Proper Christian Behavior Does Not Include

Floatingaxe · Jul 11, 2008

Texas Lynn said:
No basis for this assertion either.

The word of God, our authority given by Him, is the ONLY basis for my assertion. Nothing else holds water.

Personally I was against same gender marriage and felt no need for pushing it....rather typical I must say of my middle class upbringing. It was grassroots folks who pushed LGBT civil rights groups to press for it, which they finally did, reluctantly at first. I came to see the wisdom of their position as it affirms LGBT unions are every bit as holy as heterosexual marriages, which, they certainly are.

That is evidence of the compromise that occurs in those with shallow spiritual roots. There is nothing holy in circumventing the laws of God. It is completely anti-God to consider something vile and degrading as something holy.

Floatingaxe · Jul 11, 2008

Ohioprof said:
What "perverse acts" do you accuse me of committing? What "homosexual acts" are you imagining that I commit?

The "marriage bit" is supported by my church. My church honors and performs same-sex marriages. And this "absurd" institution you call the "marriage bit" between same-sex spouses is now legally recognized in a growing number of nations, including yours.

Your church is not the Church of Jesus Christ.

Same-sex marriage is crammed down right-thinking people's throats, but that is because we live in a secular society which denies Jesus Christ. That is par for the course.

But believers around the globe are united in the fact that God is not in this type of mindset or legislation. It is the antichrist spirit---yes, even in churches, and especially in Universalist churches, and the UU churches. so, you cannot rise up in pride proclaiming your church embraces this immorality, because it is against God in the first place in its beliefs.

Floatingaxe · Jul 11, 2008

savedandhappy1 said:
Hi Floatingaxe,

Good to see you. It has been awhile, because there has been so much going on since my mother went home to be with the Lord.

I ask you and all my brothers and sisters to pray for a dear family who lost their wife, mother, grandmother, sister, daughter, and a dear friend to me today. She didn't know she had a brain aneurysm and it blew last Thursday while her and her husband were out eating supper. The damage was so bad............anyhow she past today at 3 PM. Please ask for comfort from the Lord for her family and friends. It was so sudden, and I will miss her alot, so you can imagine how her family feels.

Thanks for remembering the post I was speaking of and standing as a witness to the fact that I wasn't trying to do any of the things that I have been accused of.

Again good to see you. God Bless.

Blessings, sister. My sympathies at the passing of your dear mother. I am familiar with the missing...

My condolences at the loss to you of your dear friend. To be sure I will pray for the survivors, as this kind of sudden loss is a shock to all. I am also familiar with that.... hard, but Jesus gives us peace that passes all understanding! That is my prayer for you all, that you will rise above it all and soar like the eagle who lifts high and glides above the storms.

Leah · Jul 11, 2008

Floatingaxe said:
Your church is not the Church of Jesus Christ.

Same-sex marriage is crammed down right-thinking people's throats, but that is because we live in a secular society which denies Jesus Christ. That is par for the course.

But believers around the globe are united in the fact that God is not in this type of mindset or legislation. It is the antichrist spirit---yes, even in churches, and especially in Universalist churches, and the UU churches. so, you cannot rise up in pride proclaiming your church embraces this immorality, because it is against God in the first place in its beliefs.

Well!

Just take a good look around you and you'll see that what FloatingAxe said is true!

Ohioprof · Jul 11, 2008

Floatingaxe said:
Your church is not the Church of Jesus Christ.

Same-sex marriage is crammed down right-thinking people's throats, but that is because we live in a secular society which denies Jesus Christ. That is par for the course.

But believers around the globe are united in the fact that God is not in this type of mindset or legislation. It is the antichrist spirit---yes, even in churches, and especially in Universalist churches, and the UU churches. so, you cannot rise up in pride proclaiming your church embraces this immorality, because it is against God in the first place in its beliefs.

So my "perverse acts" are belonging to a church whose members disagree with you?

My church, btw, does not cram anything down anyone's throats. People in my church are free to embrace whatever theological doctrines they wish. We are about as far from cramming anything as a church can get! I do not think we have "the antichrist spirit." We are not against Jesus, and many UUs are Christians. Many UUs hold different beliefs than you do, but that's not having the "antichrist spirit."

Are you opposed to religious liberty and religious pluralism?

Ohioprof · Jul 11, 2008

Imana said:
Well!

Just take a good look around you and you'll see that what FloatingAxe said is true!

So you applaud Floatingaxe for denouncing my church? Is that the Christian spirit, to denounce churches because they are different from one's own church?

Is supporting and welcoming gay people in one's church really the "antichrist spirit," as Floatingaxe has suggested? Do you agree with her on this?

Ohioprof · Jul 11, 2008

Phinehas2 said:
Dear Ohioprof,
The Bible does say homosexual offenders a Biblical translation is a Bible! All reliable Bible translations say homosexuals, homosexual offenders, men abusers of men, sodomites, etc.
Do you speak Greek? Are you an expert in ancient Greek? If not how can you judge a translation wrong?

A colleague in the office near mine is a classicist and a professor of Greek and Latin. He teaches ancient history also. He says that "homosexual offenders" is, in his judgment, a mistranslation.

jamielindas · Jul 11, 2008

Ohioprof said:
A colleague in the office near mine is a classicist and a professor of Greek and Latin. He teaches ancient history also. He says that "homosexual offenders" is, in his judgment, a mistranslation.

Does your colleague share the view that it is actually referring to gay rape and prostitution? I've heard this mentioned many times.

jamielindas · Jul 11, 2008

Phinehas2 said:
Dear Ohioprof,
The Bible does say homosexual offenders a Biblical translation is a Bible! All reliable Bible translations say homosexuals, homosexual offenders, men abusers of men, sodomites, etc.

you do realize that 'men abusers of men' implies something beyond homosexuality. (as does homosexual offenders)
Also... the greeks didn't have a word for homosexuals as a noun

Do you speak Greek? Are you an expert in ancient Greek? If not how can you judge a translation wrong?

dead2self · Jul 11, 2008

jamielindas said:
This sounds like you are advocating (government sanctioned) unfair treatment for anyone who you believe has sinned.
What about all the people that believe YOU have sinned? Christians aren't the only people in the word. Would you be comfortable with unfair treatment because the Jewish faith things you've sinned? If Muslims believe that you have sinned and should be killed (i know, i'm being dramatic), how would you feel about this?

Excuse me? How do I sound like I advocate the unfair treatment? I do not and never said I did. I completely fail to see the connection anyway given what you quoted. I was simply agreeing that I had mispoken. ANd regarding the people who think I have sinned, please read my posts before you insult me. I have stated several times in THIS thread that I view my sins as equal to or greater than those of anyone else here. I was heavily into pornography for many years. I am a sinner.

this is the problem when you start trying to make the state enforce religious doctrine. the question quickly becomes WHOSE religious doctrine?
How does a previously secular government choose to enforce one religion over another?

And how on earth did we get to this topic ???

see... the founding fathers already thought this one through and decided that government should stay out of it. Instead they would protect the individuals' rights to live their OWN life as they see fit and moral as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's right to live their life as they see fit.

Interesting....irrrelevant, but interesting....

Is my being gay preventing anyone from being christian?
Is my marrying a guy preventing anyone else from being moral?
Is my having sex with a guy causing you to sin?

I have the right to sin (in your eyes) as long as I'm not violating your rights.

Of course you are free to sin. I never said you were not. It is most certainly your right.

jamielindas · Jul 11, 2008

dead2self said:
Excuse me? How do I sound like I advocate the unfair treatment? I do not and never said I did. I completely fail to see the connection anyway given what you quoted. I was simply agreeing that I had mispoken. ANd regarding the people who think I have sinned, please read my posts before you insult me. I have stated several times in THIS thread that I view my sins as equal to or greater than those of anyone else here. I was heavily into pornography for many years. I am a sinner.

And how on earth did we get to this topic ???

Interesting....irrrelevant, but interesting....

Of course you are free to sin. I never said you were not. It is most certainly your right.

clearly i had misread your post and attributed something someone else had said to you... my mistake. my apologizes.
I had misinterpreted what you said as you saying that people should not be standing up for the equal rights of homosexuals, which is not what you said. You were saying that some of the people who do stand up for equal rights can be very picky about word choice. I skimmed to quickly and jumped to the defensive.

dead2self · Jul 11, 2008

jamielindas said:
clearly i had misread your post and attributed something someone else had said to you... my mistake. my apologizes.
I had misinterpreted what you said as you saying that people should not be standing up for the equal rights of homosexuals, which is not what you said. You were saying that some of the people who do stand up for equal rights can be very picky about work choice. I skimmed to quickly and jumped to the defensive.

No problem friend, these things happen. Just gald to hear I didn't say something else I had not intented to.

Hentenza · Jul 11, 2008

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