Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox

[dreadnought]

When one is a Protestant, they are aware that there are liberal Protestants and conservative Protestants. Therefore, you really can’t put them into a single category, or so it would seem to me. Is the same true of Catholics and Orthodox?

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Yes, we're further from one another within our own ecclesiology in many ways than we are with other conservatives in (theologically) nearby denominations.

Liberals are all the same really. They wear different labels, but their overall view of the world (agenda),is the same. Watering down the exclusivness of the faith through syncretism and liberalism.

The same goes for conservatives, it's just that we disagree about what constitutes the faith. We all have the passion of protecting the truth content in common regardless of disputes.
We have more in common with other conservatives in different denominations than with liberals within the Catholic church.

 

[Unofficial Reverand Alex]

Protestants are much more variable in doctrine than the Catholics or Orthodox. While Catholics & Orthodox individuals can very much be more conservative or liberal (more so with Catholics, due to greater development over time), putting protestants in a single category is more saying what they aren't than what they are. Essentially, the main distinguishing factor of Protestants (to put them in one group) is that the Protestant churches all stem from the Reformation.

 

[dreadnought]

Protestants are much more variable in doctrine than the Catholics or Orthodox. While Catholics & Orthodox individuals can very much be more conservative or liberal (more so with Catholics, due to greater development over time), putting protestants in a single category is more saying what they aren't than what they are. Essentially, the main distinguishing factor of Protestants (to put them in one group) is that the Protestant churches all stem from the Reformation.

I'm no expert in Christian history - don't the Episcopalians (Church of England) have different roots than some of the other Protestant Churches?

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

I'm no expert in Christian history - don't the Episcopalians (Church of England) have different roots than some of the other Protestant Churches?

Yes, it's via media. Historically it's Catholic in nature as the only reason it left the Roman church was due to the annulment process of King Henry VII. The king, offended by the pope took charge of the church himself, but kept it Catholic in display for some time.
Later on the Church of England got influenced by the reformed part of the reformation (Calvinists) and it drifted away from Catholicism and Catholic teachings.

To this day we're closer to one another than we're (RCC) is to other protestant churches.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

You see this in the life of the CoE. It's different styles of worshiping is a great example of both these influences.

 

[dreadnought]

Yes, it's via media. Historically it's Catholic in nature as the only reason it left the Roman church was due to the annulment process of King Henry VII. The king, offended by the pope took charge of the church himself, but kept it Catholic in display for some time.
Later on the Church of England got influenced by the reformed part of the reformation (Calvinists) and it drifted away from Catholicism and Catholic teachings.

To this day we're closer to one another than we're (RCC) is to other protestant churches.

As a Protestant who leans towards conservatism, I would feel much closer to the Catholic Church than the liberal wing of Protestantism.

 

[chevyontheriver]

When one is a Protestant, they are aware that there are liberal Protestants and conservative Protestants. Therefore, you really can’t put them into a single category, or so it would seem to me. Is the same true of Catholics and Orthodox?

The Catholic Church may be one thing but the individuals are spread out quite a bit. You have Traditionalists who reject the recent popes, Traditionalists who accept recent popes but not pope Francis, Traditionalists who accept even the current pope, conservatives of several varieties who are not Traditionalists, charismatics, all sorts of middle of the road people, liberals of all stripes including promoters of contraception, abortion, and/or a homosexual agenda. Some times these groups line up with secular political agendas and parties, but sometimes not. Not all are in good standing but may call themselves Catholic to advance their agendas. The group 'Catholics for a Free Choice' is one of those, a group that promotes abortion. But then on the other side is a tiny fringe group following 'Pope Michael'.

Catholic teaching is fairly represented in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. One ought to stay close to that. Not that everyone does.

 

[dreadnought]

The Catholic Church may be one thing but the individuals are spread out quite a bit. You have Traditionalists who reject the recent popes, Traditionalists who accept recent popes but not pope Francis, Traditionalists who accept even the current pope, conservatives of several varieties who are not Traditionalists, charismatics, all sorts of middle of the road people, liberals of all stripes including promoters of contraception, abortion, and/or a homosexual agenda. Some times these groups line up with secular political agendas and parties, but sometimes not. Not all are in good standing but may call themselves Catholic to advance their agendas. The group 'Catholics for a Free Choice' is one of those, a group that promotes abortion. But then on the other side is a tiny fringe group following 'Pope Michael'.

Catholic teaching is fairly represented in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. One ought to stay close to that. Not that everyone does.

I'm curious who "Pope Michael" is.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

As a Protestant who leans towards conservatism, I would feel much closer to the Catholic Church than the liberal wing of Protestantism.

Which kind of proves my point

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

I'm curious who "Pope Michael" is.

Some US weirdo who got elected by a conclave consisting of this own family members. He's a big joke dressed in white, lol.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

The Catholic Church may be one thing but the individuals are spread out quite a bit. You have Traditionalists who reject the recent popes, Traditionalists who accept recent popes but not pope Francis, Traditionalists who accept even the current pope, conservatives of several varieties who are not Traditionalists, charismatics, all sorts of middle of the road people, liberals of all stripes including promoters of contraception, abortion, and/or a homosexual agenda. Some times these groups line up with secular political agendas and parties, but sometimes not. Not all are in good standing but may call themselves Catholic to advance their agendas. The group 'Catholics for a Free Choice' is one of those, a group that promotes abortion. But then on the other side is a tiny fringe group following 'Pope Michael'.

Catholic teaching is fairly represented in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. One ought to stay close to that. Not that everyone does.

It's sadly quite an accurate description Chevy...

 

[dreadnought]

Some US weirdo who got elected by a conclave consisting of this own family members. He's a big joke dressed in white, lol.

I googled him. Apparently there are six people who support him.

 

[Unofficial Reverand Alex]

I googled him. Apparently there are six people who support him.

Well, that must make him official!

Welcome to human institutions; try to get 1.2 billion people to agree on anything, and you end up getting wackos like this.

 

[dreadnought]

Well, that must make him official!

Welcome to human institutions; try to get 1.2 billion people to agree on anything, and you end up getting wackos like this.

Wikipedia said, "He stated in 2009 that he had approximately 30 'solid' followers."

 

[Unofficial Reverand Alex]

Wikipedia said, "He stated in 2009 that he had approximately 30 'solid' followers."

Good to know they weren't liquid!

 

[Albion]

I'm no expert in Christian history - don't the Episcopalians (Church of England) have different roots than some of the other Protestant Churches?

Sure. The Church of England was not a new church at the time of the Reformation. The others were started at that time or afterwards.

 

[dreadnought]

Good to know they weren't liquid!

This year 30, next year thirty-five.

 

[Albion]

It's sadly quite an accurate description Chevy...

Of "Pope Michael," perhaps. But the Society of St Pius V, the Society of St Pius X and several other "Traditional Catholic" church bodies are much more significant with actual parishes, etc. etc. .

 

[Dave-W]

Essentially, the main distinguishing factor of Protestants (to put them in one group) is that the Protestant churches all stem from the Reformation.

So where do you put us Messianics? We grew out of Orthodox Judaism in the late 1800s.