Prophets?

[Anthony]

1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

not just forewarning. in the NT, even if it is a "forewarning", it shld still include "a way out" so that it is still unto "edification, and exhortation, and comfort.How can warnings from God to his people bring comfort??"

Warnings bring comfort in the clarity of knowing where one stands.

 

[superdave]

Anthony I agree that prophecy that is given to edify the church or a person. I also believe that God gives some people certain abilities to forsee things that are going to happen. Not just destructive events- but even how the spirit is going to move at that event. I dont think prophecy should ever be used the way Satan uses it- through astrology and other methods.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Quaffer

Your comment is right on point. The key to a prophetic statement is exactly as you stated:

as a forwarning from God

and I would add

to his people (plural)

The problem is today common psychic events, intuition, ESP is being claimed as prophetic.

And sad to say, many in the church are teaching the prophetic no longer exists and I believe that is why the psychic is the one most commonly seen today. Satan is a master at immatating and even when those in the church who operate prophetically do step up they are treated as if they are to operate the same as a psychic or else they are not believed.

I personally have found that God is not interested in talking about one's past and sending people who are dead to comfort, as the psychic pander in , but He is interested in one's future and always points to it.

I remember one word in particular to me one time from someone who did not know me. He said, "God is showing me that there was a wall. . .and that's the point, there "was" a wall. But He's broken that wall down and you are no longer held back by it." I knew exactly what that wall had been but God did not want to talk about the wall that was no longer there, He wanted to talk about what was available to me now that the wall was down. . .the future, not the past.

Quaffer

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

not just forewarning. in the NT, even if it is a "forewarning", it shld still include "a way out" so that it is still unto "edification, and exhortation, and comfort.How can warnings from God to his people bring comfort??"

Andrew,

To the prayer warrior, a forwarning would be the knowledge of how to pray. I believe that just because something is forwarned does not mean that it cannot be changed by prayer. Who know's how many dissasters have been diverted due to a prayer warrior seeing it in the spirit first and then praying.

Unfortionately, I believe many in the church who have this gift don't know what to do with it and spend it instead on worrying and fretting instead of doing warfare in the heavenly's.

 

[Andrew]

Warnings bring comfort in the clarity of knowing where one stands.

So if God tells your church that a big tornado is coming to town tomorrow, everyone who hears the prophecy is comforted, exhorted and goes home edified??? How can this be unless God also shows the way out or what to do.

Andrew,

To the prayer warrior, a forwarning would be the knowledge of how to pray. I believe that just because something is forwarned does not mean that it cannot be changed by prayer. Who know's how many dissasters have been diverted due to a prayer warrior seeing it in the spirit first and then praying.

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Quaffie,

Then that is not so much prophesying but word of knowledge in operation.

A prophet who has exercised the gift of knowledge many times but who is called into the prophesying ministry, once preached that the Word of Knowledge is the 'diagnosis' i.e. God tells you what's wrong. eg "...someone here has cancer, in the liver, doctor told you yesterday that you have 6 mths to live..."

But what's the use of being told that (something you already know) if a divine 'solution/way out' is not provided thereafter?

IOW, this prophet (sorry I forgot his name) taught that with the 'diagnosis' shld come the 'solution' -- ie prophesying to the same person something like "...do not fear, only believe, you shall live and not die, the number of your days He will fulfill..." -- bringing him comfort, exhortation and edification. The alternative wld be the Word of Wisdom -- God tells you HOW to get out of the situation.

The point I'm trying to put across is that there are many so called "doom-and-gloom" prophecies today. ie Prophets who tell the church that becos of sin, God's gonna wack some city or nation with an earthquake or a flood or a tornado. There was one such prophecy circulated in Singapore via email not too long ago.

The prophet said something like becos Singapore was too spoilt with wealth, there was going to be an earthquake at such a place at such a time. It caused quite a stir in many churches here and the local papers even picked it up. Well, nothing happened.

Point is, I reject such 'prophecies' straight away becos they contradict scripture. Firstly, we are in the dispensation of grace and God is not holding our sins against us. So, to say that God is going to punish beco of sin is a clear sign its not God.

Secondly, the prophecy does not comfort, exhort or edify but brought much fear and panick to the churches here. At least it should have provided a way of escape.

Again, I'm simply stating that NT prophesying in the church today should be "unto comfort, exhortation and edification." Thatis how we should first judge the prophecy. Does it comfort, exhort, edify?

 

[Hobo No More]

Edify: To instruct especially so as to encourage intellectual, moral, or spiritual improvement.

God warning you of an event would edify you because God has talked to you. I my self would be edified and have been edified when God speaks to me.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

So if God tells your church that a big tornado is coming to town tomorrow, everyone who hears the prophecy is comforted, exhorted and goes home edified??? How can this be unless God also shows the way out or what to do.



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Quaffie,

Then that is not so much prophesying but word of knowledge in operation.

A prophet who has exercised the gift of knowledge many times but who is called into the prophesying ministry, once preached that the Word of Knowledge is the 'diagnosis' i.e. God tells you what's wrong. eg "...someone here has cancer, in the liver, doctor told you yesterday that you have 6 mths to live..."

But what's the use of being told that (something you already know) if a divine 'solution/way out' is not provided thereafter?

IOW, this prophet (sorry I forgot his name) taught that with the 'diagnosis' shld come the 'solution' -- ie prophesying to the same person something like "...do not fear, only believe, you shall live and not die, the number of your days He will fulfill..." -- bringing him comfort, exhortation and edification. The alternative wld be the Word of Wisdom -- God tells you HOW to get out of the situation.

The point I'm trying to put across is that there are many so called "doom-and-gloom" prophecies today. ie Prophets who tell the church that becos of sin, God's gonna wack some city or nation with an earthquake or a flood or a tornado. There was one such prophecy circulated in Singapore via email not too long ago.

The prophet said something like becos Singapore was too spoilt with wealth, there was going to be an earthquake at such a place at such a time. It caused quite a stir in many churches here and the local papers even picked it up. Well, nothing happened.

Point is, I reject such 'prophecies' straight away becos they contradict scripture. Firstly, we are in the dispensation of grace and God is not holding our sins against us. So, to say that God is going to punish beco of sin is a clear sign its not God.

Secondly, the prophecy does not comfort, exhort or edify but brought much fear and panick to the churches here. At least it should have provided a way of escape.

Again, I'm simply stating that NT prophesying in the church today should be "unto comfort, exhortation and edification." Thatis how we should first judge the prophecy. Does it comfort, exhort, edify?

OK Andrew, I see where you're coming from.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Edify: To instruct especially so as to encourage intellectual, moral, or spiritual improvement.

God warning you of an event would edify you because God has talked to you. I my self would be edified and have been edified when God speaks to me.

Edification is not being puffed up in pride for the fact that one is able to hear God. Edification in the Spirit rhelm is God speaking to one and encouraging them in their walk with Him. Exhorting would be correction w/edification of encouragement and direction as to how to accomplish what one has just been exhorted for.

 

[Anthony]

So if God tells your church that a big tornado is coming to town tomorrow, everyone who hears the prophecy is comforted, exhorted and goes home edified??? How can this be unless God also shows the way out or what to do.

That is not Prophecy.

 

[Ecclesiastes]

The Gift of Prophecy is not what most people think. Prophecy is for exhortation, edification, and comfort. These are words straight from God through the speaker. (1 Cor 14:3)

The Word of Wisdom is the gift that shows the future and where God gives you words concerning the future and so on and things along that line. The Word of Wisdom is one of the core gifts that acts in some one who holds the office of the Prophet.

The best teacher I have ever heard on this subject is Kenneth E. Hagin. He has several books out and I suggest that anybody who wants to learn about this subject to get one. One book is the Holy SPirit & His Gifts. Dad Hagin talks about the gifts and details and gives examples from his over 60 years of ministry and how God used those gifts in his life. If you have any questions or want further detail ask and I'll post it.

 

[Anthony]

The best teacher I have ever heard on this subject is Kenneth E. Hagin. He has several books out and I suggest that anybody who wants to learn about this subject to get one. One book is the Holy SPirit & His Gifts. Dad Hagin talks about the gifts and details and gives examples from his over 60 years of ministry and how God used those gifts in his life. If you have any questions or want further detail ask and I'll post it.

I wouldn't call Kenneth Hagin the best teacher.

He claims on several occassion to have been with Jesus Christ.

Hagin claims to have had a conversation with Jesus on casting out demons, when suddenly a demon monkey jumps between them and begins to drown out Jesus' words by yelling.

Finally after time had passed, Hagin takes control of the situation by telling the demon to "shut up in the name of Jesus". Jesus, no doubt relieved, tells Hagin that "if you hadn't done something about that, I couldn't have"

Hagin was in the middle of a sermon when instantly he was transported back in time to a little town 15 miles from the church where he was preaching.

Hagin claims that Jesus appeared to him in 1950 and gave him a special anointing to minister to the sick. During the encounter Jesus speaks to Hagin in King James English, telling Hagin to "stretch forth thine hand". Jesus then stretches out His own hand so that Hagin can look into them.

These are just a few of his stories which he claims and writes about in his books and booklets


They tested the claims of the Apostle Paul, Hagin should be tested as well

AC 17:11-12
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Anthony,

Are you able to post these supposed statements in complete context or are these statements that you have just heard someone else say was said? I'd really like to know where the books and pamplets are that I could read them in full context. And this thread is not about Hagen anyway. . .it's asking about prophets. So if you would respond to me via PM I'd really appreciate it. Thanks

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Edited because I hit the wrg button I hit quote instead of edit

 

[1John5:3]

WHAT DID GOD SAY ABOUT THE GIFT OF PROPHECY?

BIBLE FACT—The gift of prophecy is a blessing from God to mankind, and it will remain in the church until the final unifying of the faith:

Ephesians 4:11—13 — "And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature, of the fulness of Christ."

BIBLE FACT—Paul compares the church to the body; the various parts of which are parts of the body:

1 Corinthians 12:1—17,28 —"Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. . Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another prophecy. . But all these worketh that one and the self same Spirit, dividing to every man severally as He will. For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body. . For the body is not one member, but many. .And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers."

BIBLE FACT—The prophets are the eyes of this spiritual body:

1 Samuel 9:9 —Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer; for he that is now called a Prophet [speaker for God] was beforetime called a Seer [see-er for God]." (Compare Luke 11:34 and Proverbs 29:18.)

WILL THERE BE PROPHETS IN THE LAST DAYS?

BIBLE FACT—The apostle Peter predicted that there would be prophets in the last days:

Acts 2:17,18 "And it shall come to pass in the last days saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And an My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy," (This statement is based on a prediction in the old Testament by Joel [Joel 2:28.])

BIBLE FACT —The warning that Christ gave against false prophets indicates that there will also be true ones. Satan can use counterfeits to divert attention from the genuine:

Matthew 7:15— "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. "

BIBLE FACT—God's law and God's prophets tend to be found together "lf His people do not obey His law, then they will not have the guidance of His prophet:

Lamentations 2:9—"The law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the Lord. "

Ezekiel 7:26—"Then shall they seek a vision of the prophet but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients." (Compare 20:3,12,13-16.)

Jeremiah 26:4-6 —"Thus saith the Lord: If ye will not hearken to Me, to walk in My law, which I have set before you, To hearken to the words of My servants the prophets, whom I sent onto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened; Then will I make this house like Shiloh, and will make of this city a curse to all the nations of the earth. "

Proverbs 29:18 —"Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he."

BIBLE FACT — The true church, just before Jesus returns, will again have the gift of prophecy, because it keeps the law of God by faith in Christ:

Revelation 12:17—"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Revelation 19:10—"For the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy."

BIBLE FACT—Just before Christ's return, His people will again be obeying His moral law through His empowering grace:

Revelation 14:12-14—"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. . And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud One sat like unto the Son of man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. "

 

[1John5:3]

HOW DOES PROPHECY COME TO US?

BIBLE FACT ..,.It comes to us from God through His prophets:

2 Peter 1 :21—"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

— Revelation 1:1-2—"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto. Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. "

WHAT ARE THE MARKS OF A TRUE PROPHET?

BIBLE FACT —A true prophet will speak in harmony with the Bible:

Isaiah 8:20—"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Deuteronomy 13:1-3—"If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul."

BIBLE FACT—A true prophet will exalt God and Christ rather than himself:

Jeremiah 1:4-9 —"Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. But the Lord said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak. Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the Lord. Then the Lord put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the Lord said unto me, Behold," I have put My words in thy mouth. "

2 Corinthians 10: 5— "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. "

BIBLE FACT —A true prophet will reprove men of sin:

Ezekiel 3:17-19—"Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at My mouth, and give them warning from Me. When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wIcked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul."

BIBLE FACT —A true prophet will emphasize the necessity of Jesus in the heart:

1 John 4: 1-3 — "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: — And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is the spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. "

BIBLE FACT —A true prophet will live a godly life and will produce good fruit:

Matthew 7:15-20 —"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. . Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. "

BIBLE FACT — The predictions of a true prophet will come to pass:

Deuteronomy 18:21-22 —"And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

Jeremiah 28:9—"The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the Lord hath truly sent him"

BIBLE FACT —A true prophet will have visions and dreams:

Numbers 12:6 "And he said, Hear now My words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make Myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak to him in a dream."

BIBLE FACT—Both men and Women can be called as prophets of God:

Examples of men who were called to be prophets:

Enoch (Jude 14), Moses (Exodus 3:9-10), Elijah (1 Kings 17: 1-3), John the Baptist (Luke 1: 13-17), John the Revelator (Revela­tion 1:10).

Examples of women who were called to be prophets:

Miriam (Exodus 15:20), Deborah (Judges 4:4), Huldah (2 Kings 22: 14), Anna (Luke 2:36). Philip's daughters_(Acts 21:9).

BIBLE FACT—The weakest of the weak may be called to this work:

1 Corinthians 1:27,29—"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise," and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; .. That no, flesh should glory in his presence."

2 Corinthians 12:9 —"And He said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for My strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me:" (Also 13:4.)

 

[1John5:3]

WHAT ARE THE TESTS OF A TRUE PROPHET?

BIBLE FACT—We are commanded not to despise prophets, but to test them:

1 Thessalonians 5:20-21—"Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things, hold fast that which is good." (1 John 4:1.)

BIBLE FACT —We must test them by the Word of God:

Isaiah 8:20—"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

BIBLE FACT—While in vision, a prophet has no breath, and his natural strength is gone until the angel strengthens him:

Daniel 10:17.18—"As for me, straightway there remained' no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me. Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and strengthened me."

BIBLE FACT—While in vision, a prophet can nevertheless speak:

Daniel 10:15,16— And when he [the angel] had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb [unable to speak]. And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake."

BIBLE FACT —While in vision, a prophet keeps his eyes open:

Numbers 24:16—"He hath said, which heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the most High, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open."

BIBLE FACT—While in vision, a prophet is unconscious of his surroundings:

2 Corinthians 12:2,4—"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one caught up to the third heaven. . How that He was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

HOW DOES THE GIFT OF PROPHECY HELP US?

BIBLE FACT—The abiding gift of prophecy provides counsel and guidance before a crisis:

Noah was sent with warnings before the Flood came—Genesis 6:9-17. Moses was sent to lead the people pf God out of Egypt—Exodus 3:4-12; 4:10-16; Deuteronomy 4:10-12. Elijah called men back to obedience to God and warned of judg­ments because they refused to render obedience—1 Kings 17: 1; 18:20-41; 2 Kings 2: 11-13. John the Baptist called all men to repentance and announced the soon coming of Christ—Mark 1: 2-5; Luke 7:28.

BIBLE FACT—The messages of the prophet bring comfort and encouragement to the people of God:

2 Peter 1:19 —"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts. "

1 Corinthians 14:3 —"He that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. "

BIBLE FACT—It is only as the people heed the words that God sends them through the prophet that they can have truest success:

2 Chronicles 20:20—"Believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established; believe His prophets, so shall ye prosper. "

BIBLE FACT—The counsel of the true prophet protects from unbiblical errors and enables the people of God to obey His Written Word:

Ephesians 4: 11-16— "And He gave. . prophets for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ. That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro,' and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby, they lie in wait to deceive."

BIBLE FACT—We may expect the prophetic gift among the remnant of the true church; down in the time of the end:

Revelation 12:17—"And the dragon [Satan, through his own agencies] was wroth with the woman [the true church], and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. "

Revelation 19: 1 0— "The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. "

 

[Andrew]

Are you able to post these supposed statements in complete context or are these statements that you have just heard someone else say was said? I'd really like to know where the books and pamplets are that I could read them in full context. And this thread is not about Hagen anyway. . .it's asking about prophets. So if you would respond to me via PM I'd really appreciate it. Thanks

Hi Quaffer,

One of the most controversial books that Hagin produced was this one called "I Believe in Visions".

The book is controversial becos Hagin relates the several experiences (quite a few in his lifetime) where Jesus actually appeared to him and spoke with him and taught him on subjects such as the gifts of the Spirit, how the Spirit leads, demons, and so on.

He also relates his salvation experience (how he went to hell and back 2 or 3 times), his miraculous healing, and his baptism in the Holy Spirit.

I have the book. Personally, i do not find anything wrong with what he teaches in the book. The only thing I couldnt agree with was the teaching that salvation can be lost for Spirit-filled Christians.

He also talks about these encounters in another book called Triumphant Church, which I highly recommend to anyone interested in demonology.

The first book is controversial becos people gen dont believe that Jesus can or will appear to you to tell you certain things. But it must be noted that in all the visions and encounters with Jesus described, Jesus gives scriptural references to back up whatever He is teaching.

Kenneth Hagin himself is very particular about this. He says that if there's no scripture proof, he wld reject the vision himself, no matter how real or awesome the vision is. And this is what he himself told Jesus during his encounters with Jesus, which is why Jesus wld give him more than 3 scripture verses to back up what was being taught.

I have learned a tremendous amount about faith, healing, demons, etc from Hagin's books and am indebted to him. You could say I cut my spiritual teeth on his books. To me his one of the best, and I like his style of writing becos he gets to the point and provides ample scripture proof -- straight to the point, nothing philisophical or mystical.

 

[Anthony]

One of Hagins meetings with Jesus Christ, is his book "I Believe in Visions" pg 51

During this incredible encounter, Jesus Christ speaks in King James English, tells Hagin to "stretch forth thine hand". Jesus then stretches out His own hands so that Hagin can look into them. "For some reason", remarks Hagin, "I expected to see a scar where the nail had pierced His Flesh and had since grown together. I should have known better, but many times we get ideas that are not really Scriptual, yet they are accepted beliefs. I saw in the palms of His hands the wounds of the cruxifixion - three cornered, jagged holes. Each hole was large enough so that I could put my finger in it. I could see light on the other side of hole"

What is interesting is that Jesus could never have shown Hagin the alleged holes in His palms. As any student of Scripture and history knows, the nails were driven through Christ's wrists as opposed to his His palms.

 

[Anthony]

Also if Jesus can appear to Kenneth Hagin, then he can appear to Joseph Smith

 

[Andrew]

Why can't Jesus appear to Christians today? He has appeared to other men of God too. eg Smith Wigglesworth. I do not recall any scripture that says that it is forbidden for Jesus to appear to Christians, whether in vision or in dreams or in real form....

During this incredible encounter, Jesus Christ speaks in King James English

What's wrong with that? If I'm Korean and am used to reading a Korean Bible and Jesus appears to me and speaks in Korean, is that wrong? Do you expect him to speak Aramaic and then translate for you?

And which verse tells us that it is his wrists?