Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

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The death of Jesus purchased us back to the Father, and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Themselves are making sure that none are ever lost again!

While saying that sounds good on the surface, telling folks that they are saved by God's grace and it is in nothing they do can lead a person to wrongfully think God's grace is a license for immorality (if you don't explain yourself properly every time). I say this because most likely you will fail to answer this question correctly.

Was King David saved while he was committing his sins of adultery and murder?

If you say "yes" then you are telling folks that they can sin and still be saved on some level (Thereby turning God's grace into a license for immorality). However, Jude 1:4 warns about those who turn God's grace into a license for immorality.

 

[bcbsr]

Yes, it is both faith and performance. Your performance shows your true faith. Just as if a man who says he is sorry to his wife does not cheat on his wife as a genuine confession that he is truly sorry. A person who is not truly sorry over their sins with God is going to keep trying to justify their sin in some way. Just as the man who says to his wife that he is sorry that he cheats on her and does not stop.

The porch chair example should have made this clear to you. But you are not wanting to see it.

So are you trusting that you're going to be a good enough person to be saved? Is your trust in your own performance to save you? For if your salvation is contingent upon your ongoing performance then you are trusting in your own performance to save you.

 

[Lost4words]

Jesus knew we would still sin. We are human, weak and of the flesh.

He gave us a way to ask and be forgiven. He said that to follow Him we would have to pick up our crosses.

I thank God for His forgiveness. For giving me a firm direction to turn to when i fall. A strong arm to lean on when i have to stand up and continue on this journey.

 

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So are you trusting that you're going to be a good enough person to be saved? Is your trust in your own performance to save you? For if your salvation is contingent upon your ongoing performance then you are trusting in your own performance to save you.

To some extent, so do you, unless you don’t believe you have to continue to believe in Jesus and or you believe that a Christian can be saved all while be an axe murdering rapist their whole lives (just because they have a belief on Jesus).

 

[Karola]

Lets directly address the subject matter of the thread-in detail. Did Jesus die to forgive your past sins/are only your past sins forgiven. I guess we will find out who are the fundamentalist Christians here:

Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4

Therefore if you observe the law/do works of the law you do not commit sin according to the biblical definition of sin. If you fail to observe the law you do commit sin.
So the question is, does the bible tell us we have no righteousness of(or justification of)
observing the law/works of the law/not committing sin? If it does, that is only possible if Jesus died for all your sins, not just past sins. Paul gives us the answer:

For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed – a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,(the whole of your Christian life) just as it is written: ‘The righteous will live by faith. Rom1:17

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by observing the law/not committing sin; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. Rom3:20 NIV 1984


21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith inh]'>[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. verses21&22. You sin by transgressing the law.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Rom10:4

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified Gal2:16

not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith ina]'>[a] Christ – the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith Phil3:9

The life I now(as a Christian) live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!’ Gal2:20&21

But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect for ever those who are being made holy Heb10:12-14

For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. Heb9:24-26

 

[Lost4words]

Romans 3:23
23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

1 John 1:7-9
7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[BCsenior]

Jesus intercedes for His own, and the Holy Spirit seals his own, so God will loose none!

Okay, here's the question of the day!
Why do Americans think "lose" is spelled "loose"?
I see it all the time!
Not spiritually this time, but physically.

Kinda reminds me of our/their heart and our/their life.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No. Not true, my friend.

[While interceding for Israel, Moses said,]

"Alas, this people has committed a great sin, and they have made an elohim of gold for themselves. But now, if you will, forgive their sin — and if not, please blot me out from your book which you have written!" (Exodus 32:32).​

[In response,] the LORD said to Moses,

"Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot him of my book." (Exodus 32:33).​

That is very interesting I will have to review that later. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

 

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That is very interesting I will have to review that later. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

You are most welcome.
Pray over this and other verses like it, brother;
In situations that I am challenged by in Scripture, I pray and seek out a bunch of articles on the topic. I ask God to show me the truth, and He comes through for me (every time).

 

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Jesus knew we would still sin. We are human, weak and of the flesh.

Jesus said to two people, “Sin no more.” (See John 5:14, John 8:11).

He gave us a way to ask and be forgiven. He said that to follow Him we would have to pick up our crosses.

What happens if we don’t pick up our crosses and deny ourselves? Jesus says we are not worthy of Him if we don’t do those things.
So while we can ask to be forgiven, it is not a mere paying of lip service with no change in one’s life (or without them forsaking sin) (Compare 1 John 1:9 with 1 John 1:7). See Proverbs 28:13. Also see Matthew 12:41 and compare it with Jonah 3:6-10.

I thank God for His forgiveness. For giving me a firm direction to turn to when i fall. A strong arm to lean on when i have to stand up and continue on this journey.

Technically, there would be no falling or sinning if one believes all future sin is forgiven them by having a belief on Jesus. But Scripture teaches that only past sin is forgiven us. If we sin we have to repent and bring forth fruits worthy of repentance. Otherwise, the axe is laid to the root of the tree.

 

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Romans 3:23
23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

This is talking about how everyone has sinned at one point in their life. Christians have all sinned as a part of our old life, but this is not talking about the believer’s present walk with God. For if you believe Romans 3:10 and Romans 3:23 applies to the present current walk of the believer, then you must also believe Romans 3:11 is saying that Christians do not have any understanding and they don’t seek after God, too.

“There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.” (Romans 3:11).
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[Lost4words]

This is talking about how everyone has sinned at one point in their life. Christians have all sinned as a part of our old life, but this is not talking about the believer’s present walk with God. For if you believe Romans 3:10 and Romans 3:23 applies to the present current walk of the believer, then you must also believe Romans 3:11 is saying that Christians do not have any understanding and they don’t seek after God, too.

“There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.” (Romans 3:11).
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There is no one on earth without sin. This is why we have to turn to God and repent when we sin. Remember, Jesus gave us the 'Our Father' prayer.

"Forgive us our trespasses".

 

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7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

No doubt you are primarily referring to 1 John 1:8.

However, what is helpful in understanding 1 John 1:8 is looking at it's immediate context. 1 John 1:10 says if we say we have not sinned. 1 John 1:10 moves verse 8 (which is present tense) into a past declaration (with verse 10). Verse 10 is saying there are people who said they have not sinned (past tense). This is clearly a gnostic belief. Most believers today hold to the idea that they have sinned at some point in their life (Regardless of whether they are an OSAS believer or a Conditional Salvationist). 1 John 1:8 is a present declaration of sin. It is saying if we say we have no sin when we do sin (present tense). This has to be the interpretative understanding of this verse because 1 John 2:4 says if we say we know Him and do not keep His commandments we are a liar and the truth is not in us. The OSAS's interpretation on 1 John 1:8 does not work because it conflicts with a normal reading on 1 John 2:3-4. You cannot always be in sin (breaking God's commands) as a part of 1 John 1:8 and yet also fulfill 1 John 2:3 that says we can have an assurance of knowing Him if we keep His commandments. Especially when 1 John 2:4 says we are a liar and the truth is not in us if we break his commandments. In other words, if the OSAS interpretation on 1 John 1:8 was true, then I would be damned if I do by obeying God's commands (1 John 1:8) and yet I would be damned if I don't by not obeying God's commands (1 John 2:4).

In fact, the New English Translation says this for 1 John 1:8,

"If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." (1 John 1:8 NET).​

In other words, this verse is saying that if a person sins and says they do not bear the guilt of sin (in the sense that they will not have to face any wrath or Judgment from God over their sin) then they would be deceiving themselves and the truth would not be in them. This is exactly what the Eternal Security proposes. They are saying that they do not bear the guilt of any sin (destruction of their soul and body in hell fire) if they do sin because they believe their sins are paid for: Past, present, and future by Jesus. They are saying, they do not bear the guilt or the punishment of sin at the final Judgment because of their belief on Jesus. In short, 1 John 1:8 is a denial of the existence of sin on some level. “If we say we have no sin (in the sense that it does not exist) we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.” (1 John 1:8). Christian Scientists think sin is an illusion and does not exist at all. So this verse would apply to them. Eternal Security Proponents and those who deny that “Sin Can Separate a Believer from God” deny the existence of sin partially. They believe sin exists physically but they do not believe sin exists for them on a spiritual level because Jesus has forgiven them of all their sin by their belief on Jesus. In fact, to see just how silly your argument actually is for 1 John 1:8, you would have to believe that you are sinning right now at this very moment in order for such a verse to be true because 1 John 1:8 is speaking in the present tense.

 

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There is no one on earth without sin. This is why we have to turn to God and repent when we sin. Remember, Jesus gave us the 'Our Father' prayer.

"Forgive us our trespasses".

Seeking forgiveness is not a mere paying of lip service. A husband who cheats on his wife and says, “I am sorry” (to his wife) but he does not change is not really sorry. The same is true with God.

 

[Lost4words]

Seeking forgiveness is not a mere paying of lip service. A husband who cheats on his wife and says, “I am sorry” (to his wife) but he does not change is not really sorry. The same is true with God.

True but how many times will God forgive?

Matthew 18:21-22
21 Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.

Also, to travel any distance one has to take that first step. God awaits with open arms. Like the prodigal son, the father waits for him to return.

Some people cannot change overnight. God is patient. God is merciful.

 

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True but how many times will God forgive?

Matthew 18:21-22
21 Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.

Also, to travel any distance one has to take that first step. God awaits with open arms. Like the prodigal son, the father waits for him to return.

Some people cannot change overnight. God is patient. God is merciful.

I understand that and I fully agree; But I don’t think Christians should say that they are saved solely by God’s grace with no works of faith because a true faith is always shown to be genuine in time by good deeds and not evil deeds. This would include preaching a gospel that does not make room for allowance for turning God’s grace into a license for immorality on any level. We cannot say that future sin is paid for because it can lead people to treat God’s grace as a license to sin (Whether we want that to happen or not). Just one grievous sin that is not repented of can lead to spiritual death. Adam and Eve died spiritually by their one sin. Ananias and Sapphira died spiritually and physically because of one sin.

 

[Lost4words]

I understand that and I fully agree; But I don’t think Christians should say that they are saved solely by God’s grace with no works of faith because a true faith is always shown to be genuine in time by good deeds and not evil deeds. This would include preaching a gospel that does not make room for allowance for turning God’s grace into a license for immorality on any level. We cannot say that future sin is paid for because it can lead people to treat God’s grace as a license to sin (Whether we want that to happen or not). Just one grievous sin that is not repented of can lead to spiritual death.

I dont believe in once saved always saved. We need to truly repent and ask forgiveness every time we fall.

 

[bcbsr]

To some extent, so do you, unless you don’t believe you have to continue to believe in Jesus and or you believe that a Christian can be saved all while be an axe murdering rapist their whole lives (just because they have a belief on Jesus).

Wrong again. Those who come to faith in Christ don't work to continue to believe, just as we who have been born of God are incapable of living a lifestyle of sin. It's because of the nature of regeneration, and not a matter of human effort, unlike what you say. "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1John 3:9

And the scriptures indicate that those who "fall away" were never really of the faith to begin with as it is written, "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." 1John 2:19

 

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Wrong again. Those who come to faith in Christ don't work to continue to believe, just as we who have been born of God are incapable of living a lifestyle of sin. It's because of the nature of regeneration, and not a matter of human effort, unlike what you say. "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1John 3:9

And the scriptures indicate that those who "fall away" were never really of the faith to begin with as it is written, "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." 1John 2:19

Uh huh. What is your interpretation on 1 John 1:8? Do you not believe the OSAS interpretation on this verse that says that a Christian will always be in sin of some kind? Granted, that is not what the verse is saying.

Do you believe King David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder?

 

[Lost4words]

Wrong again. Those who come to faith in Christ don't work to continue to believe, just as we who have been born of God are incapable of living a lifestyle of sin. It's because of the nature of regeneration, and not a matter of human effort, unlike what you say. "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1John 3:9

And the scriptures indicate that those who "fall away" were never really of the faith to begin with as it is written, "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." 1John 2:19

Wrong. We all sin. We all need forgiveness.