pheromones do nothing for me. Helen Thomas' pheromones do nothing for me.

I am pheromonically finicky.

 

[WatersMoon110]

Hillary's pheromones do nothing for me. Helen Thomas' pheromones do nothing for me.

I am pheromonically finicky.

Well, yes, given members of a gender are going to produce a sexual response to a lesser or greater degree. But, you only feel attraction to women, and never to men or sheep, right?

Hilary Clinton is 60, and is certainly no longer fertile. It is doubtful that her pheromones would get a sexual response from many fertile people (male or female). Helen Thomas is far older, being born in 1920. That you are not attracted to elderly women is not really a good example of showing that pheromones don't dictate attraction.

Studies have shown that men are more attracted to the sent of women when they are fertile.

I would guess that men who are healthier probably smell better to women, particularly when those women are fertile (since male humans are always fertile). It happens that way among mice, at least.

 

[drstevej]

Well, yes, given members of a gender are going to produce a sexual response to a lesser or greater degree. But, you only feel attraction to women, and never to men or sheep, right?

Hilary Clinton is 60, and is certainly no longer fertile. It is doubtful that her pheromones would get a sexual response from many fertile people (male or female). Helen Thomas is far older, being born in 1920. That you are not attracted to elderly women is not really a good example of showing that pheromones don't dictate attraction.

Studies have shown that men are more attracted to the sent of women when they are fertile.

I would guess that men who are healthier probably smell better to women, particularly when those women are fertile (since male humans are always fertile). It happens that way among mice, at least.

OK, let me play your game.

I can be attracted to someone I have never smelled no matter the fertility status.

Maybe the theaters need to put in spray units when Janine Garafolo is in a flick.

 

[selfinflikted]

I can not understand you because words spelled exactly the same can have completely different meanings.

BTW, I looked up Jee Whiz in the Urban Dictionary:



Gee Whiz is defined in the Urban Dictionary:



So it looks like it's a slam on Jesus.

Fine. This point is not even worth arguing, and this will be my last post in response to this silliness. Report me then, and see if I care. It won't be the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last. Reporting me won't hurt me in any way, you won't be exacting any kind of revenge for jesus, or any kind of justice. At most, they will make me edit or delete my post. Big whoop. This has absolutely no bearing on the discussion at hand, and I can tell by the fact that you want to split hairs that you are not interested at all in discussion, but rather you are interested in trying to be offended so you can run off and be a tattle-tale. GROW. UP.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

there is more to attrction than pheremones.

 

[WatersMoon110]

OK, let me play your game.

I can be attracted to someone I have never smelled no matter the fertility status.

Maybe the theaters need to put in spray units when Janine Garafolo is in a flick.

there is more to attrction than pheremones.

Agreed. There is also physical beauty (defined by symmetry to some degree) and all sorts of characteristics that can be mentally attractive.

But, there is something to be said also for pheromones, which seem to be a significant part of sexual attraction.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

What if they are only turned on by folks in their gene pool?
What if someone is only attracted to blonde females, dudes of a particular race, democrats?

What if purple roses like Prince songs? Oh, sorry, thought we were throwing out random and irrelevent questions.

Incest is not an orientation because it is a specific form of sexual activity, like sadomasochism, "missionary style," or any other activity. The participants are hetero, homo, or bisexual. Sexual orientation is already present and identifiable. Same thing if someone is only attracted to blondes, dems, reps, libs, or any other silly variable that can be dreamed up. Doesn't matter because those are secondary qualities and none define orientation.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Both may be hazardous to your health.

That is so embarrassing. How anyone who claims to have 30 years of pastoral counseling can say such a thing is beyond comprehension.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Agreed. There is also physical beauty (defined by symmetry to some degree) and all sorts of characteristics that can be mentally attractive.

But, there is something to be said also for pheromones, which seem to be a significant part of sexual attraction.

Very true. For some reason, Eternity for women is intoxicating to me, and that is not hyperbole. I literally feel buzzed the same as if I drank alcohol. It's a different kind of buzz, but the intoxication is undeniable.

 

[drstevej]

Would a guy wearing this turn your crank?

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Would a guy wearing this turn your crank?

Don't know what the picture is (have images disabled for faster bandwidth) and I don't know who the question is directed at but it doesn't matter. If anyone wants to know what turns others' cranks then this isn't the best site to quench that thirst.

Think the op has been successfully proven so I will say, see ya"ll! ¤unsubscribing¤

 

[ChaliceThunder]

A gay guy having sex with a woman doesn't change his or her orientation.

TRUE! I tried so hard to be straight, because that was what the world said I was supposed to be. I only ended up hurting a few girls and myself in the process. While I liked them, there was nothing about them that made me physically/psychologically attracted to them.

On the other hand, I remember attraction to boys early on. By the 6th or 7th grade I had crushes. And by the time I reached puberty I started having serious feelings for boys. It was not choice at all - it flooded me, completely unbidden.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Would a guy wearing this turn your crank?

Depends on the guy.

The scent of a male is incredibly intoxicating to me. I cannot explain it, but it's absolutely true.

 

[BigBadWlf]

If, If, If. Sorry Im dealing with reality here. Children from gay "couples" would be made fun of horribly in school, and if you would make a child go through that, then you obviously don't care about the wellbeing of children.

Once again….if you legitimately cared for the well being of the children of minorities you would be confronting the problem, specifically prejudice and discrimination, rather than championing bigotry.

Evidence from the begining of time pretty much shows children needing both parents.

What evidnce?

If what you say is true, we should be asexual then.

That doesn't even make sense

Gay marriage is a direct attack on family and children because it seek to remove an important part that is needed in a childs development and growing up.

Just like interracial marraige

http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000001142.cfm

considering your disclaimers about truth and lies it is fascinating that you chose to present one of the more famous examples of lies of the Christian right.
When James Dobson and Focus on the family first put this nonsense up Dr. Kyle Pruett protesed the blatant misuse and misrepresention of his research. Dr. Pruett wrote Dobson directly demanding that Dobson retract his false statemtns: “You cherry-picked a phrase to shore up highly discriminatory purposes. This practice is condemned in real science, common though it may be in pseudo-science circles. There is nothing in my longitudinal research or any of my writings to support such conclusions. On page 134 of the book you cite in your piece, I wrote, “What we do know is that there is no reason for concern about the development or psychological competence of children living with gay fathers. It is love that binds relationships, not sex.””
Here is Dr. Pruett: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPuTQAoO7qo
Despite the fact that Dr. Kyle Pruett has asked Dobson and Focus on the family to stop misrepressenting his work Dobson continues to lie.

 

[BigBadWlf]

A thief can repent,someone that committs adultry can repent,a liar can repent,and a homosexual can repent.In the Bible God calls homosexuality an abomination.

Technically the bible calls male on male rape an abomination.
Other abomination include eating shellfish, Pride and the oppression of others…but I’m going to guess you don’t have issues with these abomination

Therefore I do not believe he would design a person to be a homosexual. I do believe we all have different weaknesses when it comes to sin and some will have to struggle with homosexuality the same as others have to struggle with lust,lying,hatred etc.It is just a sin that needs to be repented of .It is not who a person is and they should not try to justify it or be excused of it.

Yet all (and I do mean all) evidence shows that sexual orientation is inborn

Like anything els it starts in the mind,one way or another and believing the lies of the devil.How many people have low self esteem because of their self talk or negative thoughts.Many of their thoughts are not true but they convince themselves that they are and their livestyle reflect their beliefs.

Are you suggesting that homosexuality is caused by demonic possession?


I dread to wonder what you think causes some people to be born with dark skin

Lastly i just want to add that christians are thought to be haters of homosexuals but he truth is we believe the Bible and will not compromise the word of GOD.

So you follow all the laws of Leviticus? I use Leviticus because you seem happy to use it to attack an entire minority.

So you don’t shave
You don’t allow people wearing glasses into church
You refuse any contact with women during their period
You keep slaves
You kill disobedient three year olds
You don’t plant roses
You refuse to cut your hair

Right?

Or do you compromise the word of God when it is convenient for you to do so?

When a homosexual is truly born again their desires will change.They may always struggle with it but it can definately be overcome.

But if they are “struggling” with it…then there was no change at all was there?

There is also the issue of abstinance which anyone can practice.Also if a person is having sex outside of marriage it is the sin of fornication which is also a sin that can be repented of.

So two lesbians married to one another are not a problem with you then…or is that somehow “different”

So i do believe change is possible.
peace!

jph

It’s also possible to spontaneously turn into a penguin….but I wont’ hold my breath waiting for that to happen to anyone I know

 

[BigBadWlf]

Seem as you have so frequently said in this thread you want facts and proof then provide proof that I am railing against anyones morality here. i have said repeatedly in this thread that I do not hold a belief on if homosexuality is a choice because there is not enough evidence to prove it either way.

There are thousands of peer reviewed and legitimately publish studies showing that sexual orientation is inborn…However there are no such studies showing that sexual orientation is somehow a choice.
Please enlighten us as to what would be “enough” evidence

 

[BigBadWlf]

You seem to miss the point. Some people here put forward the argument that you can't help who your attracted to and therefore homosexuality must be right. I simply said pedophiles have claimed they can't help who they are attracted to and therefore based on previous assertion then pedophilia must be right. Where you came up with the idea that someone was saying pedophilia and homosexuality are the same thing I have no idea. I certainly never said it. I was simply pointing out the logical flaw with the argument put forward. Ask any pedophile they'll tell you they love the children. They say that all the time. people are wanting to have it both ways.

Ignoring the fact that pedophiles are overwhelmingly heterosexual
Jenny, C., Roesler, T. A., & Poyer, K. L. (1994). Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals? Pediatrics, 94(1), 41-44.
Groth, A.N., & Birnbaum, H.J. (1978). Adult sexual orientation and attraction to underage persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7 (3), 175-181.
Freund, K., Watson, R., & Rienzo, D. (1989). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and erotic age preference. The Journal of Sex Research, 26 (1), 107-117.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Despite the fact that Dr. Kyle Pruett has asked Dobson and Focus on the family to stop misrepressenting his work Dobson continues to lie.

Unfortunately, Dobson has shown himself to be completely comfortable in spreading disinformation. It seems that, as long as it fits his agenda, it's ok to make things up and pass them off as truth.

This does nothing but harm the cause of Christ.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

It’s also possible to spontaneously turn into a penguin….but I wont’ hold my breath waiting for that to happen to anyone I know

Sounds like Monty Python's Flying Circus.


...and now for something completely different.

 

[καλλιστι]

Sounds like Monty Python's Flying Circus.


...and now for something completely different.

...a man with three noses.