"Protestant" Demonologist/Excorcist?

[Dave-W]

I 'm not a cessationist, however I am someone who has seen an immense amount of fraud and nonsense passed off as religion.

Yeah - me too. Sadly.

 

[Archivist]

From your mention of Lutheran exorcism.

But all I initially said was that "Roman Catholics are not the only ones who practice exorcism. So do the Lutherans and Anglicans, both Protestents." I never that clergy were "assigned" to perform exorcisms. Nor did I ever say that the exorcism took any specific form, in fact the article that I attached to an earlier post specifically said that it did not. You are making assumptions without taking the time to learn the facts.

If the denom takes no position nor train its clergy then it is not a "Lutheran" thing at all.

Sure it is. Again, if you read the article that I posted, you know that Lutherans have beeen performing exorcisms since the time of Martin Luther.

Do the other Lutheran groups (ELCA, WELS, Etc) take the same stance?

My understanding is that ELCA, the largest Lutheran group in America, holds similiar views. I do not know about the many smaller Lutheran groups.

 

[Dave-W]

Yes I did read the article. When you first posted it.

I am not surprised that Martin Luther did that. It may have been a contributing factor to his change of heart on the Jews later in life. (the demons came back on him perhaps?) A series of small strokes is also a possibility.

 

[Archivist]

I am not surprised that Martin Luther did that. It may have been a contributing factor to his change of heart on the Jews later in life. (the demons came back on him perhaps?) A series of small strokes is also a possibility.

Well, we know he suffered a major stroke shortly before his death, so that is certainly a possibility.

 

[Widlast]

I have seen demons laugh at "blessed objects." Or have no reaction at all. That is not a valid test.

I have done research on it, and that is part of the reason I do not believe the RCC's procedure is valid. Sorry if that upsets your feelings.

If the demon "laughed at a blessed object" it was not a blessed object. Rabbits feet and 4 leaved clovers don't count.

My feelings have nothing to do with it. The RCC is called upon to do thousands of exorcisms every year because they know how to do them properly and with the desired results (deliverance from the demon) most of the time.
I don't mean to hurt your feelings but Protestants have seemed to be less than capable in this area.

 

[Dave-W]

I don't mean to hurt your feelings but Protestants have seemed to be less than capable in this area.

No, you are not hurting my feelings at all. At least the Catholics see the need. Most protestants do not even acknowledge demonic existence. Like all the demons died at the cross or something. (never mind those pesky verses in Acts where Paul dealt with them)

 

[JoeP222w]

In a very hypothetical situation, would it be right or "ok" for a Non-Catholic man, typically Protestant of some sort, to dedicate his life to the study of Demons, the Occult and, if necessary, carry out exorcisms? Or should we leave it all to the Catholics (mainly the exorcisms part)?

C.S. Lewis once said, "There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them."

If you ever come across anyone you suspect of demonic possession, there are only 2 things you really can do:

1. Ask the Lord Jesus Christ to deliver the person from the demonic possession.
2. Proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ to the person. If they get saved, the demon(s) are driven out by the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is sovereign and has all authority over the spirit world.

I am unable to find in the Bible where God commands us to drive out demons with "exorcisms". If someone can show me in the Bible where this, I would be interested.

God is sovereign over demons, not man. Man has no power to command demons to come out of someone. When you are in a spiritual battle, you run to the Commander (God), you do not fight that battle on your own.

 

[Dave-W]

2. Proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ to the person. If they get saved, the demon(s) are driven out by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

In every case where it is noted, when a demon is driven out of a person by the authority of Jesus, there is an obvious physical manifestation of some kind. That usually does NOT happen at salvation.

In 1 Cor 10 Paul says that the entire OT is for our example. What happened when Joshua entered the promised land? Did the Spirit of God drive out all the Canaanites immediately? No. In fact God had already said He would not.

Exodus 23:29 I will not drive them out before you in a single year, that the land may not become desolate and the beasts of the field become too numerous for you.

I take that as an example of God (and us) taking over our insides. He does not drive them out immediately.

 

[thebackyardpreacher]

I feel it can be very dangerous if one encounters real demonic possesion or dealing with entities. Don't mess around with it if you do not have to. It's not something to be envied by the Catholic or Protestant.

 

[Widlast]

I feel it can be very dangerous if one encounters real demonic possesion or dealing with entities. Don't mess around with it if you do not have to. It's not something to be envied by the Catholic or Protestant.

I could not agree with you more.

 

[DogmaHunter]

In a very hypothetical situation, would it be right or "ok" for a Non-Catholic man, typically Protestant of some sort, to dedicate his life to the study of Demons, the Occult and, if necessary, carry out exorcisms? Or should we leave it all to the Catholics (mainly the exorcisms part)?

C.S. Lewis once said, "There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them."

I'ld say that it's never okay to engage in charlatan practices.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

It is amazing that during deliverance people produce another personality and can even speak another language other than the human's. They can harm the person on the way out and it must be done professionally so the benefits come instead of hurts.