"Protestant Genocides"

[Traveling teacher]

Jesus said ..I tell you that every idle wordword that men speak they shall give account in the day of judgement....matthew 12:36-37
For by your words you will be aquitted and by your words you will be condemned

Words of hatred were sown by Luther in 1543 when he wrote
THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES
Martin Luther - "The Jews & Their Lies"
I wish and I ask that our rulers who have Jewish subjects exercise a sharp mercy toward these wretched people, as suggested above, to see whether this might not help (though it is doubtful). They must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in, proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did in the wilderness, slaying three thousand lest the whole people perish....

These words were later cariied out by hitler and the nazis in WWII

 

[ViaCrucis]

I wasn't aware that the Cathars were claiming to be Catholic ...

They claimed to be Christian, and their Manicheanistic/Gnostic teachings makes them a heretical sect; indeed their origins are most likely with the Bogomils and the Paulicians: Manichean-influencedGnostic sects from the East. Cathars were most likely western Bogomils under a different name.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

They claimed to be Christian, and their Manicheanistic/Gnostic teachings makes them a heretical sect; indeed their origins are most likely with the Bogomils and the Paulicians: Manichean-influencedGnostic sects from the East. Cathars were most likely western Bogomils under a different name.

-CryptoLutheran

Cathars were a homegrown western phenomenon, although significantly influenced by the Bogomils. While it is difficult to reconstruct either of these groups beliefs in entirety, there are notable and decisive differences such as more Arian-style view of Jesus amongst Cathars according to Bernard of Clairvaux and an absolute dualism as opposed to the mitigated dualism of Bogomilism. It is simplistic to see them as merely a branch of the other. Terms integral to their faith like their endonym 'Boni Hommes', Perfecti class or the sacrament Consolamentum clearly betray their Western origin.
Similarly the direct connections between these sects and Manichaenism are tenuous and speculative. While such survivals of previous groups or influence is not impossible, it is difficult to determine how much there was, so I would be wary of making too sweeping statements.

 

[pawnraider]

We hear much of the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, when French Huguenots (Protestants) were massacred. Less often publicised is the fact they brought quite a lot of the violence upon their own heads.

So the Huguenots were responsible for their own massacre? Right. I forgot how that works. By the way this post smacks of revisionism.

 

[Traveling teacher]

What about the Turks genocide against Armenien Christians in WW
1-2 million killedI

But this is not protestant chritians being persecuted but muslim turks comiiting genocide...

 

[Rhamiel]

The 'manifest destiny' doctrine was influenced by Calvinism and resulted in nearly wiping out the Native Americans

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

The 'manifest destiny' doctrine was influenced by Calvinism and resulted in nearly wiping out the Native Americans

I find the notion of blaming Manifest Destiny on Calvinism very strange indeed.

The term was invented and strongly supported by a Catholic, John O'Sullivan. Early proponents of the idea were Episcopalians like John Quincy Adams and Monroe. There is nothing specifically Calvinist about it.
The US has a very puralistic religious make-up since its inception, even if originally mostly Protestant.

It is basically just Imperialism, like Russian expansion in Asia or European Colonialism. Are we blaming Orthodoxy for Russian treatment of native Alaskans and Siberians? Is Catholicism partly to blame for atrocities committed by the Belgians in the Congo or excesses of Conquistadors? Is the Herero Genocide due to Lutheranism? Of course not.

 

[Bob Crowley]

So the Huguenots were responsible for their own massacre? Right. I forgot how that works. By the way this post smacks of revisionism.

They were part and parcel of the French Wars of Religion - French Wars of Religion - Wikipedia

The French Wars of Religion, or Huguenot Wars of the 16th century, are names for a period of civil infighting, military operations and religious war primarily fought between Roman Catholics and Huguenots (Reformed Protestants) in the Kingdom of France. The conflict involved several pre-modern day principalities around the borders of today's France, like the Kingdom of Navarre and parts of Burgundy. And it occasionally spilled beyond the French region, for instance in the war with Spain, from 1595-1598, into northern Italy, some of the German states of the Holy Roman Empire, and the Duchy of Burgundy possessions in the Low Countries.

Approximately 3,000,000 people perished as a result of violence, famine and disease in what is accounted as the second deadliest European religious war (behind the Thirty Years' War, which took 8,000,000 lives in present-day Germany).[1] In contrast to other European wars of religion, the French wars largely retained their religious character, although noble faction remained a major force throughout.

As far as the Catholics were concerned, who had seen what was happening in neighbouring Germany and the immense violence that had been engendered by Christians of both sides killing each other, the Huguenots were a threat, and armed to the teeth.

I'm somewhat bemused by the fact Protestants seem to think the only killings and martyrdoms were carried out by Catholics. If eight million people died in Germany and another three million died in France, you can bet your bottom dollar the violence was endemic on both sides. As my old Protestant pastor once commented, "the Reformation was easily the most violent episode in Church history". William Shirer, in his book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" stated that in the century following Luther, the population of Germany dropped from 16 million to 6 million, such was the violence.

And don't tell me it was all Catholic. The Protestants were every bit as guilty.

 

[JoeP222w]

I'm currently in a discussion with someone about the excesses of our faiths and he states that the results of the Inquisition pales in comparison to the "Protestant Genocides". I don't know what they supposedly were but as a reader of history I'm not familiar with such. Was there anything such as that or do you think he may be blowing this up out of proportion.

On a somewhat related note he tried to convince me that King Henry VIII and Queen Elizabeth I were Protestants but I said that they were "Protestants" only because of political expediency which he, of course, refused to accept.

You can't judge a faith by how it is abused.

 

[A_Thinker]

They were part and parcel of the French Wars of Religion - French Wars of Religion - Wikipedia



As far as the Catholics were concerned, who had seen what was happening in neighbouring Germany and the immense violence that had been engendered by Christians of both sides killing each other, the Huguenots were a threat, and armed to the teeth.

I'm somewhat bemused by the fact Protestants seem to think the only killings and martyrdoms were carried out by Catholics. If eight million people died in Germany and another three million died in France, you can bet your bottom dollar the violence was endemic on both sides. As my old Protestant pastor once commented, "the Reformation was easily the most violent episode in Church history". William Shirer, in his book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" stated that in the century following Luther, the population of Germany dropped from 16 million to 6 million, such was the violence.

And don't tell me it was all Catholic. The Protestants were every bit as guilty.

I think that the OP is referring to "church sponsored" genocides.

There is no question that Europe has been a very violent location.

Hitler, himself, was responsible for more than 6 million deaths alone ... but the Holocaust was not "church sponsored".

 

[Traveling teacher]

During ww2 holacaust...hearts were exposed
Some did stand against hitler.....extermination of jews
Bonhaofer....german pastor
Also Catholic church hid 1000s in the vatican
But damage was done by writings of Luther and others.....against the jews.....

 

[Root of Jesse]

I find the notion of blaming Manifest Destiny on Calvinism very strange indeed.

The term was invented and strongly supported by a Catholic, John O'Sullivan. Early proponents of the idea were Episcopalians like John Quincy Adams and Monroe. There is nothing specifically Calvinist about it.
The US has a very puralistic religious make-up since its inception, even if originally mostly Protestant.

It is basically just Imperialism, like Russian expansion in Asia or European Colonialism. Are we blaming Orthodoxy for Russian treatment of native Alaskans and Siberians? Is Catholicism partly to blame for atrocities committed by the Belgians in the Congo or excesses of Conquistadors? Is the Herero Genocide due to Lutheranism? Of course not.

Actually, very little Catholic influence in the early American landscape, also O'Sullivan may have been Catholic, but he was far from the only one who supported the idea.
www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/8/4/68/pdf

 

[Root of Jesse]

During ww2 holacaust...hearts were exposed
Some did stand against hitler.....extermination of jews
Bonhaofer....german pastor
Also Catholic church hid 1000s in the vatican
But damage was done by writings of Luther and others.....against the jews.....

Thank you, very true, even more like hundreds of thousands continent-wide. In fact, the winning of the war can be credited to the spreading devotion to Our Lady of Fatima.