Propaganda Machine

[Lanakila]

The problem is, they haven't offered anything different.
They are against everything being done.

So I haven't seen anything to show me someone better to vote for. I will be voting against Voinovich in Ohio. But we need to flush the political toilet and get new people in there. Because the majority of the politicians are more concerned with their power and not the American people. Not Democrat, not Republican.

I am close to changing my party to Independant. Because one party is tax and spend and the other is borrow and spend.
Everyone accuses Bush of being pro-business, well all
politicians want their business to do well, so they keep their money coming.
Everyone in Washington is interested in bringing home money for their state, needed or not.
So play your little games of Democrats are better, or Republicans are better.
9-11 happened because Clinton and both Bush's failed.
The economy went bad, because Clinton failed it, and Bush had to pick it up, with Tax cuts, his failure was increasing spending along with cutting taxes.(we had more money come in since tax cuts, but not enough to pay for the spending)

Illegals have been flooding in our country for over 30 years(since I was able to understand what an ilegal was.) This is not a new "crisis".

Drug entitlements: definately a socialist entitlement.
Universal health care: another socialist entitlement.

It's time the people demand leadership from our parties,(because they make the rules, no third party will work.
neither side will allow a 3rd party.)
Until we realize the politicians aren't serving either side, they will continue to play both sides against the middle.

One side might win, but nothing will change.

You are so right. I am also an Independent, and I have no clue who to vote for, I only know who to vote against.

 

[Lanakila]

chalice_thunder quote
This is a personal war that Bush sent them in to fight.

Response
The Iraq war was authorized by the Congress of the United States, by an almost unanimous vote of both Democrats and Republicans. Congress has passed every budget appropriation for the Iraq War since then.

John Kerry ran a political campaign saying that the Iraq war was the right thing but that President Bush was not executing the war correctly. John Kerry was defeated.

If the democrats ever get back in control of the government, they will probably try to get 9/11 removed from the history books.

I am not sure that anything is going to change your mind, but I thought I would state this for the record.

It's like the advice of not trying to teach a pig how to sing, first it will not work, and second it annoys the pig.

9/11 is indelibly, irreversibly a part of the history of the US, just like the death of JFK, or the Civil War.

It is hard for the country to vote against a sitting president during wartime, and yet Kerry didn't do as poorly as he could have, considering the times. There is an ideological divide in this country with it almost even between those who want more Government intervention in our lives, and those that want more freedom. The national, and local media does reflect that divide to a degree. But, mostly they just sensationalize the stories that will draw the most customers. If it bleeds it leads is the policy. This isn't an atheisitc liberal conspiracy of the news media, its a money making enterprise, just like any business. The idea of an unbiased media is ridiculous, and most even super conservatives don't want an unbiased media. They just want the media to reflect their own personal biases, and that is why Fox News has grown in popularity.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Everyone should always be suspicious of the government as they should any powerful organization such as the Atheistic liberal news and entertainment industry. However, the government is voted into position but the executives of the Atheistic liberal news and entertainment industry are not. There is not check and balance relative to the Atheistic liberal news and entertainment industry and no accountability. Dan Rather is still employed by CBS.

I've noticed that you keep rambling on about the Atheistic liberal news and entertainment industy, as if "Atheist" was some kind of insult -- which I'm sure you intend it to be.

Setting that aside for the moment, why do you insist on point out that news and entertainment is Atheistic? Assuming it's even true, is it relevent?

 

[Nathan Poe]

The Iraq war was authorized by the Congress of the United States, by an almost unanimous vote of both Democrats and Republicans. Congress has passed every budget appropriation for the Iraq War since then.

Based on information provided to them by President Bush -- whose success rate is on par with the Psychic Friends Network.

If the democrats ever get back in control of the government, they will probably try to get 9/11 removed from the history books.

Ooo... don't forget the part about the Democrats eating aborted fetuses and using the Bible as toilet paper...

Don't go soft on the Propaganda yet -- there's so much more you can say!

 

[Nathan Poe]

It is hard for the country to vote against a sitting president during wartime,

Had to jump in right here -- with the current NeoCon school of thought that criticizing a wartime president is akin to treason, what incentive does Bush II have to end the war?

he's more or less insulated, and has carte blanche to do as he pleases -- when you're riding the gravy train, why shoot the conductor?

 

[chalice_thunder]

chalice_thunder quote
This is a personal war that Bush sent them in to fight.

Response
The Iraq war was authorized by the Congress of the United States, by an almost unanimous vote of both Democrats and Republicans. Congress has passed every budget appropriation for the Iraq War since then.

John Kerry ran a political campaign saying that the Iraq war was the right thing but that President Bush was not executing the war correctly. John Kerry was defeated.

Congress did not have the details that the administration had. The Downing Memos prove that they were trying to gin up faulty evidence.

If the democrats ever get back in control of the government, they will probably try to get 9/11 removed from the history books.

Hyperbole much?

I am not sure that anything is going to change your mind, but I thought I would state this for the record.

It's like the advice of not trying to teach a pig how to sing, first it will not work, and second it annoys the pig.

I'm a singer by vocation.
oink

 

[spdnet75]

I think the fact that Bush has been in office this long and nobody in his administration bothered to tell him that there is no such thing as a "Nuculer weapon" pretty much says it all.
( Nuclear ) -and my Dad didn't even buy me a degree from Yale!

 

[susanann]

You are so right. I am also an Independent, and I have no clue who to vote for, I only know who to vote against.

Constitution Party.

 

[susanann]

It is hard for the country to vote against a sitting president during wartime,

It is even harder when there is no peace candidate running as an alternative.

 

[clirus]

Nathan Poe quote
I've noticed that you keep rambling on about the Atheistic liberal news and entertainment industy, as if "Atheist" was some kind of insult -- which I'm sure you intend it to be.

Setting that aside for the moment, why do you insist on point out that news and entertainment is Atheistic? Assuming it's even true, is it relevent?

Response
The term Atheistic is just an adjective that describes one of the most relevant aspects of what is going on in America.

The following is my contention. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic lifestyle by getting democrats back in control of government.

The only thing that stands in the way of the Atheistic lifestyle is the Christian religion.

There is a cultural war in America. The war is between Atheists and Christians. Politics is the battleground and the battle is decided in the voting booth. Between battles there is a constant stream of propaganda from the Atheistic liberal news and entertainment industry.

 

[blueapplepaste]

Nathan Poe quote
I've noticed that you keep rambling on about the Atheistic liberal news and entertainment industy, as if "Atheist" was some kind of insult -- which I'm sure you intend it to be.

Setting that aside for the moment, why do you insist on point out that news and entertainment is Atheistic? Assuming it's even true, is it relevent?

Response
The term Atheistic is just an adjective that describes one of the most relevant aspects of what is going on in America.

The following is my contention. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic lifestyle by getting democrats back in control of government.

The only thing that stands in the way of the Atheistic lifestyle is the Christian religion.

There is a cultural war in America. The war is between Atheists and Christians. Politics is the battleground and the battle is decided in the voting booth. Between battles there is a constant stream of propaganda from the Atheistic liberal news and entertainment industry.

Oh no! Clirus figured out our secret plan. Once the Dems take over the government, everyone will be required to renounce Christianity, be in a homosexual marriage for a minimum of 5 years, watch at least 3 hours of porn every day, and all girls will be required to have at least 5 abortions by their 18th birthday. Oh yeah, and capitalism will be a thing of the past; hello Communist States of America!! And Michael Moore will be crowned Emperor and all that will play on TV's are Jane Fonda movies. Hooray! It'll be awesome!

 

[Nathan Poe]

Response
The term Atheistic is just an adjective that describes one of the most relevant aspects of what is going on in America.

Even if I agreed with this -- which I do not -- it's still completely irrelevent to the topic being discussed here.

The following is my contention. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats.

Rubbish -- when was the last time the media reported anything good about Atheists? Or anythign at all about them, for that matter?

This is just a smokescreen to conflate "Christian," "Conservative," and "Republican" into a single monolithic entity, which is clearly not the case.

The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic lifestyle by getting democrats back in control of government.

And your proof of this is where, exactly?

The only thing that stands in the way of the Atheistic lifestyle is the Christian religion.

As exemplified by it's current Champion, George W. Bush, right?

There is a cultural war in America. The war is between Atheists and Christians. Politics is the battleground and the battle is decided in the voting booth. Between battles there is a constant stream of propaganda from the Atheistic liberal news and entertainment industry.

And you don't have a shred of evidence for such paranoid ravings -- You're not the first person to claim God on your side, and not the first to whine about persecution.

Do you really think the negative press concerning the war in Iraq is the result of an Anti-Christian Conspiracy?

 

[tulc]

Do you really think the negative press concerning the war in Iraq is the result of an Anti-Christian Conspiracy?

Man, wouldn't that be nice? If all those people getting killed and maimed for no apparent reason was just some fake news conspiracy to make Bush and company look bad I would be delighted! Unfortunatly the coffins and destroyed lives are all to real and people wishing they would be safely hidden away so we don't have to see them and America can just enjoy this usless war instead of seeing the price being paid in blood by both sides isn't going to happen. And blaming the very people who said "uhmmm maybe this isn't such a good idea." for the debacle doesn't change a thing.
tulc(could use a very strong cup of coffee right now)

 

[tulc]

I'm reminded of something I found on line:

As excited as I am to be here with the president, I am appalled to be surrounded by the liberal media that is destroying America, with the exception of Fox News. Fox News gives you both sides of every story: the president's side, and the vice president's side. But the rest of you, what are you thinking, reporting on NSA wiretapping or secret prisons in eastern Europe? Those things are secret for a very important reason: they're super-depressing. And if that's your goal, well, misery accomplished.
Over the last five years you people were so good -- over tax cuts, WMD intelligence, the effect of global warming. We Americans didn't want to know, and you had the courtesy not to try to find out. Those were good times, as far as we knew.
But, listen, let's review the rules. Here's how it works: the president makes decisions. He's the Decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration. You know - fiction!
Because really, what incentive do these people have to answer your questions, after all? I mean, nothing satisfies you. Everybody asks for personnel changes. So the White House has personnel changes. Then you write, "Oh, they're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic." First of all, that is a terrible metaphor. This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring. If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!

found here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/30/1441/59811
tulc(been a fan of Mr Colbert for quite some time now!)

 

[clirus]

Nathan Poe quote
Do you really think the negative press concerning the war in Iraq is the result of an Anti-Christian Conspiracy?

Response
Absolutely

If the democrats were to take control of the government, America would instaneously be winning the War in Iraq and New Orleans would be well on the road to recovery.

Dan Rather created the fake documents to try to prevent Bush from being reelected. Dan Rather is still an employee of CBS News. Almost every major news organization has been involved in an attempt to discredit President Bush. Television shows are being produced that are intended to promote feminism and homosexuality and to question Christianity. I cannot prove they are Satan worshipers, but they certainly are carrying out the work of Satan.

 

[tulc]

I cannot prove they are Satan worshipers, but they certainly are carrying out the work of Satan.

LOL! LOL!
tulc(...oh wait...you were serious again?)

 

[Nathan Poe]

Nathan Poe quote
Do you really think the negative press concerning the war in Iraq is the result of an Anti-Christian Conspiracy?

Response
Absolutely

And here's where I regret selling my stock in tinfoil. The world is screaming for a hat shop.

If the democrats were to take control of the government, America would instaneously be winning the War in Iraq and New Orleans would be well on the road to recovery.

Well, we agree on part of that -- New Orleans would at least see some relief.

Not to politicize the matter, but during the reign of George I, FEMA was a cushy job for government stooges. One need look only as far as Hurricane Andrew's impact on Florida to see what would be the biggest example of FEMA's ineffectiveness until Katrina.

Say what you will about Clinton (and I know you will) but at least he knew how to put good people in charge. Under his presidency, FEMA actually had an ounce of competence, and was able to handle disasters quickly and efficiently -- Their respones to the OKlahoma city bombing is an example of what an agency like FEMA can do if properly managed.

Alone comes Bush II, and we see more cronyism, first in the abysmal response to 9/11, and again to Katrina.

As for the war, well, at this point it's a nigh-hopeless quagmire, which will suck US money, men, and resorces for at least the next decade, regardless of who's in charge.

Would democrats do better? I personally think yes because I can't imagine for the life of me how they could do worse.

Dan Rather created the fake documents to try to prevent Bush from being reelected.

Evidence, please...

Dan Rather is still an employee of CBS News.

Because the folks at CBS don't fire people over rumors.

Almost every major news organization has been involved in an attempt to discredit President Bush.

Almost every news organization has printed the ugly truth -- with the possible exception of FOX News.

Here's a thought exercise for you: Suppose you were in charge. What would you propose to do with the networks involved in this alleged "conspiracy"?

For that matter, what would you propose to do with the people involved?

Television shows are being produced that are intended to promote feminism and homosexuality and to question Christianity.

Are feminism and homosexuality evil things? Do they frighten you?

Entertainment should promote discussion -- no idea worth having should panic at the thought of being questioned.

Are you afraid of questions?

I cannot prove they are Satan worshipers, but they certainly are carrying out the work of Satan.

You might as well call them Satan worshippers -- you certainly haven't let lack of proof stop you yet.

 

[Nathan Poe]

LOL! LOL!
tulc(...oh wait...you were serious again?)

If nobody's already done so, I'm calling Poe's Law on this one.

 

[tulc]

If nobody's already done so, I'm calling Poe's Law on this one.

Agreed!
tulc(that's one law I have no trouble with!)

 

[Nightson]

If nobody's already done so, I'm calling Poe's Law on this one.

Clirus is unfortunately, all to real.