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In 1948 after almost 2000 years, Israel became a nation in one day.

The prophecy of Christ states this generation shall not pass..

What we are seeing in the bible is a generation at 70 years.

70 started with Israel in 1948, we are at the 65 year mark before the middle point of Daniels week.


Hi x, I was born in 1948, will be 65 at the end of December. :) If the Lord's willing.

But the math works out to 1948+70=2018 for all the prophecies to have been completed, including Jesus Return. Minus the 7 years, 2011 would have been the last year - for the 1948 basis.

So the other basis is 1967+70=2037 for all the prophecies to have been
completed. Taking away the 7 years, 2030 is the last year - for the 1967 basis. Still valid. And makes sense, since the Jews did not possess Jerusalem in 1948 as their capital.

The reason I don't think a temple being around the corner next spring is that the ten king kingdom that the little horn first emerges among those kings - is not in place yet.

I think though it is close. For that reason, I am watching Europe more than the Pope, Israel and the Palestinians.


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So you think the beast is ?

The 7 head beast is the Vatican

And the pope a false prophet

Lol, I dont honestly have a clue who the man of sin is, but if I had to take a wild guess?

Hes gotta be someone everyone would love..

If we are guessing why not, I think he fits the bill, but its way to early to tell..
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Hi x, I was born in 1948, will be 65 at the end of December. :)

But the math works out to 1948+70=2018 for all the prophecies to have been completed, including Jesus Return. Minus the 7 years, 2011 would have been the last year - for the 1948 basis.

So the other basis is 1967+70=2037 for all the prophecies to have been
completed. Taking away the 7 years, 2030 is the last year - for the 1967 basis. Still valid. And makes sense, since the Jews did not possess Jerusalem in 1948 as their capital.

The reason I don't think a temple being around the corner next spring is that the ten king kingdom that the little horn first emerges among those kings - is not in place yet.

I think though it is close. For that reason, I am watching Europe more than the Pope, Israel and the Palestinians.


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Man I couldnt agree more with you..

I dont think a temple will be seen till late next year or even into 2015..

Crazy you are born in 48, you are in for a show..
 
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Lol, I dont honestly have a clue who the man of sin is, but if I had to take a wild guess?

Hes gotta be someone everyone would love..

If we are guessing why not, I think he fits the bill, but its way to early to tell..
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Why would he want to be worship as god? Why does he desire the tiny real estate of Israel ?
 
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Hi x, I was born in 1948, will be 65 at the end of December. :) If the Lord's willing.

But the math works out to 1948+70=2018 for all the prophecies to have been completed, including Jesus Return. Minus the 7 years, 2011 would have been the last year - for the 1948 basis.

So the other basis is 1967+70=2037 for all the prophecies to have been
completed. Taking away the 7 years, 2030 is the last year - for the 1967 basis. Still valid. And makes sense, since the Jews did not possess Jerusalem in 1948 as their capital.

The reason I don't think a temple being around the corner next spring is that the ten king kingdom that the little horn first emerges among those kings - is not in place yet.

I think though it is close. For that reason, I am watching Europe more than the Pope, Israel and the Palestinians.


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You believe 10 kingdoms will form first Doug?

I do .. But not until after the false messiah comes ... 10 kingdoms of tje lost tribes of Israel will form... The kings of the north .. They are gentile kingdoms of Israel...since many believe Israel are Gentiles grafted in
 
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Why would he want to be worship as god? Why does he desire the tiny real estate of Israel ?

Its more of a joke man, I dont really know who is going to take over..

Thats a part of prophecy we just have to wait on..

I think we will see financial collapse and then a "Leader" will emerge, who that is I dont know.
 
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Man I couldnt agree more with you..

I dont think a temple will be seen till late next year or even into 2015..

Crazy you are born in 48, you are in for a show..

A show of deception ... Me thinks
 
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Its more of a joke man, I dont really know who is going to take over..

Thats a part of prophecy we just have to wait on..

I think we will see financial collapse and then a "Leader" will emerge, who that is I dont know.

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Crazy you are born in 48, you are in for a show..
Pretty amazing alright, when you consider that I was the only one among my friends and college chums, who ended up having to go in the military, low draft number. And God, I am certain used that to put in a two man room with another soldier, who used to bring a bunch of end times tracks around (shortly after I became a Christian - he didn't know it though), and a modern language bible, that made it possible for me study end times prophecies for two years, every single day after duty while my friends at home were out raising families and such. Which was like a miracle because at the time I had such a hard time with the KJV.

And that's what I have done for over 40 years. I am not my own person as they say.


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Lets take a look at the current state of the world, and see if it correlates to Biblical prophesy..

Isa 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. *(This has never happened before)*

That's right. Damascus is said to be the oldest continually-inhabited city on the earth. But it could be nuked by Israel during a future all-out war (Isaiah 17:1). Yet this war will also break the power of Israel (Isaiah 17:4).

One way this war could happen is the U.S. could build up the Iraqi Army until it's huge enough and well-equipped enough to serve as a proxy army, for the U.S. and Israel, for an all-out ground invasion of Iran, in order to end Iran's nuclear weapons program and extremist regime. As part of the buildup of the Iraqi Army, the U.S. could reinstall some of the former Baathist military hierarchy to run the Iraqi Army more efficiently and ruthlessly. And if the current Shiite-dominated government of Iraq balks at any invasion of fellow-Shiite Iran, this could lead the CIA, the Mossad, and possibly also (Sunni Arab) Saudi Intelligence, to bring about a Baathist coup d'etat in Iraq. For all 3 of these intelligence agencies would love for Iraq to attack their common mortal foe Iran, and the Iraqi Baathists could agree to do this, for they see non-Arab Iran as a great enemy of Arab autonomy.

To help get the Iraqi masses and the world behind the idea of an all-out Iraqi invasion of Iran, false-flag operations could be managed by the CIA and the Mossad by which it will be made to seem that (non-Arab, Persian) Iran is attacking the Iraqi Sunni Arabs and their little children terroristically with "dirty bombs" made from Iranian-enriched uranium, so that the Iraqi Arab masses will become enraged and begin to call for all-out retaliation against (what they could call) "the vile Persians". And the world could see an Iraqi invasion of Iran as being completely justified by self-defense.

But then, right when Iraq is all ready to invade Iran, the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel (who by that time could be led by a great miracle-working false Messiah: cf. Matthew 24:24) could destroy the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (the 3rd-holiest sites in Islam) on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, to prepare the site for the building of a 3rd Jewish temple (Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). This could so enrage Muslims worldwide, including the (Muslim) Iraqi Army, that the Iraqi Baathist Generals could see it as a perfect excuse to abandon the plan to invade huge Iran, and instead (pretending that they're doing so in the name of Islam) turn and send their vast army against the little territory of Israel, completely defeating it (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17, the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath").

But this wouldn't be the ultimate reason for the Baathist attack, which could continue on south to also defeat and occupy Egypt (Daniel 11:15). For Egypt is ruled by the U.S.-supported Egyptian Army, which the Baathists could see as being a puppet of the U.S., just as they could see Israel as being a colony of the U.S. Baathism's ultimate aim is to unite all Arab lands from Oman to Morocco into one massive, powerful United Arab States free of all foreign hegemony.

The all-out Iraqi attack on Israel could be joined by the entire (Baathist) Syrian Army (with all of its missiles, many tipped with nerve agents), as well as by all of Iran's long-range missiles and all of Hezbollah's and Hamas' missiles and guerrillas. Israel could find itself suddenly attacked from 3 directions at the same time, with tens of thousands of missiles raining down on its cities and military bases, and tens of thousands of Iraqi tanks (meant to defeat and occupy huge Iran) pouring across its borders. As Israel starts to see its little sliver of land completely overrun, and sees that its total defeat is imminent and assured, in retaliation it could drop nuclear bombs on Baghdad, Damascus (Isaiah 17:1), Tehran, and other major cities of Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

There could be so many nuclear explosions sending so much radioactive dust and ash so high into the atmosphere that it could be blown eastward and fall on hugely-populated South Asia, ruining so many crop fields and immune systems there with radiation that 1/4 of the world's population could end up dying from the war and its aftermath of famines and epidemics. This could fulfill the horrible war which will begin the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which war will, with its aftermath of famines and epidemics, end up killing 1/4 of the world (Revelation 6:4-8). The "great sword" of this war (Revelation 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons. This war could be blamed not only on the religious fundamentalism of Islam and Judaism, but also on religious fundamentalism in general, and so could lead to a worldwide crusade against all forms of religious fundamentalism, including Christian fundamentalism, i.e. the (correct) idea that the Bible is wholly true (2 Timothy 3:16, Matthew 4:4) and that all other religions are cursed (Galatians 1:8-9, John 14:6, John 3:36, Acts 4:12).

After an Iraqi Baathist General who could lead the defeat and occupation of Israel and Egypt mysteriously disappears from the scene (Daniel 11:19), the Antichrist, who could be an Arab, could arise peacefully out of Lebanon (from the modern city of Tyre: Ezekiel 28:2; cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:4), and he could take up the mantle of Baathism and vow to (in his words) "complete the great work of Arab liberation and unification". The first thing that the Antichrist could do once he's given control (Daniel 11:21) of a Baathist confederation of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and a "United Palestine" (i.e. a defeated Israel), is to perform a small and localized attack against an army of ultra-Orthodox Jews holed up in the walled Old City of Jerusalem and led by an ultra-Orthodox Jewish false Messiah (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:22). They could have managed to hold off the first Baathist attack even as it overran the rest of Israel, because the walled Old City of Jerusalem is considered holy to the Muslims, and so it's not to be bombarded or destroyed. The Antichrist could manage in some way to take the Old City without doing it much harm.

Then, instead of executing all the ultra-Orthodox Jews and their false Messiah, the Antichrist will do an amazing thing. He will "cut" a peace treaty with them and their false Messiah (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:23), permitting them to keep a 3rd Jewish temple (Revelation 11:1) which they will have built on the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem, and to keep control of the Old City, for at least 7 more years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims so that the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. By this peace treaty, the Antichrist could present himself to the world as (in his words): "A reasonable man, a man of peace. I am no Hitler. I do not desire a second Holocaust. I am willing to give the religious Jews in the Old City seven years to show that they are willing to live peacefully with others, that they are different than the Zionist Jews who have just destroyed the world with their nuclear weapons".

And if the Antichrist gets flak from his fellow Baathists for letting the ultra-Orthodox Jews keep the Old City of Jerusalem, he could explain to them privately that (in his words) "It's all a temporary ruse, meant to keep world opinion off guard while we consolidate our position". The Baathists could consolidate their position by becoming so well dug-in, and so well equipped and advised militarily by the Russians (in the name of "Arab self-determination"), that a U.S. counter-attack to "restore" (i.e. to take back) Israel and Egypt could fail, and leave the Baathists in control, and in a position to extend their power over all the rest of the Arab nations. For if the Baathists defeat Israel, they will be hailed by the Arab masses as magnificent heroes, so that the Baathists could have no problem persuading the Arab masses to support them. And the Baathists could justify their defeat of the Egyptian military regime, and then their subsequent defeat of other regimes such as in Jordan, by railing against them as being (what they could call):

"These vile cronies of the Americans. These cronies pretended to be for the Arab people while in fact they were taking American bribes in the billions, completely selling out our Palestinian brothers to the endless cruelties of the Zionist occupation, and keeping you, the great majority of the Arab people, in poverty. These cronies, like the Zionists themselves, were the American bulwarks against our glorious Arab unification and return to world power. Join now with us, the Baathists, that we might bring about the long-awaited Arab Renaissance, the long-awaited Arab Resurrection [the Arab word 'Baath' can mean 'Renaissance' and 'Resurrection'], that we Arabs might all rise up together and unite, from Oman to Morocco, into one great United Arab States, one great Arab Empire, shaking off completely all the shackles of the West, placed upon us so long ago, and return to our former glory as we had during the Middle Ages, when we were free and far superior to the West".

The Baathists could also rail against the kings and sheikhs of the Arab Gulf States for (in their words) "hoarding the huge oil wealth given by Allah to all the Arabs, and keeping the Arab masses in poverty and subjugation to Western interests". The Baathists are socialist, and so could call for the distribution of the Arab oil wealth to the Arab masses (Daniel 11:24). In this way, and by their defeat of Israel, the Baathists could easily turn the masses to their side in every Arab nation.

During the first few years of the 7-year peace treaty referred to earlier, the Antichrist could employ Baathism as the means by which he will gradually and peacefully put together a United Arab States, or Arab Union, stretching from Oman to Morocco. Once he has accomplished this, he could then begin to downplay Baathism and start speaking of "world peace and the unity of mankind". He could convince an oil-thirsty European Union to let the oil-rich Arab Union join it, thereby forming a massive Mediterranean Union, which he could manage to peacefully gain control of and use as his base of power to eventually exert his hegemony over the entire earth (Revelation 13:7b).

Then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the Antichrist will break it, attack the 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices offered in front of it, and sit (at least one time) in the temple and proclaim himself God (Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). He will then rule the whole earth by the power of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon: Revelation 12:9) for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:14), or 1,260 literal days (Revelation 12:6). The return of Jesus Christ from heaven (Matthew 24:30, Revelation 19:11-21; 1 Thessalonians 4:16) may not occur immediately after the 1,260 days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign are over, but could occur 75 days later, on the 1,335th day after the Antichrist and his followers set up the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the 3rd Jewish temple (Daniel 12:11-12, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15). The 75 days could be taken up by the vials of God's wrath which will be poured out on the Antichrist's worshippers (Revelation 16).

When Jesus returns, he will completely defeat the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 19:20; 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9), and he will have Satan bound in the bottomless pit (Revelation 20:1-3). Then the returned Jesus and the bodily resurrected church (including those in the church who had been beheaded by the Antichrist) will reign physically on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:8-21).
 
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xXChristPeripheralXx said in post 2:

Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

This is also happening today, Iran (Persia) and Gog (Russia) are allies, and when combined with the rest of the countries in Ezekiel, are right now making preparations for a future attack on Israel.

If Psalms 83 wasn't referring to a threat against Israel in the time of Asaph (the author of Psalms 83), but to some future event, it may not happen until the Gog/Magog attack on Israel (Ezekiel chapters 38-39), which won't occur until after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-10), when there will be no defensive walls or fear of attack in Israel whatsoever (Ezekiel 38:11). This is the exact opposite of today's situation, when Israel is filled with very high defensive walls, and is in constant fear of attack. At the beginning of the millennium, all present-day weapons of war throughout the world will be destroyed, and they won't be allowed to be remade during the millennium (Micah 4:3-4). That's why after the millennium, the Gog/Magog armies will employ only rudimentary, wooden weapons like bows and arrows, spears, shields, and clubs (Ezekiel 39:9), which, after the defeat of the Gog/Magog armies, will be able to be used as convenient firewood by the people living in Israel at that time, instead of them having to go out and collect or cut down firewood from the forest (Ezekiel 39:10).

The Gog in Revelation 20:8 is the same as in Ezekiel chapters 38-39: an individual human leader whose personal name is "Gog" (Ezekiel 38:3). He could be born near the end of the millennium, and he will be killed and buried at the end of the Gog/Magog attack (Ezekiel 39:11). Both accounts of the attack show that the Gog/Magog armies will be completely defeated by fire from heaven (Ezekiel 38:22, Revelation 20:9). While the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15) will occur subsequent to the defeat of the Gog/Magog attack (Revelation 20:7-15), nothing requires (as is sometimes claimed) that the great white throne judgment has to happen immediately after the defeat of the attack. For there will be at least 7 years (Ezekiel 39:9b) between the defeat of the Gog/Magog attack and the great white throne judgment.

Also, the Gog/Magog attack won't have to (as is sometimes claimed) involve only the nations listed in Ezekiel chapters 38-39. Those nations could be just a sampling. For the "nations" (ethnos), or peoples, who will be involved in the Gog/Magog attack will come from all over the earth (Revelation 20:8). They will still be physically part of Jesus' worldwide kingdom, still legally under his rule, just as they had been during the preceding millennium (Psalms 72:8-11, Psalms 66:3, Psalms 2). But after the millennium, they will be deceived by Satan into committing the attack (Revelation 20:7-10).

Also, while the Gog/Magog attack on Israel won't occur until after the future millennium (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39), Israel could suffer a different attack at the start of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which attack could result in Israel's total defeat and occupation (Daniel 11:15-17).

And Jerusalem could be attacked in the future at least 3 times before the millennium: once near the start of the future tribulation (Daniel 11:22), then again mid-tribulation (Daniel 11:31), and then at the tribulation's end (Daniel 11:45), right before Jesus' 2nd coming and the start of the millennium (Zechariah 14:2-21).

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Amo 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

Thats how we know, because God said they would no longer be pulled up out of their land.

This is happening sooner than people have been led to believe..

Amos 9:15 could refer to what will happen at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 9:7, Amos 9:11). For Amos 9:14-15 was spoken before the taking of the northern kingdom of Israel into captivity (Amos 8:14, Amos 5:27) by the Assyrians in 722 BC. And so Amos 9:14-15 was spoken before the southern kingdom of Judah was taken into captivity by the Babylonians in 586 BC. But Amos 9:14-15 didn't apply to the post-Babylonian Captivity restoration of the Jews to their land in 538 BC, for that restoration was subsequently destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. So Amos 9:14-15 doesn't necessarily apply to the subsequent restoration of the Jews to their land in 1948 AD either. This restoration could be destroyed by the Baathists in a future war (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath"), at the start of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. Jesus will restore the Davidic kingdom of Israel (Luke 1:32b-33, Isaiah 9:7, Amos 9:11) at his 2nd coming (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21), which will occur immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8).
 
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You believe 10 kingdoms will form first Doug?

I do .. But not until after the false messiah comes ... 10 kingdoms of tje lost tribes of Israel will form... The kings of the north .. They are gentile kingdoms of Israel...since many believe Israel are Gentiles grafted in

I don't see a "ten kings" of Israel as being the fourth kingdom, in Daniel 7 or 2. How are you reasoning Israel as the fourth kingdom (Daniel 7)? I don't see how you are making any connection between Israel as being the fourth kingdom.

But yes, I think the ten kings kingdom will form first. Then the little horn. Maybe the first president of the United States of Europe.

One way they could do it is to form ten "states" (for lack of a better word), jurisdictions, some made up of three or four countries to get an equal population representation. I don't guess they can use "states" because the countries are already called states, but they will come up with some appropriate word.


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I don't see a "ten kings" of Israel as being the fourth kingdom, in Daniel 7 or 2. How are you reasoning Israel as the fourth kingdom (Daniel 7)? I don't see how you are making any connection between Israel as being the fourth kingdom.

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Let's say a false Jesus comes... He makes 10 kingdoms inside the old Roman Empire territory ..and they are said to be the lost tribes of Israel restored ...10 gentile kingdoms grafted in

Yet he himself will rule Judah .. He is king of both Judah and Israel .. Two horns

The little horn comes after the 10 gentile kingdoms are established... This false Jesus (prophet) leads all to receive the man of sin as god on earth..
 
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Let's say a false Jesus comes... He makes 10 kingdoms inside the old Roman Empire territory ..and they are said to be the lost tribes of Israel restored ...10 gentile kingdoms grafted in

Yet he himself will rule Judah .. He is king of both Judah and Israel .. Two horns

The little horn comes after the 10 gentile kingdoms are established... This false Jesus (prophet) leads all to receive the man of sin as god on earth..

You mean someone pretending to be Jesus himself? I don't see that in the prophecies of someone faking Jesus's Return because the scale is too large, and so many events precede it.

How is it going to be faked ahead of the false Jesus, of everyone having taken the mark of the beast or 666 ?

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You mean someone pretending to be Jesus himself? I don't see that in the prophecies of someone faking Jesus's Return because the scale is too large, and so many events precede it.

How is it going to be faked ahead of the false Jesus, of everyone having taken the mark of the beast or 666 ?

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Ww2 was a large scale war... And afterwards as time passed we are where we are today

No different with a large scale deception... Things will continue afterwards and the false messianic age will last for a season but long enough for 10 kingdoms to form and Babylon the great city to be built along with ezek temple

Then the true man of sin comes ..
 
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Ww2 was a large scale war... And afterwards as time passed we are where we are today

No different with a large scale deception... Things will continue afterwards and the false messianic age will last for a season but long enough for 10 kingdoms to form and Babylon the great city to be built along with ezek temple

Then the true man of sin comes ..

WW2 was not a deception though. It covered about 7 or 8 years.

For a false Jesus to appear and claim to be Jesus returned - and have any credibility, what events are going to have be faked first? That's the problem, those events are too wide known and too massive to be faked.


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WW2 was not a deception though. It covered about 7 or 8 years.

For a false Jesus to appear and claim to be Jesus returned - and have any credibility, what events are going to have be faked first? That's the problem, those events are too wide known and too massive to be faked.


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Not if most of the prophecies have been spiritualized and classified as fulfilled like preterist believe...
 
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Not if most of the prophecies have been spiritualized and classified as fulfilled like preterist believe...

How many Left Behind series books have been sold? And how many preterist books have been sold? If I could name one.

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How many Left Behind series books have been sold? And how many preterist books have been sold? If I could name one.

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That just means that there will be more opposition against the false messiah

Did you notice how many tribulation saints are seen in heaven? :) know what I mean
 
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They will create a false messiah ..I'm not sure how far the deception will go

But if it's a false Jesus .. They will use all powers signs and lying wonders

Revelation 18:23


And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

And sorceries ...
 
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