Protestant Challenge

Catholic Dude · Mar 2, 2006

Name at least one person (more if you want) who you consider to be a Christian who lived at least 300 years before Luther.

InnerPhyre · Mar 2, 2006

You should also say 100 years after Christ.

Asinner · Mar 2, 2006

They'll say Augustine . . .

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FriarTuck · Mar 2, 2006

Chrysostom, Aquinas, Origen, Valentine, St Patrick (it is march after all), Thomas Becket, Clement, Demetrius, Ambrose etc. etc. you think too little of your Protestant Brothers and Sisters, Where's your Charity?

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Dondi · Mar 2, 2006

Have you ever read Foxes' Book of Martyrs?

CatsandCradles · Mar 2, 2006

Catholic Dude said:
Name at least one person (more if you want) who you consider to be a Christian who lived at least 300 years before Luther.

Francis of Assisi

I'm Protestant. Now some Protestants are going to flame that saying he held "false doctrine" and stuff like that.

To this I say: He was still a pretty cool dude.

WalksWithChrist · Mar 2, 2006

Catholic Dude said:
Name at least one person (more if you want) who you consider to be a Christian who lived at least 300 years before Luther.

Same question back to you...but with a twist.

Name at least one person (more if you want) who you consider to be a Christian who lived after Luther who's not Catholic.

holeinone · Mar 2, 2006

This is a poorly worded question.

There are professing Christians ( the visible church) that are not "saved " and there is the "invisible church"( the traditional definition of Protestants for the saved).

Peter, Paul, Luke, John, Matthew ,Mark , Philip, Andrew,Thomas ,
Bartholomew, James , Jude, Mary the mother of Christ , Martha and her sister Mary etc. These we have a certainty of.

Were there "saved" (Christian) early church fathers? Surely there were early Fathers that trusted on Christ for their eternity. The eternity of those that do not trust in Christ alone is in the hand of God and not mine to proclaim.

But anyone that proclaims Christ as God and Jesus as Lord, and the life, death and resurrection of Christ for the sins of men and all those that affirm intellectually the basic doctrines of the trinity etc. are the visible church and deserve to be called christian.

ThreeAM · Mar 2, 2006

Matthew. Mark, Luke, John

Berengarius, Peer Bruis, Henry Toulouse, Peter Waldo etc.

JonF · Mar 2, 2006

Catholic Dude said:
Name at least one person (more if you want) who you consider to be a Christian who lived at least 300 years before Luther.

I name Jesus. Do i win?

tall73 · Mar 2, 2006

Justin martyr's apology is a brave work, being written to an emporer to appeal for the church.

Clement comes across as very passionate for the church, having just endured a persecution in Rome, and appealing to those in Corinth.

Whatever I may think of a few doctrinal nuances, the Catholic/Orthodox/Coptic, etc. church were the only show going for years, and they were the church at that time.

Bulldog · Mar 2, 2006

Catholic Dude said:
Name at least one person (more if you want) who you consider to be a Christian who lived at least 300 years before Luther.

Using "alive" the way Roman Catholics do in debates regarding prayer to heavenly saints, that's not very difficult.

CaliforniaJosiah · Mar 2, 2006

Catholic Dude said:
Name at least one person (more if you want) who you consider to be a Christian who lived at least 300 years before Luther.

Well, we cannot judge the faith of any one - only Jesus knows who are His own. But that fine point aside...

Unless I had some compelling and obvious reason to judge otherwise, I would likely embrace whoever confessed Jesus as Savior to be a Christian.

But since you want specific names, the following are just a tiny list (off the top of my head) of what I suspect would be in the hundreds of millions, people that I think professed to be Christians and I have no compelling reason to think otherwise...

Matthew, Mark, John, Paul, Peter...
Mary and Martha in the Bible
St. Clement of Rome
St. Clement of Alexandria
Polycarp
Tertullain
St. Athanasius
St. Augustine
Irenaeus
I'm sure there were millions and millions more...

CatholicDude, it might be nice for you to list some well-known Protestants that you consider to be fully Christian. After all, I consider Catholics to be my FULL unseparated brothers and sisters in Christ, EQUALLY and fully a member of Christ's church. Officially anyway, it's not mutual.

MY $0.00001

Pax.

- Josiah

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CaliforniaJosiah · Mar 2, 2006

JonF said:
I name Jesus. Do i win?

LOL

I think you do!

InnerPhyre · Mar 2, 2006

I don't really know too many well-known Protestants. Billy Graham is a Christian. My friends Rob and Bridgette are protestants and they are Christians. Way I see it is if you have no disagreements with the Nicene Creed, it's safe to say you are a Christian.

SumTinWong · Mar 2, 2006

Catholic Dude said:
Name at least one person (more if you want) who you consider to be a Christian who lived at least 300 years before Luther.

Isaac the Syrian, and Ephraim the Syrian are just two but there are many more.

lionroar0 · Mar 2, 2006

I was going to go with Martin Luther King.

Peace

Maximus · Mar 2, 2006

Protestant Christians I admire: Billy Graham, Francis Schaeffer, Corrie Ten Boom, Dr. James Dobson, Chuck Colson, John and Charles Wesley, C.S. Lewis (he was nearly Catholic, though).

I could probably come up with more if I thought about it a little longer.

One of my brothers works with Franklin Graham's Samaritan's Purse.

Of my close friends that I grew up with, two are Protestant ministers: one a Baptist, the other a Presbyterian. They are both good Christian men, even though I don't see eye to eye with them on all things.

I also have a good friend who is a Brethren minister. He is a good Christian man, too.

seekingpurity047 · Mar 2, 2006

300 years before Luther? Yah, as mentioned above, I say Augustine for sure. I'm certain that there are many others, of course, but that's not for me to answer. Bring your question with God, then I'm sure He'll tell you...

To the glory of God,

Randy

Ethan_Fetch · Mar 2, 2006

Augustine, Aquinas, Gottschalk, William of Ockham, Cyprian of Antioch.

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