Discussion Prophecy videos about Trump will still be president

[Svt4Him]

I think that the prophecies re Trump should have made the Church realize that when people do things like this, fathers of the faith need to judge the word, and be accountable. Some did. And when they were wrong, then the whole team should have come out and said we missed it.

In my opinion, what happened with the election happened because people mistook patriotism for faith, whereas the Bible says we're passing through.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think that the prophecies re Trump should have made the Church realize that when people do things like this, fathers of the faith need to judge the word, and be accountable. Some did. And when they were wrong, then the whole team should have come out and said we missed it.

In my opinion, what happened with the election happened because people mistook patriotism for faith, whereas the Bible says we're passing through.

"Prophets" have been saying America is special. America has murdered 60 million unborn babies. We are not special. The President of the USA put up gay colors on the White House. We are not special. We regularly go around the world asserting our power just because we can. We are not special. They are teaching our elementary school children it is ok to be trans, bi, or gay. We are most certainly not special. Stop thinking we are special. If the church in America is salt, I do not see its effects.
Want a prophetic word? America is past the point of no return. We as a nation have nothing to look forward to but judgement. A nation that was so blessed, a church on every street corner. We have been and still are the "richest" church that has ever been.
Do you want a prophetic word:
Laodicea.
Come out from among them or He will drag you out. Then He will drive you out.


BTW... if you have not started prepping. Consider it now while you still can.
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[Joan Lamb]

fred tacky said: ↑
"If I don't see a deliberate attempt to turn people away from God, I will not call that person a false prophet."

This I agree with. They may not be prophets at all. But if they are, then they are simply wrong prophets. Their prophecies have failed. Their prophecies have been judged as instructed by 1 Corin 14, and they are wrong. This does not make them false prophets.
False prophets deny Christ and want you to deny Christ also.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 If a person prophecies things that do not come to pass that person is a false prophet
Deuteronomy 13:1-5 If a person prophecies things that do come to pass but the person leads people away from the one true God that person is a false prophet

So the true prophet must prophecy things that come to pass and must also point people to the one true God

Applying the Godly principle will separate the wheat from the chaff in my view.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 If a person prophecies things that do not come to pass that person is a false prophet
Deuteronomy 13:1-5 If a person prophecies things that do come to pass but the person leads people away from the one true God that person is a false prophet

So the true prophet must prophecy things that come to pass and must also point people to the one true God

Applying the Godly principle will separate the wheat from the chaff in my view.

I am looking for the word "false" in these verses. Hmmmm... cannot seem to find it. Perhaps I am missing it.
I realize that we might assume they are. But sometimes we assume incorrect things because we bring our own ideas into the discussion and change the context.
If the word does not exist in the verse... let's not insert it.

 

[Joan Lamb]

I am looking for the word "false" in these verses. Hmmmm... cannot seem to find it. Perhaps I am missing it.

Perhaps it is the translation you are using. I prefer to look at the passage in many translations. FOr example:

NLT
True and False Prophets
15 Moses continued, “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you yourselves requested of the Lord your God when you were assembled at Mount Sinai. You said, ‘Don’t let us hear the voice of the Lord our God anymore or see this blazing fire, for we will die.’

17 “Then the Lord said to me, ‘What they have said is right. 18 I will raise up a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites. I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command him. 19 I will personally deal with anyone who will not listen to the messages the prophet proclaims on my behalf. 20 But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in my name or who speaks in the name of another god must die.’

21 “But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ 22 If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared.

 

[Justaman0000]

"Prophets" have been saying America is special. America has murdered 60 million unborn babies. We are not special. The President of the USA put up gay colors on the White House. We are not special. We regularly go around the world asserting our power just because we can. We are not special. They are teaching our elementary school children it is ok to be trans, bi, or gay. We are most certainly not special. Stop thinking we are special. If the church in America is salt, I do not see its effects.
Want a prophetic word? America is past the point of no return. We as a nation have nothing to look forward to but judgement. A nation that was so blessed, a church on every street corner. We have been and still are the "richest" church that has ever been.
Do you want a prophetic word:
Laodicea.
Come out from among them or He will drag you out. Then He will drive you out.


BTW... if you have not started prepping. Consider it now while you still can.
See my signature.

America is the harlot of Babylon.

 

[lismore]

If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message.

So straightforward and yet so difficult for many to accept. God Bless

 

[Joan Lamb]

So straightforward and yet so difficult for many to accept. God Bless

Birds of a feather flock together.

 

[VictorySHOUT]

Some prophecies must be acted upon. They require faith and the spoken amen. The so called Covid virus lingered only because authority was not taken over it. Covid is nothing. It crawls on it's belly and eats mud.

 

[lismore]

Welcome to the forum @VictorySHOUT

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So anyway. (was made re-aware of this thread due to a rating on the OP)

It didn't happen, Trump didn't stay president, and there was no revolt re-instating him either.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

My experience with prophecy that includes predictions is usually not with the vision, it is with the interpretation. I have learned to be silent on the interpretation until it is given to you.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

So anyway. (was made re-aware of this thread due to a rating on the OP)

It didn't happen, Trump didn't stay president, and there was no revolt re-instating him either.

Kinda think at this point that all the ones who stated that God told them Trump would be reelected/remain president somehow need to ask for forgiveness from God and those other prophets that they shamed who did admit that the words they thought they received were wrong. That's between them and God though.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

In the NT, a "false prophet" is always an unbeliever. He does not believe that Jesus is Lord, and he does not want you to believe Jesus is Lord.
A genuine NT prophet can be mistaken and fail. His prophecies may fail. His prophecies should be judged. Why judge a prophecy if prophets cannot make mistakes? Note it is the prophecies that fail. Note it is the prophecies that should be judged. Never is it said the prophets should be judged as false based solely on his erroneous prophecy. Never is it stated that the prophets are false solely because their prophecies fail or are judged to be in error. Prophets can make mistakes and do. Even in the OT, it is judged that (genuine) prophets who made mistakes did not (must not have) get their message from the Lord, and therefore should not be feared (revered). It never says these are false prophets, only that their prophecies were in error. The failed prophecies about Trump are par for the course. Those prophecies have now judged and the prophecies are deemed false. That does not mean they are false prophets. They erred, true. But making errors does not make one a false prophet. It merely makes them mistaken prophets. The message they gave did not come from the Lord. Simple.

 

[lismore]

Kinda think at this point that all the ones who stated that God told them Trump would be reelected/remain president somehow need to ask for forgiveness from God and those other prophets that they shamed who did admit that the words they thought they received were wrong. That's between them and God though.

Imho there must be a public, corporate repentance and rebuke. The gospel has been brought into public disrepute because of this poor behavior on the part of 'leaders'.

'Prophet' and 'wrong' in the same sentence does not compute, when God speaks it's true and flawless.

But if any of the leaders should keep on sinning, they must be corrected in front of the whole group, as a warning to everyone else (1 Timothy 5:20)

The leaders who repeatedly said God told them something when he hadn't must publicly repent, show anguish of heart and be rebuked for deceiving God's people. If they won't repent they must be marked and avoided. The congregation should express clear anguish for ignoring the clear warning signs, accepting false doctrine and false prophecy and then appoint Godly shepherds who can give them basic biblical teaching so that they are not making a laughing stock of themselves repeatedly.

Measures must be put into place to identify and protect the people from the 'savage wolves' the bible repeatedly warns about (Acts 20:29, Matthew 7:15), proper church government and accountability.

Otherwise the next pandemic or the next election they will just make a public erse of themselves again. The world is watching. " Timothy 3:13 shows that this isn't an issue that will disappear by ignoring it, false prophets are described as evil men who will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.

The issue was not solely about 'prophecy', it was the foundation of false doctrine that they built these oddball prophecies on.

God Bless

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Kinda think at this point that all the ones who stated that God told them Trump would be reelected/remain president somehow need to ask for forgiveness from God and those other prophets that they shamed who did admit that the words they thought they received were wrong. That's between them and God though.

I'd agree there. Since Trump is going for "Re"-Election, no need to re-hash these prophecies again.

 

[lismore]

Since Trump is going for "Re"-Election, no need to re-hash these prophecies again.

The same false prophets will soon have another raft of false prophecies with which to deceive the undiscerning. Groundhog day.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The same false prophets will soon have another raft of false prophecies with which to deceive the undiscerning. Groundhog day.

There are the false prophets, then the newbies who regurgitate the messages, thinking they're prophets too.

Wherever there is controversy, there is no shortage of opportunists.

 

[lismore]

There are the false prophets, then the newbies who regurgitate the messages, thinking they're prophets too.

Wherever there is controversy, there is no shortage of opportunists.

Then there is the body, who seem to be very lackadaisical about blasphemy, 'God told me.....' when he hasn't. Blasphemy- no big deal. Prepare for more deception.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Then there is the body, who seem to be very lackadaisical about blasphemy, 'God told me.....' when he hasn't. Blasphemy- no big deal. Prepare for more deception.

Deception is kind of what people do, how much more their leaders? No need for excessive preparation.