Prophesy

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Hey guys!!! I put something in our conversation box....almost put it here but the Holy Spirit put a big Whoa on that and said move it.

Very wise. You avoided stepping on a mine!

 

[Hidden In Him]

Ok, bud. I'm back and able to get to this again.

I suspect that you are still quoting me. I think that the Holy Spirit would be supportive of prophecies that show what God intends to do in the lives of people and of the world. But he is not remotely interested in what Satan intends to do, and therefore the Holy Spirit would not be behind a prophecy of that nature.

No, no. I'm quoting from Post #4 again, which you posted an "agree" to. But this response right here is what concerns me with your position. Of course God is interested in what Satan intends to do. One of the purposes of Spirit-led prophecy is to warn believers against the strategies of the enemy, so they can guard against being deceived. This happens all the time with prophetic dreams, and I do mean ALL the time.

Where are those passages? My view is that if there were professing Christians who were like that, they would no longer be genuine believers but those who have generally departed the faith. Scripture certainly does speak about those who have departed the faith and of sound doctrine and gathered to themselves teachers, tickling their ears, leading them astray. Church History confirms that when describing the Gnostics, Arians, and other heretical movements that split the Early Church.

Ok, then let's cover some passages. Let me start with 1 Corinthians 11:29-32. Do you interpret this passage to be about believers? We need to establish if God brings judgments upon true believers or not first.

I am slow in giving correction because I am not a moderator on this forum therefore I don't have the authority. If I thought that a prophetic word on this forum was damaging, I would report it without hesitation. As the senior elder in my church, if someone got up and gave a shonky prophetic word, I will get up and say, "I think we can safety ignore that one", and get the person aside and explain why I took that action. But then, in my Presbyterian church, prophetic words are quite rare, so the occasion is not likely to arise. If I felt that the person prophesying was sincere in their faith, I would get up and say, "Lets just consider that prophetic word in the context of this 5 point test...etc." This would not directly attack the person and put them off giving prophetic words for the rest of their life, but would encourage the people to evaluate the prophecy to see whether it is relevant to them.

We have too many legalistic and harshly critical folk in our churches and if I distance myself from that type of stuff by adopting a much softer approach, then I think I am exercising gracious leadership.

No, no. My point was not, "Why are you not correcting it?" My point was, "Why are you agreeing with it?" Agreeing with it is what sets the bad precedent.

Very wise. You avoided stepping on a mine!

LoL.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Ok, bud. I'm back and able to get to this again.


No, no. I'm quoting from Post #4 again, which you posted an "agree" to. But this response right here is what concerns me with your position. Of course God is interested in what Satan intends to do. One of the purposes of Spirit-led prophecy is to warn believers against the strategies of the enemy, so they can guard against being deceived. This happens all the time with prophetic dreams, and I do mean ALL the time.

I don't see anything in the New Testament that supports that. NT prophecy according to Paul is for exhortation, edification, and comfort. I don't see any of that in the "doom and gloom" prophecies that seem to be popular today.

Ok, then let's cover some passages. Let me start with 1 Corinthians 11:29-32. Do you interpret this passage to be about believers? We need to establish if God brings judgments upon true believers or not first.

This is to warn those that do not acknowledge that physical healing is in the atonement. The wine stands for the shedding of the blood for our sins; The bread stands for the broken body of Christ that brings wholeness to our bodies. It is because there were those who used the breaking of bread time for gluttony and drunkeness instead of respecting it for what it was, that people were getting sick and dying before their time. This does not talk about the final judgment for sinners. It talks about the judgment of ill health and premature death they bring upon themselves.

No, no. My point was not, "Why are you not correcting it?" My point was, "Why are you agreeing with it?" Agreeing with it is what sets the bad precedent.
LoL.

I can't remember what I agreed with or not agreed with now. You might have to show some examples so I can comment.
I will be delaying any further replies. I'm off to church now.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I don't see anything in the New Testament that supports that. NT prophecy according to Paul is for exhortation, edification, and comfort. I don't see any of that in the "doom and gloom" prophecies that seem to be popular today.

Can you please elaborate "doom and gloom" prophecies? Are you including words from Prophets to be the same as prophetic words from those who operate in the Gift of Prophecy? Do you believe that there is a difference? Prophets have a different responsibility than those who have the Gift of Prophecy. Are you a prophet or one who operates in the Gift of Prophecy? This might help explain what you are trying to convey here.

This is to warn those that do not acknowledge that physical healing is in the atonement. The wine stands for the shedding of the blood for our sins; The bread stands for the broken body of Christ that brings wholeness to our bodies. It is because there were those who used the breaking of bread time for gluttony and drunkeness instead of respecting it for what it was, that people were getting sick and dying before their time. This does not talk about the final judgment for sinners. It talks about the judgment of ill health and premature death they bring upon themselves.



I can't remember what I agreed with or not agreed with now. You might have to show some examples so I can comment.
I will be delaying any further replies. I'm off to church now.

 

[Hidden In Him]

It is because there were those who used the breaking of bread time for gluttony and drunkeness instead of respecting it for what it was, that people were getting sick and dying before their time.

No, Oscarr. It was because they were in division (1 Corinthians 11:18). This was the primary sin present in Corinth, as Paul stated from the outset of the letter (1 Corinthians 1:11-12). And it was because some were causing division within the body that he warned them that those who destroy the temple of God (by bringing division) would themselves be destroyed (1 Corinthians 3:17).

This does not talk about the final judgment for sinners. It talks about the judgment of ill health and premature death they bring upon themselves.

You are correct that it is not about final judgment. It is about temporal judgment, but NOT one they were bringing upon themselves. By refused to judge themselves they would be judged by the Lord, who was bringing sickness and in some cases death upon them. This was a preventative measure, executed in hopes of leading them to turn from their sins, lest they be condemned with the world. It harkens back to (among other places in scripture) 1 Corinthians 5:1-5.

How do you interpret this passage? Does it not discuss temporal judgment being passed upon a sinning believer?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Can you please elaborate "doom and gloom" prophecies? Are you including words from Prophets to be the same as prophetic words from those who operate in the Gift of Prophecy? Do you believe that there is a difference? Prophets have a different responsibility than those who have the Gift of Prophecy. Are you a prophet or one who operates in the Gift of Prophecy? This might help explain what you are trying to convey here.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

No, Oscarr. It was because they were in division (1 Corinthians 11:18). This was the primary sin present in Corinth, as Paul stated from the outset of the letter (1 Corinthians 1:11-12). And it was because some were causing division within the body that he warned them that those who destroy the temple of God (by bringing division) would themselves be destroyed (1 Corinthians 3:17).

I'm not sure how that relates to not discerning the body of the Lord. But I can relate it to Paul's comment about people rushing in and eating more than their share and others going without. Their breaking of bread service was quite different to our modern formalised communion services. Their ones were around a type of fellowship meal. Paul says that if people are hungry they should eat at home. If it was about division, then every one of us would be subject to judgment because we are all part of the divided Church as we worship in our own denominations and have no fellowship with others outside of our own churches. Also, the party spirit where we "hero worship" particular big name people, and when people call the elders to find out who is preaching that Sunday so they can decide whether to attend church or not. If judgment came in that cause, we would all be in danger of it. Also, turning something meaningful like the Lord's support and turning into a ritualised "Lord's snack" - isn't that also not discerning the Lord's body and blood? Wouldn't that mean that all of us to participate in the ritual are bringing judgment upon ourselves? Isn't this the reason why there so many sick Christians in our churches and many die before their time?

You are correct that it is not about final judgment. It is about temporal judgment, but NOT one they were bringing upon themselves. By refused to judge themselves they would be judged by the Lord, who was bringing sickness and in some cases death upon them. This was a preventative measure, executed in hopes of leading them to turn from their sins, lest they be condemned with the world. It hearkens back to (among other places in scripture) 1 Corinthians 5:1-5.

How do you interpret this passage? Does it not discuss temporal judgment being passed upon a sinning believer?

Let's look at the Scripture in its proper context:

Correcting an Abuse of the Lord’s Supper

17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. 20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!

23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.

33 So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together. 34 Anyone who is hungry should eat something at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment.

Paul takes just one or two sentences about the divisions among them and acknowledges that there has to be natural differences among them. But he spends most of his time speaking about the abuses that happen during the actual meal. I don't think that it is reliable to put words into Paul's mouth that are not there in the context. It has nothing to do with personal sin. It has everything to do with how some are conducting themselves during the Lord's supper.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Paul takes just one or two sentences about the divisions among them and acknowledges that there has to be natural differences among them. But he spends most of his time speaking about the abuses that happen during the actual meal. I don't think that it is reliable to put words into Paul's mouth that are not there in the context. It has nothing to do with personal sin. It has everything to do with how some are conducting themselves during the Lord's supper.

This is the traditional view, but it is a falsehood. His reference to discerning the Lord's body is not a reference to the bread. It is a reference to the need to recognize that all are a part of the body of Christ through the Spirit, and whosoever does not discern that the body of Christ is more than a social or religious group and does not judge himself for causing division within it is eating and drinking judgment to himself, because he is formally declaring himself a part of the body of Christ, yet by his actions destroying it by causing division.

I'm guessing you just haven't gotten to it yet, but you didn't answer my next question:

It harkens back to (among other places in scripture) 1 Corinthians 5:1-5.

How do you interpret this passage? Does it not discuss temporal judgment being passed upon a sinning believer?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

How do you interpret this passage? Does it not discuss temporal judgment being passed upon a sinning believer?

No. Because Paul does not mention personal sin in the passage. We can't bring into the context what isn't there in the first place. Paul does comment on the immorality of a church member, but that is in another place and related to the Lord's Supper passage. Also, temporal judgment on a sinning believer is contrary to what Paul taught in Romans about there being no condemnation to those who are in Christ. Paul does not contradict himself. The action of a church member caught up in immorality brings the consequence of either repenting or being "disfellowshiped" until he does repent.

Paul quite clearly states the consequence of disrespecting the Lord's Supper by overindulging in the food and drinking to excess with the wine - sickness and premature death. It is the result of corrupting and misusing what is a holy remembrance of the Lord's death. If the members accepted the true significance of the broken body of the Lord, the members would be kept in health. This is linked with Matthew's quote of Isaiah - "by His stripes we are healed", relating that quote directly to the healing ministry of the Lord. The Lord's body was broken so we could be kept in health. There have been testimonies of people being divinely healed as they took the break in the Lord's Supper service.

There is no subtext in this passage. The literal meaning of what Paul said is the most reliable rendering of the passage - that sickness and death resulted from the misuse of the holy ordinance of the Lord's Supper.

 

[ARBITER01]

I've never been open to anyone wanting to prophesy over me. I didn't like watching people do it and certainly didn't want it tried on me.

GOD can do things unexpectedly at times.

A guy that was visiting our church was anointing and praying for people and I felt led to get in line and participate. When he anointed my forehead GOD grabbed him and had him start to prophesy over me. This caught me off guard, but it was not anything futuristic, it was just a series of confirming words over things GOD had already been showing me all week long prior to the guy arriving at our church. This was part of the "exhortation" aspect of prophesying, a series of confirming and uplifting words.

I'm still not open to anyone prophesying over me, and I don't want to seek words of encouragement, but I did witness the proper usage of the gift of prophesying this way, and was blessed in the process.

 

[Hidden In Him]

No. Because Paul does not mention personal sin in the passage.

He doesn't mention personal sin in this passage?! A Ha Ha! Oscarr, if a man sleeping with another man's wife isn't "personal sin" then I don't know what is!!, LoL. You're a character, brother. I'll give you that. Ha Ha!

We can't bring into the context what isn't there in the first place. Paul does comment on the immorality of a church member, but that is in another place and related to the Lord's Supper passage.

Talk about bringing into the context something that isn't there! Oscarr, you're interpreting 1 Corinthians 5:5 in the "context" of something Paul won't bring up for another Six Chapters! Ha Ha!

Oh, me. Well, at least I'm getting a good laugh out of it anyway. No hard feelings, Oscarr. Just because I'm finding your position a little humorous doesn't mean I don't still respect you or count you as a friend. I just don't think it holds water. Just because something is tradition doesn't guarantee it's correct.

But on a more serious note, please keep in mind once again that people look up to you. The saints are going to stand judgment as well, and many feel regret upon realizing they were teaching things that were in reality falsehoods, given the influence their opinions were having on others. But I think we'd better stop here. You seem very resolute in your position, so I don't think I'm gonna be helping you any at this point. I certainly don't support brothers being in strife to no good end, and I guess I've said everything I should.

At least it's been nice having a pleasant and cordial conversation with you. That's one thing you're very strong in, Oscarr, and I don't mind telling you.

God bless,
Hidden

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

He doesn't mention personal sin in this passage?! A Ha Ha! Oscarr, if a man sleeping with another man's wife isn't "personal sin" then I don't know what is!!, LoL. You're a character, brother. I'll give you that. Ha Ha!

You're great to debate with. A lot of fun. But where in this particular passage about the abuse of the Lord's Supper does he speak of that? I know he deals with it in another passage, but not with this one in which he is specifically speaking of a particular abuse of the Lord's supper that leads to sickness and premature death. I know that the adultery will bring the church into disrepute among the surrounding pagans; that is a given, but that is a separate issue and Paul deals with it separately. I think that people have had it ground into them that not discerning the Lord's body is to do with personal sin and people shouldn't take communion if they are aware of unconfessed sin and if they do they bring judgment upon themselves. But that is not what Paul is talking about here. He is talking about how people are conducting themselves at the supper. Try to put Paul's words into practice in our modern communion services. How can a hungry person satisfy himself with the plate of small slices of bread and a little thimble size thing of wine? In the context of our modern communion service, Paul's comments would seem quite silly wouldn't they? I think that people don't understand the difference in the way that the Early Church had the Lord's supper. It was a full-on shared meal, like a fellowship lunch. Paul's observations about what was going on are similar to my first wedding, where it was a buffet, and the church people loaded up their plates to such a degree that many members of the brides family missed out on the best of the food. Same thing. The selfishness and gluttony of some church members made the Corinthian Lord's Supper into a food fest instead of a holy, respectful observance of what Jesus did for us on the cross. There are many church people who would just be the same today, if we observe their gluttonous conduct at fellowship lunches. I was in one church where the children rushed to the tables before the adults and gobbled up a lot of the attractive food before the adults had a chance. Maybe that is why churches decided to have wafers and wine given out by the priests instead of it being self-service. It is safer to have the Lord's "snack" than the Lord's Supper, maybe for that reason! Actually a minuscule bit of bread and a drop of wine isn't much of a snack either!

Talk about bringing into the context something that isn't there! Oscarr, you're interpreting 1 Corinthians 5:5 in the "context" of something Paul won't bring up for another Six Chapters! Ha Ha!

But it is a separate issue to what Paul was talking about in the passage I quoted. Oh well, Paul could have said that people would eat as much as they liked at the Lord's supper, and they could bring it up at the next meeting!

Oh, me. Well, at least I'm getting a good laugh out of it anyway. No hard feelings, Oscarr. Just because I'm finding your position a little humorous doesn't mean I don't still respect you or count you as a friend. I just don't think it holds water. Just because something is tradition doesn't guarantee it's correct.

You've got to read what is actually there. Paul is dealing with quite a number of issues in the Corinthian church and this is just one of them. He gives the cause and the consequences in the same passage. In 1 Corinthians 5:5 he gives the consequence that should happened to a man who has grievously sinned. Not the same consequence as disrespecting the Lord's Supper. People who disrespect the Lord's Supper do not get handed over to Satan for discipline. If Paul had believed that those with unconfessed sin would be eating and drinking damnation to themselves, he would have quite clearly said so. But he doesn't mention that. He is clear enough though about the gluttony of some that causes others to miss out, and links that to the eating of damnation to themselves.

But on a more serious note, please keep in mind once again that people look up to you. The saints are going to stand judgment as well, and many feel regret upon realizing they were teaching things that were in reality falsehoods, given the influence their opinions were having on others. But I think we'd better stop here. You seem very resolute in your position, so I don't think I'm gonna be helping you any at this point. I certainly don't support brothers being in strife to no good end, and I guess I've said everything I should.

I guess that I react against legalistic leaders stopping folks from joining in with the communion service because of perceived sin. While I was connected to a Charismatic church I saw this sort of thing going on. A friend of mine who was engaged, and having difficulties, went to see another Christian sister for advice. The church leader went one and one equals three and concluded, without evidence, that the guy was being unfaithful, so in front of 400 people he told the guy that he was not permitted to take communion because he had committed serious sin. It is interesting to note that this elder was heavily involved in the Shepherding Discipleship movement at the time. This elder, in my opinion seriously misapplied 1 Corinthians 11 in this case; anyway, just seeing a talking to a woman is no sin at all, but to a legalistic-minded leader, even looking at a woman the wrong way is a sin in his mind. I think that it was a reaction to an incident a year or two before when most of the children of the elders were sleeping around and it became quite a scandal in that church.

Also, to say that people with sin-based difficulties eating and drinking damnation to themselves is a direct contradiction to Paul's teaching in Romans, that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ. (the bit about not walking in the flesh was added later by a legalistic-minded scribe who could not accept that believers born of God were no longer forgiven sinners but righteous (in Christ) children of God and that God no longer sees their failures and shortcoming, past present or future.

At least it's been nice having a pleasant and cordial conversation with you. That's one thing you're very strong in, Oscarr, and I don't mind telling you.

This is what forums are all about (or should be anyway).

 

[Heart2Soul]

The darkness of God is a normal event in the life of a believer. It is when God withdraws the sense of His presence for a time so that the believer's faith is strengthened in God's Word and promises, and not in any sensual feelings or emotions. David had this experience and learned to trust God no matter what. He expresses this in Psalm 23: "Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, thou art with me; thy rod and staff will comfort me." This shows that the shadow of death experience is a normal part of the Christian walk. When I go through a dry period, I take great comfort in the Scripture: "Blessed are they who have seen, but blessed are they who have not seen."

The promise is that Jesus is with us always, right to the end of the world, and that He would never leave us nor forsake us. It is just that He withdraws our awareness of His presence and assistance, not His actual presence and assistance. During these times of darkness we must not blame ourselves or try to do a witch hunt on ourselves to see if there is any sin blocking the way. We are right with God. Sin is no longer a problem, ever, because Jesus took it all with Him on the Cross. But our times of darkness puts our faith in the right direction - on His promises in the Word, and not on our senses.

We don't have to hear from Him in those times. Actually we won't, because He wants us to learn to walk in that valley of the shadow of death so that we will step forward in the darkness, not knowing for sure that there will be solid ground under our feet when we take that next step. But you can be sure, that when He thinks that you are going to stray off the path and topple over the edge, He will stop you. That's what His rod and staff are for when you go through that dark place. His rod is there to give you a bit of a whack on the backside (through conviction), and His staff has a hook on the top of it to hook you around the neck and drag you back from the precipice! So during your time of darkness when you don't hear His voice, you may certainly feel His convicting rod, and His guiding staff. He doesn't need words to do those things.

The Scripture says that we should not be like a horse or mule and have to be led with a bit and bridle. This means that when we don't receive His guiding voice directly or through prophecy, we are to use our own judgment about the direction we need to travel to keep on the path of righteousness.

The Scripture says that we should not be like a horse or mule and have to be led with a bit and bridle. This means that when we don't receive His guiding voice directly or through prophecy, we are to use our own judgment about the direction we need to travel to keep on the path of righteousness. This is false teaching!!! has nothing to do with prophecy!!!!

Here is what the scripture says concerning that verse....has nothing to do with prophecy but rather understanding: Psalm 32:9

Blessed is He who is Forgiven
…8I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go; I will counsel you with My eye upon you. 9Do not be as the horse or as the mule which have no understanding, Whose trappings include bit and bridle to hold them in check, Otherwise they will not come near to you. 10Many are the sorrows of the wicked, But he who trusts in the LORD, lovingkindness shall surround him.…

So here is the whole Psalm 32
1 (A Psalm of David, Maschil.) Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.

4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.

5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

6 For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.

7 Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.

8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.

9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.

10 Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.

11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.


As you can see this scripture deals with repentance and understanding not prophecy.....

David had this experience and learned to trust God no matter what. He expresses this in Psalm 23: "Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, thou art with me; thy rod and staff will comfort me." This shows that the shadow of death experience is a normal part of the Christian walk. THIS IS A FALSE TEACHING and distorts the meaning of this scripture!

Here is the whole Psalm 23
Psalm 23
A psalm of David.
1 The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.
2 He makes me to lie down in green pastures,
he leads me beside quiet waters,
3 he refreshes my soul.
He guides me along the right paths
for his name’s sake.
4 Even though I walk
through the darkest valley
I will fear no evil, for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.

5 You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.
6 Surely your goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the Lord
forever.

This shows that the confidence and faith in the Lord will sustain him and keep him in comfort and protection against all enemies and that he will be led by God.
Psalm 23 of the King James Bible is about faith and the trust in God to guide and protect the individual. It features the iconic phrase, "the Lord is my shepherd," which metaphorically describes Christians as sheep under the watchful eye of the shepherd Jehovah.

 

[GTW27]

In other words, be led by The Spirit and you will be in His Perfect will for your life. Consult The Lord in all matters and He will direct your steps.

 

[IXOYE5]

is it "right" to want someone to prophesy over me?

I hear this question raised, and see people's hunger for "words from God"

Hello Friend,
Maxelcat

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God! What is prophesy...? is it a Whisper from God, or a Gentle Breeze that flows through the leaves of a tree that glisten in the Sun? Is it the Word from His Holy Spirit the that flows like Rivers of Crystal clear Water from His Throne? Grace is a gift and a measure of faith that comes from His Throne when Jesus Christ sat in His rightful place on the right side of God and gave gifts to men.

Men are Inspired by God with a gift, but every Word must come from the inner man, that Spiritual man of Christ that abides within a man by the renewing of the mine and soul setting aside the carnal flesh.... as the Spirit of the Lord moved Phillip to join a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority on the chariot. Acts Chapter 8 KJV. There are many prophesy's, but not all are from the Inspirational Essence of God's Holy Spirit and Grace. If one shall be blessed by Adonai to receive is it for the one receiving or the one receiving to give to an other? It is said freely we have received so freely give. One might ask why do I need a prophesy from the Lord? If we look back in our life His calling us to Christ the Lord was a gift of Grace to set us free from the bondage of the flesh.

The "Little Things" that God has put in our path to walk that straight and narrow path will put in perspective the things He has had in store for us from the beginning of the little spark He put inside us when He called us to Christ and Everlasting Glory. But that choice was "free will" to choose the path set before us to follow. Compile all the little things He has done in your life and and the "picture will come crystal clear" the Prophesy the Lord has give to each and every Soul He has called to receive everlasting Life through Jesus Christ His Son. The Holy Spirit teaches us all things that are of God, if we are of God for God's children hear the voice of God? And that little the "Spark" it will continue to grow and your fruit will grow as a light on a hill "can not" hide.

There is one thing that God "will not" do, that is ask for money and bring a prophecy through a vessel every Sunday at 10:30am through the same person every time. He "will Not" make merchandise of the Body of Christ!

I am just a servant of Christ in His vineyard crying in the wilderness as a Watchman on the Wall.
And I pray that those who seek shall find, and as wise men shall Pray for His Wisdom and Knowledge to understand the Deep Things of God given freely to His Children of Glory through obedience.

May God bless you and teach you through His Holy Spirit the Truth of the Gospel of Christ and the Wisdom and Knowledge of the Living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

A Brother in Christ,
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[Presbyterian Continuist]

Maxelcat said: ↑
is it "right" to want someone to prophesy over me?

I hear this question raised, and see people's hunger for "words from God"

I will put my 2 cents worth in here. If you have the Holy Spirit living in you and Jesus has promised that the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide, counsel, teach and lead you into all truth, why do you need to ask someone else to speak to you? It's like having mummy to cut up your meat for you when you are old enough to handle the knife for yourself!

If the Holy Spirit can give you all the guidance you need first hand because He is living inside of you, why do you need second hand guidance through the imperfect function of prophecy through the mouth of another human being?

If you spend time in prayer and in the Word, you will become more sensitive to the voice of the Spirit in you and you will not need someone else to guide you. This is the evil and demonic doctrine of the 1970s Shepherding Discipleship doctrine. People with that doctrine forced others to come under their authority or "covering" to give them guidance and instructions on how to live, work and worship. The evil of that doctrine is that it made self-appointed "disciplers" usurp the role of the inner Holy Spirit and forced believers to be dependent on humans.

This is not to say that we ignore the advice of our mentors and leaders in the Lord. But their comments are advisory only and they will point you to Christ and allow you to seek the inner voice of the Holy Spirit to confirm what they are telling you. We had young people in our church too afraid to go to the shop and buy a pair of pants without getting permission from their "discipler" first! That evil doctrine ruined thousands of good lives and drove many away from the churches and from Christ Himself!

The evil shepherds often used prophecy and words of knowledge to manipulate and brainwash vulnerable believers into accepting their unScriptural authority and induced them to believe that they were being rebellious and having a "Jezebel spirit" just because they said they wanted to go to prayer and the Word to find out for themselves if the guidance was correct.

So the upshot of all this is, you don't need anyone to prophesy over you and you should refuse any words from anyone you don't trust as your God-given mentor, leader or pastor. If God moves one of those men or women to give a word to you, they won't use the Lord's Name to stamp their authority on it. They will give you the word and encourage you to go to the Lord for confirmation. If the Lord doesn't give you the confirmation, they will be the first to say to definitely ignore what they said to you.

Usually a word of prophecy from a trusted mentor or pastor to you will confirm something the Lord has already told you in the Spirit. Sometimes we will get an impression and we are not sure it is the Lord, so we ask, "Lord, please confirm that to me." Then on Sunday morning, your pastor might come to you and say that he feels to say a word of encouragement to you and you immediately know that is a confirmation of what you already had, and the word from the pastor is the answer to your prayer.

But a person moving in the Holy Spirit will never force a prophecy on you. They might say, "I had some thoughts while I was praying for you, and here they are". Or, "If Jesus was here, He might say this to you." You will always have the freedom to say, "It doesn't mean anything to me right now, but I will go and pray about it and let you know." A good "prophet" will accept that happily.

I hope my thoughts are helpful to you.

 

[GTW27]

Hello Friend,
Maxelcat

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God! What is prophesy...? is it a Whisper from God, or a Gentle Breeze that flows through the leaves of a tree that glisten in the Sun? Is it the Word from His Holy Spirit the that flows like Rivers of Crystal clear Water from His Throne? Grace is a gift and a measure of faith that comes from His Throne when Jesus Christ sat in His rightful place on the right side of God and gave gifts to men.

Men are Inspired by God with a gift, but every Word must come from the inner man, that Spiritual man of Christ that abides within a man by the renewing of the mine and soul setting aside the carnal flesh.... as the Spirit of the Lord moved Phillip to join a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority on the chariot. Acts Chapter 8 KJV. There are many prophesy's, but not all are from the Inspirational Essence of God's Holy Spirit and Grace. If one shall be blessed by Adonai to receive is it for the one receiving or the one receiving to give to an other? It is said freely we have received so freely give. One might ask why do I need a prophesy from the Lord? If we look back in our life His calling us to Christ the Lord was a gift of Grace to set us free from the bondage of the flesh.

The "Little Things" that God has put in our path to walk that straight and narrow path will put in perspective the things He has had in store for us from the beginning of the little spark He put inside us when He called us to Christ and Everlasting Glory. But that choice was "free will" to choose the path set before us to follow. Compile all the little things He has done in your life and and the "picture will come crystal clear" the Prophesy the Lord has give to each and every Soul He has called to receive everlasting Life through Jesus Christ His Son. The Holy Spirit teaches us all things that are of God, if we are of God for God's children hear the voice of God? And that little the "Spark" it will continue to grow and your fruit will grow as a light on a hill "can not" hide.

There is one thing that God "will not" do, that is ask for money and bring a prophecy through a vessel every Sunday at 10:30am through the same person every time. He "will Not" make merchandise of the Body of Christ!

I am just a servant of Christ in His vineyard crying in the wilderness as a Watchman on the Wall.
And I pray that those who seek shall find, and as wise men shall Pray for His Wisdom and Knowledge to understand the Deep Things of God given freely to His Children of Glory through obedience.

May God bless you and teach you through His Holy Spirit the Truth of the Gospel of Christ and the Wisdom and Knowledge of the Living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

A Brother in Christ,
IXOYE5 Watchman on TheWall (@IXOYE5) | Twitter
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Blessings in Christ Jesus. Even though the years have passed by, I still feel The Lord in your words as you write them in here.This brings me great joy as It confirms to me that you are still in the palm of His Hand, as is your brother in Christ.

 

[Denadii]

is it "right" to want someone to prophesy over me?

I hear this question raised, and see people's hunger for "words from God"

No. It's not wrong but if you want the words of God for you...read the bible first and foremost.

 

[IXOYE5]

Blessings in Christ Jesus. Even though the years have passed by, I still feel The Lord in your words as you write them in here.This brings me great joy as It confirms to me that you are still in the palm of His Hand, as is your brother in Christ.

Thank you Brother, Yes I has been a very Longtime... But in God's time it have been just a moment. Thank you for the very kind words! My most longed for journey is to follow His Son the King of Kings, without looking back. But looking forward in the LIGHT that God puts before my path in every little way, to notice every little pebble, every little breeze every watching for His Holy Spirit to guide me into the way of His will. And to always Plant and Water the seed he puts in my hand to that it may bring forth much fruit for His Kingdom that other may receive that which I have been bless with inside me going back to 1972 a day I shall never forget the day He touched me. And Thant I may be worthy to stand before the Throne of God and "Hear that voice when the Book of Life is Opened", Well done thou good and faithful servant, 'Enter thou into the Joy of the Lord!

May God continue to light your path and Bless you and your family!
Your Brother in Christ the Lord,

IXOYE5
Martin Thurman

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

As part of my on-going research into prophecy, I have come across something which I agree with. This is that a person who is to be reliably used in the prophetic needs to be a bonded-in member of a local church. This is necessary for accountability, not only for accuracy in prophecy, but for the character of the person used in the prophetic. A "lone ranger" type of prophetic ministry that does not have the accountability of a home church can be unreliable, because there is no one to check on the character of the person prophesying. This is a good reason why when a person gives a prophecy, before accepting it, we have to evaluate two things: Is it consistent with the teaching of Scripture? And, is the character of the person prophesying beyond reproach? There are people out there giving prophecies but with unconfessed sin in their lives, and because they are not part of a home church, they are not subject to mature leadership to be able to point out discrepancies in character. Therefore, can we really rely on the prophecies, even though accurate as far as Scripture is concerned, if we cannot know the character of the prophet? How can we know if the person might have dishonesty, immorality, or unteachability in their character?

This is why I am now reluctant to give prophecies on line to people who do not know me, because they don't know enough about me to know what my character is really like. The only way to ensure that my character is consistent with the manifestation of the prophetic gift is for the person receiving the prophecy to contact the leadership of my home church to confirm that my character is appropriate for giving prophetic words to people. If I refuse to give details of the leadership of my home church, then the person has every right to reject my prophetic word without hesitation. This is because a prophecy given by a person of dubious character can cause more harm than good, because God uses only people with good character to represent Him in the prophetic ministry.