Proposition 8 in California must pass!

[pgp_protector]

Normal is already known, the world doesn't need me to explain it.
You get left out of the loop?

And back to attacking the poster

 

[HaloHope]

Normal is already known, the world doesn't need me to explain it.
You get left out of the loop?

World is not "already known". Normal is entirely based on the opinion of an individual or group of people. You can only define normal from personal opinion regardless of how you reach your conclusion of what it is.

 

[Inviolable]

World is not "already known". Normal is entirely based on the opinion of an individual or group of people. You can only define normal from personal opinion regardless of how you reach your conclusion of what it is.

I got it from everyone else

 

[Inviolable]

And back to attacking the poster

No attacks just a straight forward reply.

 

[KCKID]

Let me get this straight. Just so I know exactly what you're saying.
You have absolutely no idea what normal is and would like me to explain it to you?

This is foolishness. You, Inviolable, consider yourself to be 'normal' and so anyone that sees the world differently than you do is obviously 'abnormal'. A robot that is programmed to respond similarly to another robot would be operating 'normally'. Evidently Inviolable prefers robots. Fortunately, humans are diverse beings just as it should be to make the world go around - even though many of them conform to society's 'norms' if only to be accepted as a 'part of the group'.

I personally appreciate 'abnormal' people. I appreciate the fact that some people are 'gay'. I appreciate the fact that some people accept themselves for who they are.

Overly 'normal' people bore the proverbial ---- out of me (yawn).

 

[HaloHope]

I got it from everyone else

Well evidently you didnt, because there are plenty of people who dont think homosexuality is "abnormal".

 

[Inviolable]

Well evidently you didnt, because there are plenty of people who dont think homosexuality is "abnormal".

Only the abnormal people.

 

[Inviolable]

This is foolishness. You, Inviolable, consider yourself to be 'normal' and so anyone that sees the world differently than you do is obviously 'abnormal'. A robot that is programmed to respond similarly to another robot would be operating 'normally'. Evidently Inviolable prefers robots. Fortunately, humans are diverse beings just as it should be to make the world go around - even though many of them conform to society's 'norms' if only to be accepted as a 'part of the group'.

I personally appreciate 'abnormal' people. I appreciate the fact that some people are 'gay'. I appreciate the fact that some people accept themselves for who they are.

Overly 'normal' people bore the proverbial ---- out of me (yawn).

One, I never said I was normal and two I have asked, whats wrong with abnormal?

All the hippies are freaking out about normal man...

 

[Inviolable]

What would you see as a rationalization of homosexuality? What sort of argument are you looking for? I'm afraid I don't understand what you ae saying, and I really would like to establish some kind of communicaiton with you.

The standard run of the mill conversation wont work. I think the kind of communication you want will end abruptly. A little to quick for answers and understanding to be forthcoming. We need the kind dialog that will blow your mind and I dont think you can take it. Or that it will be accepted here.

I want an understanding. When you think of heterosexual sex, what is it about it that turns you off? Why does it repulse you?
People cant come to terms about anything unless there is an understanding.
I don't think you're capable of providing that. If I did my entire outlook would be different toward homosexuals.

 

[KCKID]

The standard run of the mill conversation wont work. I think the kind of communication you want will end abruptly. A little to quick for answers and understanding to be forthcoming. We need the kind dialog that will blow your mind and I dont think you can take it. Or that it will be accepted here.

Well, could you just introduce us to this 'mind-blowing' debating practice slowly in order to acclimatize us? Are you coming at this subject from a Christian or Bible perspective ...or what?

I want an understanding. When you think of heterosexual sex, what is it about it that turns you off? Why does it repulse you?

That's a fair question. I've often wondered WHAT IT IS that repulses someone of same gender preference about the act of sex with someone of the opposite gender. I don't mean to be crass but, to quote one of my university professors, "After all, a hole is a hole." Yes, I can understand someone not being especially interested in sex with someone of the opposite gender but I wonder why they are repulsed by the thought...? Of course, the same question could be asked of heterosexuals and their repulsion toward the thought of 'gay' sex.

Actually, as I've mentioned before, the act of sex PERIOD is a tad 'yukky' when you REALLY think about it. It isn't the most hygienic form of 'pleasure' regardless of who it's done with. I don't know where God's mind was at the day He invented sex. But then, where was God's mind at the day He created the duck-billed platypus, the giraffe, the camel, the elephant, the hippo . . . . . .?

People cant come to terms about anything unless there is an understanding.
I don't think you're capable of providing that. If I did my entire outlook would be different toward homosexuals.

Well, on the one hand a 'gay' person knows that they're 'gay' and, while it's not exactly 'normal', as you say, it's normal for THEM. Some come to terms with that fact. Some don't. And, society in general and Christianity specifically doesn't for the most part accept the fact that someone is 'gay'. So, for many It's a case of living in a world of pulling and shoving and, for some - even many - how CAN they possibly come to terms with something that can be most confusing to them?

It seems to me that your outlook toward homosexuals might be to acknowledge that you DON'T understand what human sexuality is all about and therefore just let it alone. You need not embrace homosexuality but you can live with it and accept it as being 'normal' relative to the individual in question. The sun will still rise tomorrow on a world whose general attitude seems to be, "I have to try to screw you before you try to screw me".

 

[Dogbean]

The answer remains. Racists use the bible to justify their personal prejudice in exactly the same way you use the bible… You did ask the question. Which is what racists say about blacks, they are sinners defying God’s law Again exactly what racists say that they can extend love to (correctly behaving blacks) without having the government corrupt the word of God and granting blacks civil rights including legal recognition of interracial marriage. again no different form the rhetoric a racist would use to define marriage to justify discrimination[/color][/size][/font]
are you suggesting that only True Christians™ are those who agree with you?
and this is why it is an abomination to eat shellfish because God and his laws do not change
it is a sin to wear wedding rings because God and his laws do not change
it is a sin to allow people with glasses into a church because God and his laws do not change
it is a sin to wear clothing made of different fabrics because God and his laws do not change
the fact God does not change is why Christians make burnt offerings because God and his laws do not change
we keep slaves because God and his laws do not change
we force rape victims to marry their attacker because God and his laws do not change

that view being polygamous…right?

And when a racist claims he/she is just holding to God’s view of racial equality it must mean that they aren’t prejudice either…right?


You just vote for discrimination and to ensure they are second class citizens. Again how is this any different for a racist who votes against civil rights?

Once again, doing what you do best, putting words in my mouth. Your posts are so full of false garbage and useless diatribe I don't even know why I try getting through to you. Your mind is clearly made up; that I'm a racist, a homophobe, predudiced, discrimanatory, etc. Nothing I can say is good enough to even make you think (probably because you don't want to think, because you know that if you thought about what you were saying you'd come to the conclusion that it's nonsense).

So now you say that black people are black because they are sinners defying God's law? How idiotic! Then everyone except Jesus should be black. See the fallicy? And I never said anywhere, to anyone, that anyone should be a second class citizen, yet you say I want that.

I'm no longer going to entertain your posts with any thoughtful response, because you are not worth it. They say the average person uses 10% of their brain. You are not worth the miniscule space you've already managed to take up in my brain. I cannot debate against someone who makes up so much useless diatribe, senseless rhetoric, and false accusations. From this moment on, you will get, at best, a jovial quip. No more effort do I waste on you.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

You could rattle on about the subjective matter of defining normal for the next 8 pages, but I'll be nice and define it by my own standard.
I am normal.
I do not have sexual desires.
You all have sexual desires.
Therefore, you're all abnormal by my standard.

 

[KCKID]

You could rattle on about the subjective matter of defining normal for the next 8 pages, but I'll be nice and define it by my own standard.
I am normal.
I do not have sexual desires.
You all have sexual desires.
Therefore, you're all abnormal by my standard.

PREcisely!

 

[Inviolable]

Well, could you just introduce us to this 'mind-blowing' debating practice slowly in order to acclimatize us?

I believe thats what I was getting at. That I would do just that.
It didn't look that way?

Are you coming at this subject from a Christian or Bible perspective ...or what?

No other way then how I personally feel.

That's a fair question. I've often wondered WHAT IT IS that repulses someone of same gender preference about the act of sex with someone of the opposite gender. I don't mean to be crass but, to quote one of my university professors, "After all, a hole is a hole." Yes, I can understand someone not being especially interested in sex with someone of the opposite gender but I wonder why they are repulsed by the thought...? Of course, the same question could be asked of heterosexuals and their repulsion toward the thought of 'gay' sex.

Actually, as I've mentioned before, the act of sex PERIOD is a tad 'yukky' when you REALLY think about it. It isn't the most hygienic form of 'pleasure' regardless of who it's done with. I don't know where God's mind was at the day He invented sex. But then, where was God's mind at the day He created the duck-billed platypus, the giraffe, the camel, the elephant, the hippo . . . . . .?

Huh? Are you saying it's O.K. to be abnormal if it's normal to you?

Well, on the one hand a 'gay' person knows that they're 'gay' and, while it's not exactly 'normal', as you say, it's normal for THEM. Some come to terms with that fact. Some don't. And, society in general and Christianity specifically doesn't for the most part accept the fact that someone is 'gay'. So, for many It's a case of living in a world of pulling and shoving and, for some - even many - how CAN they possibly come to terms with something that can be most confusing to them?

Oh so, you are saying it's O.K. to be abnormal as long as it's normal to you.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Because we've been through that and it only took us a few sentences to say it. But then a few troubled bystandards came by and turned it into an 8 page side show. And now here you are again trying to define it once more and not really saying anything important.

It seems to me that your outlook toward homosexuals might be to acknowledge that you DON'T understand what human sexuality is all about and therefore just let it alone. You need not embrace homosexuality but you can live with it and accept it as being 'normal' relative to the individual in question. The sun will still rise tomorrow on a world whose general attitude seems to be, "I have to try to screw you before you try to screw me".

I'm pretty sure I understand what sexuality is all about and I still think homosexuality is abnormal, you were pretty general in just about everything you said. Kind of like a poet trying to express nothing.

You did at least hit on something that I said in the post you replied to.
So, that was good.
"I have to try to screw you before you try to screw me".

If not in a round about way.

Here you go, it means the same thing you said.
Quote myself here.
"People cant come to terms about anything unless there is an understanding."

Only I said it with out all the hate. Whats up with that? You a hateful person?
Or does screw you before you try to screw me mean something else entirely? Cause I'm with you there. It's like a screw contest. I totally get that. In all it's nastyness...

 

[FundamentalistJohn]

You could rattle on about the subjective matter of defining normal for the next 8 pages, but I'll be nice and define it by my own standard.
I am normal.
I do not have sexual desires.
You all have sexual desires.
Therefore, you're all abnormal by my standard.

Then by your definition pedophilia and bestiality are also normal.

By the way why does it matter if homosexuals are normal or not? (This question is not meant to be directly asked of our friend Ishida just in general)

 

[Caylin]

You should prolly read his post again where he said that anyone with any sexual desires was abnormal.

Just couldn't wait to get that shot off about pedophilia huh?

 

[Inviolable]

You should prolly read his post again where he said that anyone with any sexual desires was abnormal.

Just couldn't wait to get that shot off about pedophilia huh?

Huh?

 

[FundamentalistJohn]

You should prolly read his post again where he said that anyone with any sexual desires was abnormal.

Just couldn't wait to get that shot off about pedophilia huh?

No Caylin I am not taking shots. I am pointing at the fallacy of believing that something is "normal" just because it is inherent with an individual. I do not equate pedophiles and homosexuals. Homosexuals are not necessarily pedophiles just as pedophiles are not necessarily homosexuals. They are distinct, especially in that pedophilia involves victimization but homosexuality normally does not.

No where is it believed that pedophilia is normal, but it is mostly inherent in pedophiles thus if his contention that sexuality (or lack thereof) is normal for an individual because it is inherent to that individual then it must be accepted that this is true for all sexual desire.

It is just an argument from reason, not meant as a comparison.

 

[FundamentalistJohn]

Huh?

I think she was referring to my post. Some Christians believe there is some kind of link between homosexuality and pedophilia. Thus they thus they try to make their case against homosexuality based upon this misconception. From what I have read there is just a small margin of difference between homosexual pedophiles and heterosexual pedophiles, not really enough of a difference to indicate that either is more prone to pedophilia more than the other.

My guess is that she thought my comment was one of those trying to link the two. For the record it was not.

 

[Caylin]

I think she was referring to my post. Some Christians believe there is some kind of link between homosexuality and pedophilia. Thus they thus they try to make their case against homosexuality based upon this misconception. From what I have read there is just a small margin of difference between homosexual pedophiles and heterosexual pedophiles, not really enough of a difference to indicate that either is more prone to pedophilia more than the other.

My guess is that she thought my comment was one of those trying to link the two. For the record it was not.

Well, really the point I was trying to make was the poster you quoted said that anyone with a sex drive or sexual feelings was abnormal to him, so you saying that he thinks pedos are normal doesn't make a whole lot of sense.