John 15:
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.
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John 15:You think that the Lord Jesus Christ covenant death on behalf of His people is preposterous presumption?? What are you think with such a statement?
Do you struggle to understand that when Jesus declared it is finished that He actually accomplished redemption on behalf of all the Father gave to Him.
Yes..good verse. What do you think it is teaching as salvation cannot be lost once it is finishedJohn 15:
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.
You don't mean once it is finished,Yes.. (John 15:1+) good verse. What do you think it is teaching as salvation cannot be lost once it is finished
It is with my most profound regret that
It is with my most profound regret that
I cannot put all spiritual Truth in every post.
Please refer to these verses written to believers:Don't you see your post is on the need to keep confessing sin that you will be committing? That is extreme Arminianism, and error.
Care to elaborate or just submit your opinion without any elaboration or scriptural backing?I think scripture speaks for itself. You lose that argument, big time.
Care to elaborate or just submit your opinion without any elaboration or scriptural backing?
You ignore that salvation in the NT is described in past, present and future tenses. We have obtained salvation, we presently have salvation and we will have salvation - IF certain conditions are met - namely ongoing belief and ongoing obedience. I refer you to Rom 8:13.There are no hints of partial salvation.
Thanks for the invitation to go over it again.
Psalm 51:2
Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin!
Matthew 23:26
You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.
1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
2 Corinthians 7:1
Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.
Hebrews 9:14
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Psalm 51:7
Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Ezekiel 36:25
I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you.
John 15:3
Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
John 3:16-17
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Matthew 5:48
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from
all unrighteousness.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
2 Corinthians 5:21
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Psalm 51:10
Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.
Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
Acts 22:16
And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’
John 15:3
Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.
Acts 10:15
And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”
Psalm 51:10
Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.
James 4:8
Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Ezekiel 36:25
I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you.
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
Isaiah 1:16
Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes; cease to do evil,
Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Psalm 119:1-176
Blessed are those whose way is blameless, who walk in the law of the Lord! Blessed are those who keep his testimonies, who seek him with their whole heart, who also do no wrong, but walk in his ways! You have commanded your precepts to be kept diligently. Oh that my ways may be steadfast in keeping your statutes! ...
Leviticus 10:10
You are to distinguish between the holy and the common, and between the unclean and the clean,
So you can ignore my references. I can't stop that.You ignore that salvation in the NT is described in past, present and future tenses. We have obtained salvation, we presently have salvation and we will have salvation - IF certain conditions are met - namely ongoing belief and ongoing obedience. I refer you to Rom 8:13.
You can stop it if you paid any attention to Rom 8:13 which contradicts your slew of verses. I can wait for your interpretation of that verse if you like.
And that list proves no partial salvation?There are no hints of partial salvation.
Thanks for your observation. My question though is how can the "sins past over' were forgiven when the cross was not yet instituted? In other words, before the cross, there was no blood of Jesus to propitiate for sin. So how can those past sins said to be forgiven through His blood?You might want to do a deeper study of that verse, even though your conclusion might be right Ro. 3;25 does not support it look at the NIV translation as an example: Ro.3:25
God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—
The sins "before hand" are not your past sins, but sins prior to the cross being contrasted with sins after the cross which are "punished" (disciplined). These "sins" past over were sins committed by forgiven individuals repenting and seeking God's forgiveness. A lot more can be said in support of that interpretation.
mistaken reply, apologyAnd that list proves no partial salvation?
Sorry, you'll have to go back to kindergarden
and begin your education all over again!
May I bless you by sending you a NT?
Please!
I said it fails to hint.And that list proves no partial salvation?
Sorry, you'll have to go back to kindergarden
and begin your education all over again!
May I bless you by sending you a NT?
Please!
Thanks for your observation. My question though is how can the "sins past over' were forgiven when the cross was not yet instituted? In other words, before the cross, there was no blood of Jesus to propitiate for sin. So how can those past sins said to be forgiven through His blood?
The verse plainly states that the propitiation of Jesus' blood applies to our past sins only. God does not exist in time but our sins certainly do, so your logic is fallacious.God does not exist in time. So there are no time-clock problems from His end.
People have their brains melting over these timing issues.
Salvation, answered prayer, time in hell, the 2nd comming, pre-trib, post trib, mid trib, never ends for those worried about timing.
Please refer to these verses written to believers:
1 John 1:7-9
and
2 Corinthians 7:8-10 "godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation"
Now to the valid point of the impossibility
of keeping up with the repenting, it is
one's heart attitude before the Lord
that is of extreme importance!
Sorrow over sin, sorrow over displeasing Father God
and Jesus, desiring to confess/repent, etc.
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