Propitiation

[zoidar]

I don't.

The text in Hebrews 10:26 says if we are willfully of sinning. Because it is in the present tense and is a participle. This implies a present unconverted willful condition, a state of being.

And the text in first John 3:8 and 9 is stated in the present tense and it is also a participle. In other words it is a present state of being not something that happens on occasion. It is who that person is. They are unconverted and live in sin not mortifying the deeds of the Body that they should live

Sounds like a condition where you don't care you are sinning.

 

[Hammster]

Well, that's an interesting thought, just not fully sure what that means.

It means we treat it like other scripture. Who is the audience, and what is being communicated?

 

[Hammster]

Thank you I could not find it when I looked. I was using my phone though.

I see you have issue understanding what is in the rule. As stated, "Teaching that sinless perfection is required to be a follower of Christ is not allowed".
Never taught that it is required. We teach it is possible through Christ. And that Living in willful sin is an issue. Those who do such will not enter the Kingdom.

I’ll make sure the wording is updated. Thanks.

 

[zoidar]

It means we treat it like other scripture. Who is the audience, and what is being communicated?

“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell⁠—and great was its fall.”
— Matthew 7:24-27

So this only apply to the OC, that we need to act on Jesus words to be saved or we will be lost? What does it then say to NC Christians?

 

[HIM]

I’ll make sure the wording is updated. Thanks.

Really? Seems unprofessional and a spiteful abuse of authority. Even if you own the site that ain’t right.. But hey suit yourself. Maybe you will have me banned also; as I will do all can to ignore that, since I know how the change came about.

 

[Hammster]

“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell⁠—and great was its fall.”
— Matthew 7:24-27

So this only apply to the OC, that we need to act on Jesus words to be saved or we will be lost? What does it then say to NC Christians?

At the time He said it, there was no new covenant. So we treat it like any OT commands.

 

[HIM]

Sounds like a condition where you don't care you are sinning.

A falling away as Hebrews 6 speaks.

 

[zoidar]

At the time He said it, there was no new covenant. So we treat it like any OT commands.

Jesus says: "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them..." I have taken it as an universal truth, he speaks to everyone, also those who hear it today.

It's quite obvious Jesus believed those who heard could act on his words and those who did would be saved and those who didn't would not, or he would not have given the two examples of those who act and not act on his words.

 

[Hammster]

Jesus says: "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them..." I have taken it as an universal truth, he speaks to everyone, also those who hear it today.

It's quite obvious Jesus believed those who heard could act on his words and those who did would be saved and those who didn't would not, or he would not have given the two examples of those who act and not act on his words.

Do you always hear and obey?

 

[zoidar]

Do you always hear and obey?

No.

I'm just trying to be honest with Scripture.

 

[HIM]

No.

Keep the faith my friend. For He is faithful, and He promised.

I'm just trying to be honest with Scripture.

Good for you. To often we use ourselves and others as the standard. There is only One standard and that is our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus in whom we live, move and have our being. He is the standard to which the Word attests. For He is the Word manifested in the flesh and the first among many brethren.

 

[Hammster]

No.

I'm just trying to be honest with Scripture.

So are you building on the rock or on the sand?

 

[zoidar]

So are you building on the rock or on the sand?

Edited: I trust I build on rock.

 

[Hammster]

I trust on Christ forgiveness where I build on sand.

I build on the rock.

 

[zoidar]

I build on the rock.

I hope I do too! What I tried to say that came out wrong, was I am not perfect. You don't need to be perfect in following Christ to build on rock.

 

[Hammster]

I hope I do too! What I tried to say that came out wrong, was I am not perfect. You don't need to be perfect in following Christ to build on rock.

Not at all. We have His perfect life.

 

[zoidar]

Not at all. We have His perfect life.

... yes, as a sacrifice for our sins.

 

[David Lamb]

... yes, as a sacrifice for our sins.

Not just as a sacrifice for sins, but as perfect obedience to His heavenly Father, with which He clothes His people, pictured in Isaiah as a robe:

“I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, My soul shall be joyful in my God; For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, As a bridegroom decks [himself] with ornaments, And as a bride adorns [herself] with her jewels.” (Isa 61:10 NKJV)

Possibly Paul was referring to that verse when he wrote:

“and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which [is] from the law, but that which [is] through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;” (Php 3:9 NKJV)

 

[zoidar]

Not just as a sacrifice for sins, but as perfect obedience to His heavenly Father, with which He clothes His people, pictured in Isaiah as a robe:

“I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, My soul shall be joyful in my God; For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, As a bridegroom decks [himself] with ornaments, And as a bride adorns [herself] with her jewels.” (Isa 61:10 NKJV)

Possibly Paul was referring to that verse when he wrote:

“and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which [is] from the law, but that which [is] through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;” (Php 3:9 NKJV)

I understand it can be understood that way. I'm of the belief when you are forgiven everything you are clothed with white garments of righteousness. In this view being sinless is the same as being righteous. God bless!

 

[David Lamb]

I understand it can be understood that way. I'm of the belief when you are forgiven everything you are clothed with white garments of righteousness. In this view being sinless is the same as being righteous. God bless!

Yes, the white garments of Christ's perfect righteousness. Our own righteousness won't suffice, for as Isaiah says, even our righteousnesses are like filthy rags in God's sight.