Prophetic practice thread

spiritlead · Sep 12, 2007

Hisgirl said:
For surely I AM beautiful for every situation.
Is that an amazing quote or what? What you said confirms what I've been hearing. One particular situation, God has been telling me to ask for SPECIFICALLY what I want down to the tiniest detail and whoa nellie have I ever hestitated! So thank you for that confirmation.

As for young people being involved....yes, there is one situation where I have been pondering something that does involve young people. Are you inclined to add to what you first said?

Praise the Lord, Hisgirl! Thanks for the encouraging feedback.

I had a strong sense that their were young people and i will be asking the Lord about it, and will post if i hear anything

Be blessed my sister

Yekcidmij · Sep 12, 2007

Oscarr said:
If a word of prophecy is going to be accurate, then it is the person receiving it who makes that determination based on how that word registers with him or her. A word can be given which doesn't mean a tin of fish to everyone except just one person who receives a witness in the spirit that the word is appropriate for him or her.

This is not a valid method of determining truth or accuracy.

Hey, how much do you really know about the prophetic? These questions seem to be coming from someone who knows very little about it.

Enough.

If you mean the people who listened to Jesus, I think that they accepted His teaching just the same as they would any other rabbi. They must have known that what He was saying was special because of the miracles they witnessed, and the authority with which He taught.

Exactly.

This is why Paul taught that prophecy had to be judged by others experienced in the prophetic.

Earlier you said it was to be judged by the person receiving it.

The reason why the prophetic words in the Bible were accurate is that somehow the voice of God came quite clearly to the OT prophets. The book of Hebrews says that in times past God spoke through His prophets. This clearly shows that God spoke directly through the OT prophets. But in New Testament times, God does not speak directly in the same way through the gift of of prophecy. NT prophecy is for a different purpose. I have covered this comprehensively in previous posts, and I think that you should go back and read them to see more of what I believe about prophecy.

I know what you have said in previous posts, and I disagree with you.

And this is why:

No, I am not going to show you any biblical references.

As I have said before, it is the person receiving the prophecy who determines whether it is accurate and appropriate, or whether it should be safely ignored.

But you said above that it was to be judged by others gifted in prophecy...I'm confused.

The Holy Spirit works in a different way in the New Covenant than He did in the Old Covenant.

But you won't give scripture. OK. Got it.

A person in the office of prophet in the OT had to be accurate. This was a requirement of the office. There is plenty of teaching on that in the OT.

But still no scripture where the standards of a prophet have changed.

Therefore, if Jesus was not crucified for their sins yet, nor had He risen from the dead, there was no way they could be made alive in their spirit. This is why they had to have all the external rituals and sacrifices to keep them okay with God.

And I say that those rituals and sacrifices displayed their faith. Their faith in what had been revealed to them is what made them OK with God. Abrahams faith made him righteous (from somewhere in Hebrews I think). That's a different topic though.

cory533 · Sep 12, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
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When are we to base guidance from the Holy Spirit on our feelings? Or where are we told this? Or why would one base guidance from Him on our feelings?

i beleive it is in John 10 where Jesus says "my sheep will know my voice..."
We have to hear his voice to know it. I personaly have only heard his out loud voice once. I hear the still small voice daily But it takes time to get to know when it is His voice and not the deceiver or my own thoughts. A part of how I know is how it feels not how it sounds because there is no sound. Often times in my expirience There also is no words it is just a kernal of thought. Even when I heard his outloud voice there was only one word "PEACE" but it conveyed much more. If I received a prohpesey in that voice I know I could quote it verbatim at least the actual words spoken with no confusion no chance of mistake. I beleive that was the old testament model. and may sometimes still be used today but that is external it is not part of the indwelling of the spirit. When I hear the still small voice it is more open to translation in my feeble mind. I also have seen prophesey delivered in the form of tounges where the speaker does not necessarily know what they have said utill after they speak. I would expect that to also be by necessity more specific and acurate as the direct speach of the Holy Spirit.

Yekcidmij · Sep 12, 2007

cory533 said:
i beleive it is in John 10 where Jesus says "my sheep will know my voice..."

In context, this is referring to salvation. Those who will be saved hear his voice, aka the gospel, and respond by placing faith in Christ. The whole passage of John 10 is about salvation, not being in tune to hearing God's voice and prophecy.

cory533 · Sep 13, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
In context, this is referring to salvation. Those who will be saved hear his voice, aka the gospel, and respond by placing faith in Christ. The whole passage of John 10 is about salvation, not being in tune to hearing God's voice and prophecy.

Where in the scripture does it say that the sheep will know the Gospel? It says we will know his voice not his word. I would say it is about salvation but it is about knowing his voice. how will we know it? By listening. How do we know who's voice it is ? I say by testing it and to test it comes prophesey, words of knowlege, and other related gifts that can be tried for truth accuracy and adherence to scripture.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 13, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
This is not a valid method of determining truth or accuracy.

Something happened today that proves that you need to go to the Lord and re-evaluate your position on the prophetic.

I was asked to give a word to a person this morning. I had just got out of bed and was preparing my breakfast when I turned on my computer and saw the request by PM.

I asked the Lord for a word for her, and was interrupted in my prayer by the opening statement of the prophecy. I said, "Right, Lord, let's go." I typed the opening statement, and then the flow of thought started. I typed until I sensed the end of the word. I felt nothing. Some of the things I typed I doubted in my mind - either they were going to be absolutely true or way off base, because they were specific in nature, and not generic. This prophecy could only apply to the person I gave it to. It was either going to be completely right or completely wrong.

When she came back to me, the prophecy proved to be so completely accurate that we are both praising God for His grace. She had definite issues, and she had a set of questions she had written down before she asked for the word. All those questions were answered in the word I gave. I had absolutely no way of knowing what those questions were, but the Holy Spirit knew and He used me to speak to her with words of assurance over what was going on in her life and family.

To me, this is an absolute and undeniable vindication of the things I have been teaching about the prophetic. It proves beyond doubt that it is the person receiving the prophecy who determines whether it is the voice of the Holy Spirit to them or not.

You see, when God Himself vindicates by a demonstration of His prophetic word, all you can do is to humble yourself before the Lord and to repent of your foolish words that were said in ignorance of the way the Lord works through the prophetic.

When you start criticising people who are used of God, and limiting the Holy Spirit to your narrow view on how He should operate, He can quite easily turn your counsel into foolishness before everyone on this forum, just to show that you cannot make light of the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

AFinChrist · Sep 13, 2007

Originally Posted by AFinChrist
I think I heard an angel tell me to come to you for a word.

So, if you could pray for me?

{I'm a bit curious why the angel couldn't tell me himself.}

Thank you,
Anne

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(I know why the angel wanted to use you now)

I've posted in RED. ~ AFinChrist

originally posted by Oscarr
Well, you have the drop on me there... That's the first time that I have had that experience where an angel has told someone to come to me for a word. This is especially spooky since my last post on the forum was a plea for people not to put me on a pedestal and put their trust in me too much. However, I will ask the Lord for a word and see what happens.

Are you ready for this? The angel gave me more words on what you wrote. So no, not spooky just following the Lord. Sometimes, out of the box.
Thank you for being obedient.

For the promises of God are 'yes' and 'let it be' to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after their natural minds and inclinations but after the Spirit.

This is the way the promises of God toward us can be fulfilled; that we walk in the light as Jesus is in the light. In fact, He is the light of our life. On the mount of transfiguration the voice came from Heaven: "This is My beloved Son, hear Him." It is also said that in times past God spoke through his servants and His prophets but in these last days He speaks through His Son. Therefore the words of Jesus are vitally important when we are mapping out our future.

Jesus also told us not to say that tomorrow we are going to go to such and such a place and do such and such a thing because we do not know what tomorrow will bring forth.
The man who built bigger barns to contain his wealth did not realise that his tomorrow many never come. Jesus said of him: "You fool, this very night your soul will be required of you."

Therefore, as you plan your future, realise that with all your planning and devising, it is the Lord who will direct your steps. Therefore do not be surprised when your planning goes wrong, and you are led in directions you did not prepare for. Do not think that you have made a mistake or that you have sinned when these things happen to you.
Believe that even though you plan your way, it is the Lord who will finally determine the way you will walk.

Therefore, as you trust Him for your future, be prepared for the unexpected. As the Jews who ate the passover; they had to be dressed in their travelling clothes with their packs on their backs and their walking staffs in their hands in readiness for an immediate journey if called upon. This is because in Egypt at the first passover, those ones had to be ready to move out at very short notice if they were to escape from Pharoah.

Therefore, plan your way, but be prepared for your plans to be laid aside and your direction change. But be assured of this, when unexpected things happen and your planning becomes of no effect, that the Lord knows the way you take, and even though you may be sailing through uncharted waters, He has the helm of your life and will keep you from all harm and disaster.

Therefore the word is: Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not to your own understanding, and He will direct your paths.

These words mean more to me than you can imagine. I have been planning my year. Planning for the children, even painting their rooms, getting the house ready for another 5years of "growth".
Removing Cinderella murals etc.
I had plans to build in our backyard...
Plans for orchestra, plans for bible study, plans for a local healing ministry...

I wrote a list of questions last night and was waiting on the Lord for answers.

A year ago, I had visions of moving but my husband found a new job here close to town. I put that "vision on the shelf".
Also I've heard Prov 3:5 for 2 years now.

Praise God...He is soooo AWESOME.

Yekcidmij · Sep 13, 2007

Oscarr said:
When you start criticising people who are used of God,

I don't criticize people who hear directly from God and prophecy. I question everyone who claims to hear directly from God and be a prophet though. So, prove it to me.

and limiting the Holy Spirit to your narrow view on how He should operate,

I hardly think anything I do can limit God.

He can quite easily turn your counsel into foolishness before everyone on this forum,

I guess I'm a gambler.

just to show that you cannot make light of the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

I don't make light of the Holy Spirit. That's my whole point.

Eurasia · Sep 13, 2007

Just wondering, if anyone has a word for me with regards to teaching?

Heartland · Sep 13, 2007

Hisgirl said:
I'm enjoying seeing many of you step out. I pray the Lord will use your mouth as a vessel to share His word. I have a situation that has arisen and I am curious about any words folks here may hear.

Looking forward to this!

This is very strange, but I think I have a word for your husband, not you. As pertains to his work, tell him "not to ring the bell" or "not to ring the bell yet". I don't know really what it means, but my thoughts were about either whistle blowing, or maybe job change? If it doesn't apply please just ignore it, but it was such a strong impression that I had to say something even though it sounds so strange.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 13, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
I don't criticize people who hear directly from God and prophecy. I question everyone who claims to hear directly from God and be a prophet though. So, prove it to me.

I don't think I need to prove anything to you. I don't, and never have, claimed to be a prophet. That is not my ministry in the body of Christ. I have had my ministry confirmed to me in the prophetic by a number of different people, and I assure you that it is not the office of a prophet.

From my understanding of a prophet's ministry, it is the function of being able to give direction to the church using the prophetic. It is more with giving prophetic words that shape the general direction of the church in its ministry. Therefore, if in a region, the Lord wants to use the church in effective evangelism and is going to bring an outpouring of the Spirit where thousands in that region are going to be saved, the prophet will prophesy in a way that will prepare the church for that event.

So the prophet will be getting words from the Lord that will prepare it for future events that the Lord has planned on His calendar. Another example would be if the church in a region was going to come under intense persecution. The prophet would warn of it and give words that will prepare the people for it.

The words of the Apostle John in Revelation about the state of different regional churches were more in line with what a prophet would give - giving information from the Lord about the spiritual state of a church and how it might correct itself so it can continue to function in the Spirit.

Therefore, you can see that my prophetic gift is not in that league. My prophecies are personal, devotional and pastoral - directed toward specific people whom the Lord wants to minister to. This is not the office of a prophet. It is more in line with the ministry of a pastor or a teacher. I never claimed to be a pastor or a teacher - I was told by the prophetic word that I was, and the group I am associated with have fully accepted that.

Therefore I don't have to prove my ministry to anyone, and the Scriptures referring to OT prophets don't apply to my ministry. If anyone develop confidence in my ministry to them, it is because they have developed confidence in the voice of the Holy Spirit that comes through to word to them. This is a personal perception and choice on their part and has nothing to do with what I might claim to be.

millerrod · Sep 13, 2007

spiritlead · Sep 13, 2007

Heartland said:
This is very strange, but I think I have a word for your husband, not you. As pertains to his work, tell him "not to ring the bell" or "not to ring the bell yet". I don't know really what it means, but my thoughts were about either whistle blowing, or maybe job change? If it doesn't apply please just ignore it, but it was such a strong impression that I had to say something even though it sounds so strange.

Heartland, if you get anything for me, don't hesitate,

Blessing to you

Heartland · Sep 13, 2007

spiritlead said:
Heartland, if you get anything for me, don't hesitate,

Blessing to you

I will. That other one was odd. I had a dream about a husband and wife, and the husband was climbing a short ladder reaching up to ring a bell. Like an old church bell with the clapper thing. My sense of it was that he wasn't suppose to ring it, at least not yet anyway. It was so odd that I wasn't going to say anything about it, but God just kept bugging me about it...LOL

Yekcidmij · Sep 13, 2007

Oscarr said:
I don't think I need to prove anything to you. I don't, and never have, claimed to be a prophet. That is not my ministry in the body of Christ. I have had my ministry confirmed to me in the prophetic by a number of different people, and I assure you that it is not the office of a prophet.

From my understanding of a prophet's ministry, it is the function of being able to give direction to the church using the prophetic. It is more with giving prophetic words that shape the general direction of the church in its ministry. Therefore, if in a region, the Lord wants to use the church in effective evangelism and is going to bring an outpouring of the Spirit where thousands in that region are going to be saved, the prophet will prophesy in a way that will prepare the church for that event.

So the prophet will be getting words from the Lord that will prepare it for future events that the Lord has planned on His calendar. Another example would be if the church in a region was going to come under intense persecution. The prophet would warn of it and give words that will prepare the people for it.

The words of the Apostle John in Revelation about the state of different regional churches were more in line with what a prophet would give - giving information from the Lord about the spiritual state of a church and how it might correct itself so it can continue to function in the Spirit.

Therefore, you can see that my prophetic gift is not in that league. My prophecies are personal, devotional and pastoral - directed toward specific people whom the Lord wants to minister to. This is not the office of a prophet. It is more in line with the ministry of a pastor or a teacher. I never claimed to be a pastor or a teacher - I was told by the prophetic word that I was, and the group I am associated with have fully accepted that.

Therefore I don't have to prove my ministry to anyone, and the Scriptures referring to OT prophets don't apply to my ministry. If anyone develop confidence in my ministry to them, it is because they have developed confidence in the voice of the Holy Spirit that comes through to word to them. This is a personal perception and choice on their part and has nothing to do with what I might claim to be.

Hmmmm...........

I'm thinking.

spiritlead · Sep 13, 2007

Heartland said:
I will. That other one was odd. I had a dream about a husband and wife, and the husband was climbing a short ladder reaching up to ring a bell. Like an old church bell with the clapper thing. My sense of it was that he wasn't suppose to ring it, at least not yet anyway. It was so odd that I wasn't going to say anything about it, but God just kept bugging me about it...LOL

Oh, That is so right on brother, He is really getting her ready, And it really helps me to continue and be patient

Thank you so much

Yekcidmij · Sep 13, 2007

OK.....I'm going to walk through some things one post at a time if you'll bear with me Oscar and tell me what you think:

1) Prophecies in the church today are only human words and not equivalent to scripture, not equivalent to Gods words in authority, and not God's words directly. In other words, prophecy in the church today is not God's very words as scripture, for example, would be.

So, if someone really does think God is bringing something to mind it would be more helpful if they qualified it by saying "I think the Lord is telling me", or something along those lines, rather than the more forceful "thus says the Lord" or making it appear as if God is talking directly as He would through a prophet or apostle.

Would you agree?

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 13, 2007

Yekcidmij said:
Hmmmm...........

I'm thinking.

Now that's an achievement! You haven't got an immediate answer...

Hey, I noticed that on the other thread about when a person receives the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that you agreed with my position. So we do agree on some things!!

Yekcidmij · Sep 13, 2007

2) Would you say that Paul teaches that God could bring something to mind spontaneously so the person prophecying could put it in their own words? So this revelation could be used in a broader sense of communication from God that does not result in scriptural authority. So maybe it could be something like a sense of something brought to mind that might be different from someones train of thoughts, or a sense of urgency for the person giving the prophecy, or just a general sense that it is from the Lord. It could be used as a sign for the congregation.

That was kind of a question.

Yekcidmij · Sep 13, 2007

Oscarr said:
Now that's an achievement! You haven't got an immediate answer...

Hey, I noticed that on the other thread about when a person receives the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that you agreed with my position. So we do agree on some things!!

I'm always thinking....I'm just stubborn, as that's part of what's required by what I do for a living.

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