Proof that Vedic culture was practiced by the whole world

[Ram]

Sanatana dharma concentrating at only one place is affect of kali yuga and hence God's wish. When it was universal in previous yuga's still this place called Bharat(india) must be looked as roots of this eternal philosphy. thats why this root is still strong and alive, ofcourse its branches don't exist now due to affects of this evil yuga. every yuga has its own laws and plays.

The continental drifts make any geographical correspondences weak. There are ppl who argue that the Srilanka where Ravana lived is actually Australia, which has drifted due to continental drift. If, in an earlier yuga, all continents were joined together as stated by modern science, it makes sense for people to have had a common culture. Unfortunately, it is not easy to establish that human race existed in earlier yugas and vanished and appeared cyclically, and no scientist will put his money in this theory.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

The continental drifts make any geographical correspondences weak. There are ppl who argue that the Srilanka where Ravana lived is actually Australia, which has drifted due to continental drift. If, in an earlier yuga, all continents were joined together as stated by modern science, it makes sense for people to have had a common culture. Unfortunately, it is not easy to establish that human race existed in earlier yugas and vanished and appeared cyclically, and no scientist will put his money in this theory.

What is your take on the aboriginies of Australia and the adi dravida tribes of Tamil Nadu?

Do you find any similarities among them?

I don't remember correctly but I have heard it somewhere.

 

[rahul_sharma]

The continental drifts make any geographical correspondences weak. There are ppl who argue that the Srilanka where Ravana lived is actually Australia, which has drifted due to continental drift. If, in an earlier yuga, all continents were joined together as stated by modern science, it makes sense for people to have had a common culture. Unfortunately, it is not easy to establish that human race existed in earlier yugas and vanished and appeared cyclically, and no scientist will put his money in this theory.

Sanatana dharma is still there with same basics as they were present originally. science is moving towards it after every new discovery...weather it is Cosmology , Human history , Quantum physics or any other.

True Scientific laws never cares weather anybody believes in them or not

 

[Ram]

What is your take on the aboriginies of Australia and the adi dravida tribes of Tamil Nadu?

Do you find any similarities among them?

I don't remember correctly but I have heard it somewhere.

What is your definition of a dravidian? If the Aryan invasion theory is incorrect, I think all Indians are Aryans or Dravidians?

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

What is your definition of a dravidian? If the Aryan invasion theory is incorrect, I think all Indians are Aryans or Dravidians?

My bad, I should have said "the so-called Dravidians".

I stand corrected.

What I actually meant was "the tribal peoples of Tamil Nadu" whose physical features are distinct from fellow Tamil plaindwellers.

 

[rahul_sharma]

can anybody tell me where these so called dranvidians live and what is there % ? How there basic hindu beliefs different from rest of India?

 

[Ram]

Sanatana dharma is still there with same basics as they were present originally. science is moving towards it after every new discovery...weather it is Cosmology , Human history , Quantum physics or any other.

Scientific laws never cares weather anybody believes in them or not

Yeah, I agree. Science will keep changing but not the religion. Still Hindus should not be proclaiming that man roamed the earth 100 million years ago until evidence is obtained. As of now, there is no evidence of human race in the present form to have existed 300,000 years ago. It is quite possible, scientists are wrong, but until they are proved wrong there is no point in stating facts without proof, just because it is there in a book. Of course, we beleive in it, but I find some Hindus are even projecting these things in scientific conferences which can only bring disrepute to the religion.(like some christians still claiming the earth to be 7000 years old)

 

[Ram]

My bad, I should have said "the so-called Dravidians".

I stand corrected.

What I actually meant was "the tribal peoples of Tamil Nadu" whose physical features are distinct from fellow Tamil plaindwellers.

Do you mean Tamil Brahmins to be Aryans and non brahmins as dravidians in this context? What is Tamil plain dwellers? Or are you referring to the Nilgiri tribals etc?

 

[rahul_sharma]

Yeah, I agree. Science will keep changing but not the religion. Still Hindus should not be proclaiming that man roamed the earth 100 million years ago until evidence is obtained. As of now, there is no evidence of human race in the present form to have existed 300,000 years ago. It is quite possible, scientists are wrong, but until they are proved wrong there is no point in stating facts without proof, just because it is there in a book. Of course, we beleive in it, but I find some Hindus are even projecting these things in scientific conferences which can only bring disrepute to the religion.(like some christians still claiming the earth to be 7000 years old)

these are Spiritual scientific beliefs and should be projected only in Spiritual disscussions. ofcourse we believe in this and will continue to believe. We should feel good science is moving in right direction slowly and slowly.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Do you mean Tamil Brahmins to be Aryans and non brahmins as dravidians in this context? What is Tamil plain dwellers? Or are you referring to the Nilgiri tribals etc?

I am not telling that Tamil Brahmins are Aryans because I am against such a categorization and I am proud of my Tamil than Sanskrit. I am just saying that there are some tribal peoples living in the hills of Tamil Nadu who have differences in physical features with respect to other Tamils.

My intention is not at all to start a discussion about Aryan/dravidian issues.

My interest was in finding out if there are any similarities between the aboriginies of Australia and some mountaiondwelling tribes of Tamil Nadu.

Racism is not intended here.

 

[Ram]

can anybody tell me where these so called dranvidians live and what is there % ? How there basic hindu beliefs different from rest of India?

It is my personal belief that Brahmins in TamilNadu are the true dravidians as opposed to the one touted by political parties like DMK. I have worked up enough evidence and will post it later. Just a summary,

Brahmins in Tamil Nadu have a significant cultural difference from the rest of India.
Non Brahmins in Tamil Nadu share a lot of things in common with the rest of India.

Some brief evidence:

1. In Tamil Nadu, Brahmins are known as "parpans" or "seers" which meant they were originally ascetic people not taking meat food. North Indian brahmins are not strict plant eaters.

2. If you take many rituals like marriage, South Indian brahmins dont wear a turban. Non brahmins wear a turban like thing as in North Indian marriages.

3. The husband is refferred to by the wife in a south Indian non brahmin as Attan, which is a corrupted form of Ayyautha in Prakrit ( Aryavrata in sanskrit). Tamil Brahmin women dont call their husbands like that.

Will show more evidence later...there is a lot of stuff in this area.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

It is my personal belief that Brahmins in TamilNadu are the true dravidians as opposed to the one touted by political parties like DMK. I have worked up enough evidence and will post it later. Just a summary,

Brahmins in Tamil Nadu have a significant cultural difference from the rest of India.
Non Brahmins in Tamil Nadu share a lot of things in common with the rest of India.

Some brief evidence:

1. In Tamil Nadu, Brahmins are known as "parpans" or "seers" which meant they were originally ascetic people not taking meat food. North Indian brahmins are not strict plant eaters.

2. If you take many rituals like marriage, South Indian brahmins dont wear a turban. Non brahmins wear a turban like thing as in North Indian marriages.

3. The husband is refferred to by the wife in a south Indian non brahmin as Attan, which is a corrupted form of Ayyautha in Prakrit ( Aryavrata in sanskrit). Tamil Brahmin women dont call their husbands like that.

Will show more evidence later...there is a lot of stuff in this area.

Nice research.

Answers to my questions???

 

[Ram]

Nice research.

Answers to my questions???

Actually I dont have an opinion on the relationship between Australian aborigines and the Tamil tribals, though it is quite possible. As I said before, I do not beleive the "so called dravidians" are the tribals in Tamil Nadu, instead of the brahmins. It is only a political game to cause rift between brahmins and non-brahmins of political parties like the DMK. Infact I hate names like Dravida, Aryan etc. Why cant we be just Indians? It is just dividing people.

I hope you are aware of the character zha in tamil. 99% of non-brahmins cannot pronounce that character correctly and prnounce it as La. All brahmins can utter it correctly, like pazham which is always called paLam by non-brahmins. It tamil is the not the native language of the brahmins, from whom did they learn zha. ( from "dravidians" who do not possess it?).

My father is a professional Indologist ( in addition to being a sanskrit, english, tamil and malayalam scholar and a professor in mathematics). I am an amateur indologist and work part time with my father. We have conclusive evidence regarding the orgin of dravidians and even presented proof in conferences. It is too early for me to divulge all our research here...

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Actually I dont have an opinion on the relationship between Australian aborigines and the Tamil tribals, though it is quite possible. As I said before, I do not beleive the "so called dravidians" are the tribals in Tamil Nadu, instead of the brahmins. It is only a political game to cause rift between brahmins and non-brahmins of political parties like the DMK. Infact I hate names like Dravida, Aryan etc. Why cant we be just Indians? It is just dividing people.

I hope you are aware of the character zha in tamil. 99% of non-brahmins cannot pronounce that character correctly and prnounce it as La. All brahmins can utter it correctly, like pazham which is always called paLam by non-brahmins. It tamil is the not the native language of the brahmins, from whom did they learn zha. ( from "dravidians" who do not possess it?).

My father is a professional Indologist ( in addition to being a sanskrit, english, tamil and malayalam scholar and a professor in mathematics). I am an amateur indologist and work part time with my father. We have conclusive evidence regarding the orgin of dravidians and even presented proof in conferences. It is too early for me to divulge all our research here...

I also don't like to categorize people into Aryan and Dravidian.

But the fact remains that there are some tribals(like the Todas of Nilgiris) in mountain regions who are differenet from other Tamils.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Well, I dont have any problems if it is established that Vedas came from outside. It is the people that matter not the place. The Bharatvarsha as referred to in the vedas refers only to the human birth. Dont leave the Bharatavarsha as used in those days against sea travel actually meant dont leave your human birth( dont de-evolve) which was misinterpreted in the mediveal period to stop Indians from going abroad.

There is nothing specially sacred about the place called India. How can eternal truths like the vedas have affinity with a geographic location? The whole world belongs to the creator and every spot ion earth s equally sacred. It is the Hindu Philosophy or the Sanathana dharma that is sacred, and it does not matter who originated it and where.

Like you I too would like to beleive however, there was no aryan migration and the oldest civilizations existed in India and vedas originated here. I do not personally think vedic culture(in ritual form) flourished over the entire world, maybe parts of it. But the vedic philosophy is universal.I do not think we must try to interpret Ramayana as a history because it cannot be validated. Ramayana is technically jnana yoga, and that is how I read it. Mahabaratha, on the other hand dates only to 3000 BC and with good research it might be possible to find historic evidence. The main problem with Indian history is if you put King Yudhistira at 3200 B.C and a few kings that followed him, there is no further historical record until about 1500 B.C. These 2000 missing years are the biggest problems in establishing the story of Mahabaratha and earlier Indian history.

Swami Vivekananda's take on the whole issue of Vedic and Indian sacredness:

"Our archaeolgist dreams of India being full of dark-eyed aborigines, and the bright Aryan came from-the Lord knows where. According to some, they came from Central Tibet, other will have it that they came from Central Asia. There are patriotic Englishmen who think that the Aryans were all red-haired. Others, according to their idea, think that they were all black-haired. If the writer happens to be a black-haired man, the Aryans were all black-haired. Of late, there was an attempt made to prove that the Aryans lived on the Swiss lakes. I should not be sorry if they had been all drowned there, theory and all. Some say now that they lived at the North pole. Lord bless the Aryans and their habitations! As for the truth of these theories, there is not one word in our scriptures, not one, to prove that the Aryan ever came from anywhere outside of India, and in ancient India was included Afghanistan.

My take:

I would not have respected the Vedas as much as I did if not for the Indian context in which I read it. Everything about Sanatana dharma loses its appeal to me when 'India' is taken out of the picture. If I am gven only one option to choose whether Shiva is sacred or India, I'd choose India in a heartbeat. Shiva will be proud of me.

 

[sanaa]

yes theres a story that goes about a little kid who is forced to choose between his teacher and God , he chooses his teacher telling God that the teacher was the one who taught me about u . he was blessed

but we must aim to choose God over everythin else

 

[Ram]

Swami Vivekananda's take on the whole issue of Vedic and Indian sacredness:

"Our archaeolgist dreams of India being full of dark-eyed aborigines, and the bright Aryan came from-the Lord knows where. According to some, they came from Central Tibet, other will have it that they came from Central Asia. There are patriotic Englishmen who think that the Aryans were all red-haired. Others, according to their idea, think that they were all black-haired. If the writer happens to be a black-haired man, the Aryans were all black-haired. Of late, there was an attempt made to prove that the Aryans lived on the Swiss lakes. I should not be sorry if they had been all drowned there, theory and all. Some say now that they lived at the North pole. Lord bless the Aryans and their habitations! As for the truth of these theories, there is not one word in our scriptures, not one, to prove that the Aryan ever came from anywhere outside of India, and in ancient India was included Afghanistan.

My take:

I would not have respected the Vedas as much as I did if not for the Indian context in which I read it. Everything about Sanatana dharma loses its appeal to me when 'India' is taken out of the picture. If I am gven only one option to choose whether Shiva is sacred or India, I'd choose India in a heartbeat. Shiva will be proud of me.

I appreciate your love for the country and hope people like BOOK also do the same. But ask an American , he will say his country is unique. Ask a Pakistani he will claim there is nothing like his. It is just an emotion. Every inch on earth is as unique as its creator.

"Vasudaiva kudumbakam " = The whole world is one family. (under sanatana darma)

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

I appreciate your love for the country and hope people like BOOK also do the same. But ask an American , he will say his country is unique. Ask a Pakistani he will claim there is nothing like his. It is just an emotion. Every inch on earth is as unique as its creator.

"Vasudaiva kudumbakam " = The whole world is one family. (under sanatana darma)

What is personal devotion to God, if not also just an emotion?

Or is devotion to God something logical and intellectual?

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

The prioritisation of religion over the motherland dilutes a child's right to occupy pride of place in its mother's lap.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

"Namaste Sada Vatsale Matrubhoome" (My salutation to you, loving Motherland).

"janani janmabhumishca svargadapi gariyasi(mother and motherland are greater even than heaven).

aryaavartam paramam pavitram.