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Protestants and Mortal sin

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seekingpurity047 said:
Might I just put in my two cents...

All sins are mortal... "For the wages of sin is death..." Rom. 6:23

If all sin is one in God's eyes, what is the apostle John getting at when he writes, "If anyone sees his brother commit sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death" (1 John 5:16-17)?
 
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Pandersen said:
I have a priest. His name is Jesus. I confess my sin to Him, and he the Most High Priest.

Baptism is definately commanded... but necessary? The thief on the cross was not baptised yet saved by Christ.

But Jesus said to confess to his priests, so why do you disobey Him?
 
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Is sin that leads to death the only sin that has to be confessed to a priest? If so how is this sin defined? Annanias and Sapphira lied to the Holy Spirit, which caused their death. Are thier others? They had no opportunity to confess to the priest before dying. Would habitual sin of any kind fall into this category? It has also been said here and agreed to by many that Jesus is our High Priest and the theif recieved special consideration because of his confession directly to the Savior. That being said, would confession to Christ Himself fullfil the command to confess your sin?
 
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Pandersen said:
Is sin that leads to death the only sin that has to be confessed to a priest? If so how is this sin defined?

Mortal sin (sin that leads to spiritual death) needs to be confessed in Sacramental Confession--offense and number of times committed. When I asked the priest for help, he led me through the Ten Commandments. (They aren't so "cut-and-dry" as you might think. Example: Becoming viciously angry at someone is under "Thou shalt not kill", being really into real horoscopes, and magically things or even being too attached to power and money is against "Thou shalt not have any strange gods before me", etc.)

It is only recommended that lesser sins--venial sin (sins out of habit, or lacking one of the three requirements for an offense against God to be "mortal") be confessed because they eventually might lead to mortal sins and then the priest is able to counsel the person so that he/she will perhaps be able to "get rid of them" so they don't.

When in doubt, ask a priest. Remember, he's on the penitent's side.
 
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One of the conveiniences of these forums is easy information
 
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Even whilst Christ was still walking the earth, He worked within the religious structure:

"And behold a leper came and adored him, saying: Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. 3 And Jesus stretching forth his hand, touched him, saying: I will, be thou made clean. And forthwith his leprosy was cleansed. 4 And Jesus saith to him: "See thou tell no man: but go, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them." Matt 8:2-4




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How does this apply here?
Matt 8:2
Moses gave particular directions by which the real leprosy was to be distinguished from other diseases. See Lev 13. The leprous person was, in order to avoid contagion, very properly separated from the congregation. The inspection of the disease was committed to the priest; and a declaration on his part that the person was healed, was sufficient evidence to restore the afflicted man to the congregation. It was required, also, that the leprous person should bring an offering to the priest of two birds, probably "sparrows" (see Lev 14:4's margin), one of which was slain and the other dismissed, Lev 14:5-7. In compliance with the laws of the land, Jesus directed the man that he had healed to make the customary offering, and to obtain the testimony of the priest that he was healed. The leprosy has once, and but once, appeared in America. This loathsome and most painful disease has in all other instances been confined to the Old World, and chiefly to the Eastern nations.
It is matter of profound gratitude to a benignant God that this scourge has been permitted but once to visit the New World. That awful calamity was on the island of Guadaloupe, in the West Indies, about the year 1730, and is thus described by an eye-witnessNOTE: M. Peyssanel.) "Its commencement is imperceptible. There appear only some few white spots on the skin. At first they are attended with no pain or inconvenience, but no means whatever will remove them. The disease imperceptibly increases for many years. The spots become larger, and spread over the whole body. When the disease advances, the upper part of the nose swells, the nostrils become enlarged, and the nose itself grows soft. Tumors appear on the jaws; the eyebrows swell; the ears become thick; the points of the fingers, as also the feet and the toes, swell; the nails become scaly; the joints of the hands and feet separate and drop off. In the last stage of the disease the patient becomes a hideous spectacle, and falls to pieces.
(from Barnes' Notes, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1997 by Biblesoft)

Jesus is doing the healing not the priest. He is a witness
 
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I am only on page two of this wretch of a thread that I should have stayed away from... but the Church teaches...that mortal sins can and are forgiven outside of confession ...even for Catholics. If one makes a perfect act of contrition, and resolves to confess at first opportunity...their sins are forgiven.. Sacramental confession is still needed before receiving Holy Communion....but your sins are forgiven you.

The idea that God doesn't forgive your sins until you step in the box...is ludicrous to me, and shows a serious lack in knowledge of God who is merciful love... Most often our sins are forgiven, it is a matter of us showing sincere repentence by our actions, the healing actions of admitting the exact nature of our wrongs to another human being....that allows God to see that we are sincere in not desiring to reject the Holy SPirit dwelling within us (sanctifying grace)...but truly desire to grow in fullness of the Holy Spirit...


Some of y'all make it sound like God is walking around holding gruges and checking off check lists...We are made for heaven...God will use everything we give Him to save us....He is not just waiting around for us to slip- so He can send us to hell...

God is just, yes...but that means that He really, truly knows how weak and pitiful we are...how powerless we are over our evil inclinations....

Confession is not so much about forgiving sins as it is about bestwoing grace and increasing one's capacity for fullness in the life of Christ....
 
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One has to truly understand not only with their head and heart, but with their soul as well and then if they know in their deepest part of their heart, mind and soul that God is directing them to Catholicism and they deny this calling, then they will not be able to claim that they were "Invincibly Ignorant".

I hope this helps.
 
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Like most things, one must look at the heart of the matter: why is a Catholic bound to seek forgiveness through Confession?

To begin, it is a dangerous thing for a non-Catholic not to have the gift the Sacrament, as it is the normative means of forgiveness left to the people of God for reconciliation. Perfect contrition (godly sorrow from 1 Cor. 7:9-10) can reconcile us to God, however repentance that is completely free from self-seeking is rare and for the sake of charity and the good of souls must not be depended upon as the regular means by which forgiveness is obtained. This great difficulty we have in leaving our selfishness behind is the reason we were given the Sacrament by Christ.

To answer the question with which this post began, Catholics are bound to seek the Sacrament of Penance out of love, and it is out of charity the Church commands we partake of Reconciliation, as well. Christ, in His great mercy, knows that our motives for seeking reconciliation with God are often mixed, thus He gave us the great Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation to complete in us what we lack in ourselves.

The question now becomes, why would a Catholic not turn to such a great gift? The answer is pride... selfishness... We have the means to overcome our weakness and be reconciled to God and the Church. If we do not choose to avail ourselves of it, we add to our sins.

Oftentimes it seems as though we believe it is easier for a non-Catholic to get to Heaven through ignorance than a Catholic through right practice of his Faith. This outlook is tragic, and must be corrected. Such misrepresentations are great victories of the Devil and many souls are destroyed through them.

God Bless,

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But you are wrong...a Catholic is not bound to seek forgiveness through confession....one is bound to seek restoration to right relationship with Jesus and His Church in confession. The main sacramental grace of confession is the restoration of sanctifying grace (which can be restored outside of confession, but since we can often be imperfect when we think we are perfect in our contrition--sacramental confession is required before reception of the Eucharist).

Also---the whole idea of it being 'easier' or 'harder' to get to heaven is just pointless. This isn't a contest. We should desire that all get to heaven, and pray zealously for such. The idea of Christian living is yes, to get heaven. But the Kingdon of heaven begins now.- here on earth. The idea of Christian living is to become Christ...to live in ever growing perfect union with Jesus. That union grows our capacity for life in the Spirit, and will be reflected in heaven with the enormous capacity we shall have for union with God.

That is where the sacraments come in...they are the ordinary means of grwoing the soul, of deepening our union with Jesus, increasing our capacity for fullness of the Holy Spirit. We were all created for heaven, each one of us...and God who is merciful love will use all He can to draw us into Him...even our non-Catholic brethren.

I often get the feeling that there are Catholics trudging the more arduous path who begrudge those wlaking a less arduous path, that there is a sense that we are 'owed' more and that we are 'better'. But that really misses the point, doesn't it--when the point is union with Jesus to the capacity which we posses.
 
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christinepro said:
Do you have scriptures to back this up? Thanks.

Sure, here is a fraction...

"You made them a kingdom and priests for our God, and they will reign on earth" - Revelation 5:10

"Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me." - Luke 10:16

"And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." - John 22:22-23
 
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Thank you.
 
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I have seen the passage where Jesus gives this mission to the disciples. What I do not understand is the idea that it goes any farther than the disciples. Someone stated earlier that this was not a gentic transfer through birth, but they passed this on to " The ones who succeed the Apostles may be considered spiritually children of the particular Apostle, but they are not usually biological children".

Are not all Christians spiritual children of the disciples if we follow their teachings? Do we not have the authority of the Word to proclaim what must be done to recieve that forgiveness? Is not the authority to forgive sin God's alone? The priest may hear the confession but cannot God only forgive for we have sinned against Him? That would make this passage in James, and the idea that accountability to another helps us stay grounded, seem to make more sense.

16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective. http://www.christianforums.com/#_ftn1
http://www.christianforums.com/#_ftnref1The Holy Bible : New International Version. 1996, c1984 . Zondervan: Grand Rapids

Thank you everyone for the insightful information without all the condemnation. It would serve the Kingdom well if more would follow that practice.
 
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