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I have. Just as He (God) is holy, so you be holy. It is right there.
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I have. Just as He (God) is holy, so you be holy. It is right there.You are reading it as isolated words, where you should read the whole sentence and in context.
That is true as it says, but it's not true we are to possess all aspects of God's holiness, then you miss the point. The point is we are to be holy like God how we live.I have. Just as He (God) is holy, so you be holy. It is right there.
Peter sure wasn’t clear on that point.That is true as it says, but it's not true we are to possess all aspects of God's holiness, then you miss the point. The point is we are to be holy like God how we live.
In what sense do you think Peter means we are to be holy like God?Peter sure wasn’t clear on that point.
I’m going to take it at face value and say we are to be as holy (and as we’ve seen elsewhere) as perfect at God.In what sense do you think Peter means we are to be holy like God?
Ok, so Peter tells them to be like God which is only possible through having Christ perfect righteousness imputed to them?I’m going to take it at face value and say we are to be as holy (and as we’ve seen elsewhere) as perfect at God.
I can think of only one way to do that.
Unless you can think of another way.Ok, so Peter tells them to be like God which is only possible trough having Christ perfect righteousnes imputed to them?
I don't know what to say more than we read it differently.Unless you can think of another way.
Well, yeah. I take it at face value. You don’t.I don't know what to say more than we read it differently.
That's a great insight! Similarly, many theologians maintain that while fallen man is sinful, that doesn't mean that he's as bad he could possibly be, or "perfectly evil" to put it another way.I don't read that statement from Jesus shown in Matthew that way, and do not have a problem with it then. Be perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect, does not mean to me be perfect just as much as God is.
That raises two interesting questions in my mind -That's a great insight! Similarly, many theologians maintain that while fallen man is sinful, that doesn't mean that he's as bad he could possibly be, or "perfectly evil" to put it another way.
Those questions are inevitable. And the church dealt with them and other related questions centuries ago, incidentally. So let me ask you two as well. Can a believer sin wantonly, egregiously, persistently and expect to enter heaven? And why does Scripture spell out sins that will keep us from heaven?That raises two interesting questions in my mind -
1. How bad does one need to be to deserve eternity in the Lake of Fire?
2. How good does one need to be to deserve eternity in heaven with God?
It’s not a question of how bad someone is or how good someone is but how much do they love Christ and how does a person who loves Christ behave?That raises two interesting questions in my mind -
1. How bad does one need to be to deserve eternity in the Lake of Fire?
2. How good does one need to be to deserve eternity in heaven with God?
Please allow me to rephrase my questions, as follow -It’s not a question of how bad someone is or how good someone is but how much do they love Christ and how does a person who loves Christ behave?
As we all know, the responses to my questions vary significantly throughout the history of Christianity. For example, the monergism of Augustine is really quite unlike the synergism of contemporary forms of Christianity.Those questions are inevitable. And the church dealt with them and other related questions centuries ago, incidentally. So let me ask you two as well. Can a believer sin wantonly, egregiously, persistently and expect to enter heaven? And why does Scripture spell out sins that will keep us from heaven?
I would point to the jailer at Philippi. When he asked what he had to do to be saved, the reply was:Please allow me to rephrase my questions, as follow -
1. How much must one love Christ in order to be saved?
2. What behavior is required from a person in order to be saved?
Apparently according to Matthew 10 we must love Him quite a lot.Please allow me to rephrase my questions, as follow -
1. How much must one love Christ in order to be saved?
2. What behavior is required from a person in order to be saved?
I agree entirely. Thank you.I would point to the jailer at Philippi. When he asked what he had to do to be saved, the reply was:
“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.” (Ac 16:31 NKJV)
Not, "Love the Lord Jesus Christ to this extent," or "Behave in this way." Of course, having been saved, certain things will follow, including love for the Saviour, and change of behaviour:
“We love Him because He first loved us.” (1Jo 4:19 NKJV)
“For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:10 NKJV)
But love for Jesus and good works are results, not causes, of being saved.
How much is "quite a lot"? A close reading of the gospels indicates absolute and complete love for God with body, soul, and mind, not to mention possessions, yet in I Corinthians 13 Paul makes it explicit that even if one gives up his possessions to God (not to mention other forms of obedience) it is all quite in vain without love.Apparently according to Matthew 10 we must love Him quite a lot.
““He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.”
Matthew 10:37-39 NASB1995
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