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Protestant errors and inventions (3)

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Albion

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Still full of errors.



 
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I guess I need to go back to the beginning of this thread, which I will do, but I will say the all of what bbbbbb said is wrong. The church became corrupt under the Catholics and the reformtion tried to bring it back to it roots.

The goal of the reformation ws not to recreate the church to its own understanding. It was to try and bring it back to a Bible based and only the Bible as it guide for church doctrines.

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Great Controversy

It is mainly from #27 in the fundamental beliefs:
27. Millennium and the End of Sin:
The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time the wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its close Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan and his angels will surround the city; but fire from God will consume them and cleanse the earth. The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever.
 
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It looked to me like you and bbbbbbb have been saying the same thing, although you both chose your particular wording in hopes of being correctly understood by the reader.
 
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It's a truthful description of the meaning and derivation of words in the English language. It has little to say and intends to teach nothing whatever about the 'evolution' of church organisation. It is hard to understand how one could so misread it. The bold in the quote above is completely irrelevant to the content of the quote in red text.
 
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Ok. Forgot you haven't read the GC. All of that is spelled out in there.
 
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Ok. Forgot you haven't read the GC. All of that is spelled out in there.

<chuckle chuckle chuckle>

Of course you'd say that. It's a point you've often attempted to make but for which you no sufficient justification.
 
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<chuckle chuckle chuckle>

Of course you'd say that. It's a point you've often attempted to make but for which you no sufficient justification.

Sufficient justification for what? You not reading the GC or the teaching that the dead know not anything, the 1k years, and the destruction of Satan and sinners?
 
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Sufficient justification for what? You not reading the GC or the teaching that the dead know not anything, the 1k years, and the destruction of Satan and sinners?

Toss a coin and take your pick

Both are not quite right.
 
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Toss a coin and take your pick

Both are not quite right.

In regards to you reading the GC, I'll apologize if I was wrong on that one. I could have sworn you told me you hadn't read all of it, but only parts.

In regards to the rest, there's substantial scriptual evidence that proves this to be the case. It's just sad that the doctrines of men trump the teachings of the scripture in this matter.
 
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In regards to you reading the GC, I'll apologize if I was wrong on that one. I could have sworn you told me you hadn't read all of it, but only parts.
As the days and weeks pass more of it is read Thus I am reading and have read it. Dreadful book however, most wickedly biased and inaccurate.
In regards to the rest, there's substantial scriptural evidence that proves this to be the case. It's just sad that the doctrines of men trump the teachings of the scripture in this matter.

Well, being Seventh Day Adventist one would expect that the 27th fundamental belief might attract your support.

I, on the other hand, am not a SDA so FB #27 has no special status for me
 
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By the way, did you read my post about the eucharist?

 
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As the days and weeks pass more of it is read Thus I am reading and have read it. Dreadful book however, most wickedly biased and inaccurate.

Wickedly biased and inaccurate? Well just keep reading

Well, being Seventh Day Adventist one would expect that the 27th fundamental belief might attract your support.

I, on the other hand, am not a SDA so FB #27 has no special status for me

It attracts my support because it's biblical. That's all there is too it. Not being popular doesn't make it any less true.
 
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And you know exactly how the seder was performed at the time of Christ how?
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month between the two evenings is the LORD's Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD; seven days ye shall eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have a holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work. And ye shall bring an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days; in the seventh day is a holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work. (Leviticus 23:5)
The biblical regulations for the observance of the festival require that all leavening be disposed of before the beginning of the 15th of Nisan. An unblemished lamb or goat, known as the Paschal Lamb, is to be set apart on Nisan 10, and slaughtered at dusk as Nisan 14 ends in preparation for the 15th of Nisan when it will be eaten after being roasted. The literal meaning of the Hebrew is "between the two evenings". It is then to be eaten "that night", Nisan 15, roasted, without the removal of its internal organs with unleavened bread, known as matzo, and bitter herbs known as maror. Nothing of the sacrifice on which the sun rises by the morning of the 15th of Nisan may be eaten, but must be burned. The sacrifices may only be performed in a specific place prescribed by God (for Judaism, Jerusalem, and for Samaritans, Mount Gerizim)..

From Exodus 12, 16, and Deuteronomy 16. This is how it was celebrated until the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.

And you folks don't think Catholics read or know the Bible...
 
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Well, it's impossible for the Church Christ founded to become corrupt. It's possible for people to corrupt an organization, but the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit, so will not be corrupted. Now, then, or ever.
 
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Well, it's impossible for the Church Christ founded to become corrupt. It's possible for people to corrupt an organization, but the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit, so will not be corrupted. Now, then, or ever.

You've yet to show a single scripture showing that promise.
 
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You've yet to show a single scripture showing that promise.
Which promise? That the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit?

John 14:16 - Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would be with the Church forever. The Spirit prevents the teaching of error on faith and morals. It is guaranteed because the guarantee comes from God Himself who cannot lie.
John 14:26 - Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would teach the Church (the apostles and successors) all things regarding the faith. This means that the Church can teach us the right moral positions on such things as in vitro fertilization, cloning and other issues that are not addressed in the Bible. After all, these issues of morality are necessary for our salvation, and God would not leave such important issues to be decided by us sinners without His divine assistance.
John 16:12 - Jesus had many things to say but the apostles couldn't bear them at that point. This demonstrates that the Church's infallible doctrine develops over time. All public Revelation was completed with the death of the last apostle, but the doctrine of God's Revelation develops as our minds and hearts are able to welcome and understand it. God teaches His children only as much as they can bear, for their own good.
John 16:13 - Jesus promises that the Spirit will "guide" the Church into all truth. Our knowledge of the truth develops as the Spirit guides the Church, and this happens over time.
 
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