Prophecy as it pertains to real time events unfolding now.

[vinsight4u]

Do you think there will be a new world reserve currency? I wonder about such a thing as maybe getting shown to happen in the time of the third seal. I see the seals as conditions in Iraq. (seals 1-4) In the time of the first seal - the land was conquered - gained -the rider was king Faisal's time - as the first ruler of Iraq and the monarchy continued. The second seal is when the Iraqi land became divided - as in peace was taken from the land and the Iraqi rulers - people began to kill each other. I see the third seal as famine in Iraq - under a time of war /such as by the other nations, but this war time ends and Iraq prospers in a big way. It is as if a future ruler of Iraq (the man of sin) will tell the other nations not to hurt/destroy the oil and the wine. This would fit with the OT and Israel as to when God restores a land. The enemy is no longer eating the food of their land. It also can show that others --all of the other nations see this land as blessed. How could Iraq be so prosperous unless they have the new world reserve currency and sell more of their oil on the open market? The 4th seal is the time of another huge war, and the 5th seal is the time of the great tribulation - the little season. The 6th seal is when the resurrection of just happens/rapture of the church - as the Lord has returned and the people hide from His face.

1st seal - Iraq became a nation
2nd seal - Iraq can't get along with her own people.
3rd seal - Iraq has a famine time - but prospers big later.
4th seal - Iraq takes nations.
5th seal - the little season
This is when the two witnesses have been slain - and all martyrs must wait for the last of them to be slain before any of them can rise - before God will judge and avenge their blood.

6th seal -end of trib signs
sun black - sun darkened

 

[Interplanner]

You better answer that question whether there is "eschatology" to fit it or not!

 

[vinsight4u]

You better answer that question whether there is "eschatology" to fit it or not!

Are you saying that to me? Of course there is Scripture to show why I see the seals as showing those things. It all begins in Deuteronomy 32 where sealed is mentioned and a prophecy about a nation that has to come aganst Israel --after the days of the church got started. God had to reject the tribes and choose a new people ---to make them jealous.

This prophecy - this nation's rulers are laid up - sealed with Me.
So only the LORD could give the sealed book to the Lamb ---so He could open the prophecy involving this nation.

The first seal doesn't begin with a rider seen, until --John first heard a type of thunder.
The thunder is a way of showing that a nation is rising.

The first seal is a time of a rider on a white horse- and this rider gains a crown given to him. This fits with how Israel began her nation. It is about how one has the spirit of wisdom and with understanding - you get exalted to inherit the land and begin a people.

The second seal - would be the spirit of counsel and might.
To hold a great sword - one would need to be strong/have might.
It says - they kill one another.
The they would fit as to to the land just gained by the first seal rider as to where he was ruling.

The third seal - the spirit of knowledge.
This is a spirit that can be rejected, and if it is - then famine comes to a land. Plus,Iraq may be being punished for the innocent blood of the third seal that was shed in her land.
The second part of the third seal - now involves the time of all four of the beasts being in the same land/location.

a voice
in the midst of the four beasts
not - among the Lamb - or the 24 elders

John has been going back and forth to a land/Iraq to watch what happens there over time. After the first rider was seen, John returned back to heaven to watch the Lamb open the next seal.

The fourth seal rider - has - the voice.
This would mean that he spoke also in the time of the third seal.
a voice /the voice
2nd seal/3rd seal

The fourth seal is where Iraq takes land.
She is given many ways to kill a fourth part of the earth.
By having many ways, this would fit with the days of Babylon --where she came to destroy/scatter the land of Israel with famine, pestilence and
sword.
//fourth seal rider/s ===hunger, death, beasts of the earth, sword

5th seal - little season
last of the church martyrs get slain

6th seal - end of trib signs
Jesus Christ will be seen coming in great power and great glory!

 

[Interplanner]

Yes, the question about the world currency. The answer would not be in a "passage" but to have a place and network of people who could function outside of that currency's system. I believe that whether it is a prophecy passage or not. If enough people believe that, then it won't work apart from a gross violation of basic rights. But protection of basic rights is very high right now, maybe too high (in a case of 'the rights of homosexual parents').

 

[Interplanner]

Orwell use to say "The only dictatorships the Left is concerned about are those from the Right. If they are from the Left, it doesn't seem to matter." That is the problem of today.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Orwell use to say "The only dictatorships the Left is concerned about are those from the Right. If they are from the Left, it doesn't seem to matter." That is the problem of today.

No, sin is the problem today..

 

[Interplanner]

That's sin all right! There's no need to put "no" there unless you just don't understand. If Babylon is anything general and future, it is a dictatorship.

I do hope you are not partial to the intellectual and social "Left".

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

That's sin all right! There's no need to put "no" there unless you just don't understand. If Babylon is anything general and future, it is a dictatorship.

I do hope you are not partial to the intellectual and social "Left".

Lets try and keep with the op man, Im trying to keep the thread from getting off topic to much..

thx

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Do you think there will be a new world reserve currency? I wonder about such a thing as maybe getting shown to happen in the time of the third seal. I see the seals as conditions in Iraq. (seals 1-4) In the time of the first seal - the land was conquered - gained -the rider was king Faisal's time - as the first ruler of Iraq and the monarchy continued. The second seal is when the Iraqi land became divided - as in peace was taken from the land and the Iraqi rulers - people began to kill each other. I see the third seal as famine in Iraq - under a time of war /such as by the other nations, but this war time ends and Iraq prospers in a big way. It is as if a future ruler of Iraq (the man of sin) will tell the other nations not to hurt/destroy the oil and the wine. This would fit with the OT and Israel as to when God restores a land. The enemy is no longer eating the food of their land. It also can show that others --all of the other nations see this land as blessed. How could Iraq be so prosperous unless they have the new world reserve currency and sell more of their oil on the open market? The 4th seal is the time of another huge war, and the 5th seal is the time of the great tribulation - the little season. The 6th seal is when the resurrection of just happens/rapture of the church - as the Lord has returned and the people hide from His face.

1st seal - Iraq became a nation
2nd seal - Iraq can't get along with her own people.
3rd seal - Iraq has a famine time - but prospers big later.
4th seal - Iraq takes nations.
5th seal - the little season
This is when the two witnesses have been slain - and all martyrs must wait for the last of them to be slain before any of them can rise - before God will judge and avenge their blood.

6th seal -end of trib signs
sun black - sun darkened

The ultimate system is a fiat currency that is backed by nothing.

Giving the ruling regime full control over financial markets, rather than requiring actual equity.

If the Mark of the Beast is a digital device, it will be like money, but with no need to actually have money.

A fully unbacked system... Full slavery of modern society..

They wont need to back the new currency, you will lose your life if you dont play their game.

 

[vinsight4u]

It is way too early (many years so) for now to be soon the mark of the beast by the false prophet order.
Daniel 11 shows wars comes first it seems as to Israel and the robbers (Palestinians) and Egypt and Iraq war too. There seems to be a covenant at the end of this war with Iraq. Later, will come the vile person and change this covenant - he will confirm the covenant with many. He also overflows that prince of the earlier covenant.
He then later, in Daniel 11 goes to a peace table in the south/Egypt. All of this will take place before the abomination of desolation and mark/etc. being forced on people or it could mean death for them.

 

[ebedmelech]

It is way too early (many years so) for now to be soon the mark of the beast by the false prophet order.
Daniel 11 shows wars comes first it seems as to Israel and the robbers (Palestinians) and Egypt and Iraq war too. There seems to be a covenant at the end of this war with Iraq. Later, will come the vile person and change this covenant - he will confirm the covenant with many. He also overflows that prince of the earlier covenant.
He then later, in Daniel 11 goes to a peace table in the south/Egypt. All of this will take place before the abomination of desolation and mark/etc. being forced on people or it could mean death for them.

Pretty much missing the boat vinsight4u! Let me point some things out to you:

*When it comes to Daniel 11 anyone who reads that *should* be able to correlate that to the break up of Alexander the Great's Grecian Empire...because that's what it is. Doesn't matter your theology the historical facts back that up. Look it up. Has NOTHING to do with Iran today! The fact is Alexander the Great DEFEATED PERSIA...which includes Iran! That's what it is!

*When it comes to "confirming the covenant" think about these things Jesus said:
Matthew 18:21, 22:
21 Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus *said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.

Now Daniel tells us 70 weeks...(which really is seventy sevens of years) are decreed, which is 490 years. Why did Jesus tell Peter the forgiveness should be seventy times seven? That to is 490!!!

Jesus also confirmed the covenant when he ate the Passover with the disciples! Did our Lord not say "This cup is the NEW COVENANT in my blood"??

*Antiochus Epiphanes is the "vile person" of Daniel 11. Another historical fact which is recorded in 1 & 2 Maccabees. You night want to read that as well as the Jewish history and secular writings.

*When it comes to the "abomination of desolation"...are you familiar with Leviticus? because it is there the Lord God says who can enter the Holy of Holies...and without a doubt Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the sanctuary...and it was abominable to EVERY Jew...kind of go research why the Jews celebrate Hanukkah.

These things you mention...have happened! Which is why Jesus said IT IS FINISHED!!! What was He speaking of? It brings to mind what Daniel said in Daniel 9:24:
24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

Hebrew 1:3:
3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Also Hebrews 9:11, 12:
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

As we like to say today IT IS...WHAT IT IS!!!!

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

It is way too early (many years so) for now to be soon the mark of the beast by the false prophet order.
Daniel 11 shows wars comes first it seems as to Israel and the robbers (Palestinians) and Egypt and Iraq war too. There seems to be a covenant at the end of this war with Iraq. Later, will come the vile person and change this covenant - he will confirm the covenant with many. He also overflows that prince of the earlier covenant.
He then later, in Daniel 11 goes to a peace table in the south/Egypt. All of this will take place before the abomination of desolation and mark/etc. being forced on people or it could mean death for them.

Can you help me to arrive at your conclusion with scripture that I might understand from your point of view?

I think you are actually on to something here..

Especially when I read later on in Ezekiel about the building of the Temple.

I wonder, could it be that the Ezekiel war happens, only for the AC as a Man to bring about peace when its over? Allowing the Jews to build the temple?

Could the coming peace between Palestine and Israel be a front for the coming war?
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Things are really starting to add up..

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Pretty much missing the boat vinsight4u! Let me point some things out to you:

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

What was finished? What Jesus came to do, Die for the Sins of man, to pay for sin with his own Blood.

Lets not molest scripture to mean anything esle than what it means.


Moving along. Here is my personal commentary, and this is not as formal as I would like, but to help you understand my understanding.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins(Sin still abounds in this world), and to make reconciliation(Reconciliation for iniquity is judgement, which hasnt happened yet) for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness,(Everlasting righteousness is not here yet) and to seal up the vision and prophecy,(The prophecy hasnt all been fulfilled) and to anoint the most Holy.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:(total of 69 weeks) the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off(Slain),(62 weeks after the initial decree which took 7 weeks for a total of 69weeks) but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Dan 9:27 And he shall(Prince that shall come) confirm the covenant with many for one week:(70th week of Daniel) and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation(Rapture), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Prince that shall come (Never happened in History before)

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Pay attention to what is about to happen to you America. Every Great nation goes the way of nations past..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcPMMuTxva8

 

[ebedmelech]

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

What was finished? What Jesus came to do, Die for the Sins of man, to pay for sin with his own Blood.

Lets not molest scripture to mean anything esle than what it means.

Molest??? You do realize Jesus death did everything in Daniel 9:24...and that verse specifically says what happens in the seventy weeks? Take all the gospel accounts...you *might learn* something. Meantime engage you brain into what John the Baptist said of Jesus...that would be:
John 1:29
29 The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Moving along. Here is my personal commentary, and this is not as formal as I would like, but to help you understand my understanding.

Really? I'll respond..and we'll see.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins(Sin still abounds in this world), and to make reconciliation(Reconciliation for iniquity is judgement, which hasnt happened yet) for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness,(Everlasting righteousness is not here yet) and to seal up the vision and prophecy,(The prophecy hasnt all been fulfilled) and to anoint the most Holy.

Once again John the Baptist sad Jesus did what? "TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD" now when you're not thinking you would think that never happens UNTIL you realize what Jesus actually did. You really have no clue if you're saying Jesus didn't do that.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:(total of 69 weeks) the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

This did happen the resources are in your bible! Go read Ezra and Nehemiah. You might realize what some of the "troublous times" were. Then read historical accounts of 1 & 2 Maccabees and see how Jerusalem came under control of Antiochus Epiphanes and the temple was defiled. Understand why the Jews celebrate Hanukkah...it was because of troublous times!

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off(Slain),(62 weeks after the initial decree which took 7 weeks for a total of 69weeks) but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Let's see...the week we know is seven years...so the middle of 7 is 3.5. Unless I'm mistaken Jesus ministry was 3.5 years...and He went to the cross!!!

Dan 9:27 And he shall(Prince that shall come) confirm the covenant with many for one week:(70th week of Daniel) and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation(Rapture), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Prince that shall come (Never happened in History before)

The prince to come...hmmm...

*The king of Rome at this time is Emperor Vespasian. - FACT

*The Roman forces surrounding Jerusalem are commanded by Titus...who is Vespasian's son...who later became Emperor himself...guess that makes him a PRINCE..and where did he come to with his armies? JERUSALEM!!!

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Yep here is wisdom! What is John meaning by a mark on their right hand and forehead? Lets see hos God says it:

Exodus 13:9:
And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the Lord may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the Lord brought you out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 11:18
18 And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the Lord may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the Lord brought you out of Egypt.

This is what John means. The HAND is symbolic of what we do...the FOREHEAD is symbolic of how we think. *IF we are wlaking in obedience to the Lord...we don't have to say a word for people to know we are saints. Our thoughts and actions will give us away because we will not accept the deeds and thoughts of the world.

 

[SG9]

6 is the number given to man and beast.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


So, man and beast, or serpent are created on the 6th day. Satan comes in the form of a serpent.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(I mean really Eve, really..) I give women a hard time over this lol..


The number of the beast is 666.

6=Man (we know hes a man)
6=Serpent/Beast (we know he has the antichrist spirit)
6=?

That last one gets me..

Since this man is going to be the opposite of Christ, in sort of an "unholy trinity" then what are we missing?

7=God the Father
7=Son
7=Holy Spirit

6=God on earth (man)
6=Beast (born of AC spirit)
6=False Messiah? About all I can come up with..

This man will come to save the world as Christ, he will be a man, possessed by AC spirit.. Claiming to be God.

Hello my friend, I'd like to suggest a few things about these because I can't see continuity in the identities. I'll also word this to include hints from other familiar verses in the Bible that should help us to narrow this down in finer detail.

First we must have some ingredients and I'll list a few things, combing identities and related verses (paraphrased) to consider in the calculations.

I lettered them so that numbers aren't confused.
A. Godhead
B. Father
C. Son
D. Man/male
E. Serpent/Satan
F. Woman/female
G. Sabbath covenant~Joint heirs~'Christ-male-female'
H. neither male nor female are seen in Christ.
I. No man comes to the father except by me, Jesus said.

These are my ideas and subject to change. The 6 in the trio can be any of man, woman or beast as Satan, for he masquerades as an angel and also as men and women, all alike. Any person can have the devil's spirit, Satan is not particular. He will imitate the Holy things in every aspect and detail.

We can't go direct to the father but only by Christ, and we become joint heirs in the family, and no man has seen the father and lived but man has seen the Son, and if we have seen the Son we have also seen the Father. We are not allowed to see the Father directly, ever, until the great white throne judgment. IMO.

So this said, we must equate in Christ to be part of the Godhead which includes the Father and the totality is equal to the Godhead, but with the image of the Sabbath covenant and the resting (consummation) of the Son, (no Father here) the male and the female, and before they were separated and made man and woman.

Satan wants to counterfeit the Sabbath covenant and the entire experience in other ways that may be fulfilled in the natural sense to relate to the flesh in all deceptions. So it seems that any 6 cannot be God or any image of God.
Now, perhaps certain combinations might equate the man, woman and Satan to be exalted to the highest level possible and to put God down, and I suppose that Satan would try to counterfeit the Godhead but must also the Covenant in order to reach the top status.

At this point, I don't see anything that identifies a Holy Spirit alone, and I suppose that the Godhead covers the Spirit of the Father and the Son in imagery. So it seems that the 7 is the male, Christ and the female in this trio, 777. The male and female are equated and are not seen to be any different than Christ Himself, so this says that they all look alike, and no one is identified by gender but only by the one Spirit and Covenant that was made among the three of us, male, female and Christ.

I think I have covered the better part of my idea, so I'll try to fill in the lines with mine and try to be contiguous and in context with the Bible theme as a whole.

6= male
6= beast (man creates the beast by the power given him, man is the beast-spirit that substitutes the real Christ)
6= female

Satan would want to counterfeit the first Covenant made in Creation so let's include this idea as his agenda, in part. The numbers are all the same, Satan masquerades as any, man and woman are equated. Now, if this is an imitation of the authentic image of the Sabbath Covenant that is identified by the number 7, for the 7th day, then let's imagine a parallel to Satan's counterfeit and see if it's in harmony with Scriptures:

7= male
7= Christ
7= female

Okay, if we parallel the two sets it appears to coincide with the 7th day Sabbath Covenant that was made between male, female and Christ, and neither gender is then regarded when God sees them all as His children in the same Spirit. The genders identify and relate to flesh and the Covenant is identical identities as we are washed in the Blood of Christ, as the Covenant from the beginning and in the ending when He restores Eden at His return.

I suppose there's a lot more to explain but I hope that you can see what I suggest are important factors for a closer calculation. Thanks

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Hello my friend, I'd like to suggest a few things about these because I can't see continuity in the identities. I'll also word this to include hints from other familiar verses in the Bible that should help us to narrow this down in finer detail.

First we must have some ingredients and I'll list a few things, combing identities and related verses (paraphrased) to consider in the calculations.

I lettered them so that numbers aren't confused.
A. Godhead
B. Father
C. Son
D. Man/male
E. Serpent/Satan
F. Woman/female
G. Sabbath covenant~Joint heirs~'Christ-male-female'
H. neither male nor female are seen in Christ.
I. No man comes to the father except by me, Jesus said.

These are my ideas and subject to change. The 6 in the trio can be any of man, woman or beast as Satan, for he masquerades as an angel and also as men and women, all alike. Any person can have the devil's spirit, Satan is not particular. He will imitate the Holy things in every aspect and detail.

We can't go direct to the father but only by Christ, and we become joint heirs in the family, and no man has seen the father and lived but man has seen the Son, and if we have seen the Son we have also seen the Father. We are not allowed to see the Father directly, ever, IMO.

So this said, we must equate in Christ to be part of the Godhead which includes the Father and the totality is equal to the Godhead, but with the image of the Sabbath covenant and the resting (consummation) of the Son, (no Father here) the male and the female, and before they were separated and made man and woman.

Satan wants to counterfeit the Sabbath covenant and the entire experience in other ways that may be fulfilled in the natural sense to relate to the flesh in all deceptions. So it seems that any 6 cannot be God or any image of God.
Now, perhaps certain combinations might equate the man, woman and Satan to be exalted to the highest level possible and to put God down, and I suppose that Satan would try to counterfeit the Godhead but must also the Covenant in order to reach the top status.

At this point, I don't see anything that identifies a Holy Spirit alone, and I suppose that the Godhead covers the Spirit of the Father and the Son in imagery. So it seems that the 7 is the male, Christ and the female in this trio of 777. The male and female are equated and are not seen to be any different than Christ Himself, so this says that they all look alike, and no one is identified by gender but only by the one Spirit and Covenant that was made among the three of us, male, female and Christ.

I think I have covered the better part of my idea, so I'll try to fill in the lines with mine and try to be contiguous and in context with the Bible theme as a whole.

6= male
6= beast (man creates the beast by the power given him, man is the beast-spirit that substitutes the real Christ)
6= female

Satan would want to counterfeit the first Covenant made in Creation so let's include this idea as his agenda, in part. The numbers are all the same, Satan masquerades as any, man and woman are equated. Now, if this is an imitation of the authentic image of the Sabbath Covenant that is identified by the number 7, for the 7th day, then let's imagine a parallel to Satan's counterfeit and see if it's in harmony with Scriptures:

7= male
7= Christ
7= female

Okay, if we parallel the two sets it appears to coincide with the 7th day Sabbath Covenant that was made between male, female and Christ, and neither gender is then regarded when God sees them all as His children in the same Spirit. The genders identify and relate to flesh and the Covenant is identical identities as we are washed in the Blood of Christ, as the Covenant from the beginning and in the ending when He restores Eden at His return.

I suppose there's a lot more to explain but I hope that you can see what I suggest are important factors for a closer calculation. Thanks

Im glad you posted this here to contrast what Ive provided, Id like some time to review it, and again thanks for posting it here!

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Molest??? You do realize Jesus death did everything in Daniel 9:24...and that verse specifically says what happens in the seventy weeks? Take all the gospel accounts...you *might learn* something. Meantime engage you brain into what John the Baptist said of Jesus...that would be:
John 1:29
29 The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Really? I'll respond..and we'll see.

Once again John the Baptist sad Jesus did what? "TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD" now when you're not thinking you would think that never happens UNTIL you realize what Jesus actually did. You really have no clue if you're saying Jesus didn't do that.

This did happen the resources are in your bible! Go read Ezra and Nehemiah. You might realize what some of the "troublous times" were. Then read historical accounts of 1 & 2 Maccabees and see how Jerusalem came under control of Antiochus Epiphanes and the temple was defiled. Understand why the Jews celebrate Hanukkah...it was because of troublous times!

Let's see...the week we know is seven years...so the middle of 7 is 3.5. Unless I'm mistaken Jesus ministry was 3.5 years...and He went to the cross!!!

The prince to come...hmmm...

*The king of Rome at this time is Emperor Vespaian. - FACT

*The Roman forces surrounding Jerusalem are commanded by Titus...who is Vespasian's son...who later became Emperor himself...guess that makes him a PRINCE..and where did he come to with his armies? JERUSALEM!!!


Yep here is wisdom! What is John meaning by a mark on their right hand and forehead? Lets see hos God says it:

Exodus 13:9:
And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the Lord may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the Lord brought you out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 11:18
18 And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the Lord may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the Lord brought you out of Egypt.

This is what John means. The HAND is symbolic of what we do...the FOREHEAD is symbolic of how we think. *IF we are wlaking in obedience to the Lord...we don't have to say a word for people to know we are saints. Our thoughts and actions will give us away because we will not accept the deeds and thoughts of the world.

Powerful precept..
Lets discuss this, you have my attention here..

Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

What shall be a sign?

Exo 13:8 And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me(Salvation through Jesus Christ) when I came forth out of Egypt. 9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand.

So the testimony of Jesus Christ is identified as the mark of God.

Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

v 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (Jewish Remnant)





We are talking about the Mark of the Beast..

Could this be the Testimony of the False Christ?

 

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Powerful precept..
Lets discuss this, you have my attention here..

Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

What shall be a sign?

God's words.

Exo 13:8 And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me(Salvation through Jesus Christ) when I came forth out of Egypt. 9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand.

So the testimony of Jesus Christ is identified as the mark of God.

Indeed this is metaphor to Christians which John is using many metaphors that we find in the OT!

ReRev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

v 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

This seal is all about Gods people who are sealed by the Holy Spirit. Paul tells us this in many ways:
1 Corinthians 2:21, 22
21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God,
22 who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

Ephesians 1:13:
13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30:
30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

We are talking about the Mark of the Beast..

Could this be the Testimony of the False Christ?

The mark of the beast is the same thing only this is those of the world. The beast is Rome who rules the world at this time...and Roman Emperors demanded worship as gods. Those outside of Christ acknowledged this...however many Christian were killed for refusing to worship Caesar. No true Christian would do that.