Proof that Vedic culture was practiced by the whole world

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

I may not agree with the idea that Vedic religion was practised from Japan to Scandinavia but the black stone in the Kabaa intrigues me.

 

[rahul_sharma]

I can believe this because 3 Yuga's have already passed before current kali yuga according to hindu belief and we really don't know clearly what happend in those ancient ages.
Eternal Vedic Dharma was not started 5000 years ago but it started reorganizing (5000 years ago) after destruction caused due to transformation from Dwaper Yuga to Kali yuga.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Whatever I may agree with or not, I will never agree with the theory that the Vedic peoples originated in the Russian steppes and entered India.


That theory has no basis and is being questioned at seriously in historical circles.

 

[off_world_beings]

Born to lose....where is that quote from?
Thanks

 

[off_world_beings]

Sorry !!!!. I meant 'Born to Live'.........sorry, I must be projecting myself :-/

 

[rahul_sharma]

Whatever I may agree with or not, I will never agree with the theory that the Vedic peoples originated in the Russian steppes and entered India.


That theory has no basis and is being questioned at seriously in historical circles.

i don't think any sane scholar believes this aryan invasion theory now. More and more people are discarding it after new findings and studies.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Born to lose....where is that quote from?
Thanks

The first one is from Isa(Lord) Upanishad and the second one is from Kena(by whom?) Upanishad.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Sorry !!!!. I meant 'Born to Live'.........sorry, I must be projecting myself :-/

You were right the first time.

I am indeed Born_to_Lose....
....but I Live_to_Win

and that's the way I like it baby
I don't wanna live forever...LOL

 

[off_world_beings]

I may not agree with the idea that Vedic religion was practised from Japan to Scandinavia but the black stone in the Kabaa intrigues me.

What is that Black Stone anyway?
Are there any photos of it anywhere to be found?

 

[Ram]

i don't think any sane scholar believes this aryan invasion theory now. More and more people are discarding it after new findings and studies.

Well, history is decided by ppl who wield power. It is not always scientific and often biased. It is a normal practice to push down dates in the Indian history and accord older dates to other civilizations. When the Indus valley civilization was discovered in the early 20th century, they found it dated very old, so the British stopped funding its excavation(who wants to add credit to India's ancient civilization) . These regions are now in Pakistan which is not so keen to establish the ancient Indian history. When India becomes a super power at some point in future, the truth will come to light in face of unbiased research.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

i don't think any sane scholar believes this aryan invasion theory now. More and more people are discarding it after new findings and studies.

You are right Rahul.

But there are people who in their excitement to promote the Vedas completely leave India behind as though the Vedas originated in Iran or Russia and then came to India.

That is the tendency I am guarded against.

I don't want to prove that Vedas pervaded the entire world.

But I am unshakeable in my faith that Vedas and India cannot be separated from each other.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Well, history is decided by ppl who wield power. It is not always scientific and often biased. It is a normal practice to push down dates in the Indian history and accord older dates to other civilizations. When the Indus valley civilization was discovered in the early 20th century, they found it dated very old, so the British stopped funding its excavation(who wants to add credit to India's ancient civilization) . These regions are now in Pakistan which is not so keen to establish the ancient Indian history. When India becomes a super power at some point in future, the truth will come to light in face of unbiased research.

Exactly.

In fact, it was the German Max Mueller who gave an arbitrary date(of course a little bit later than the date of Judaism) to the Rig Veda. It is so laughable when we think about it now.

 

[rahul_sharma]

When India becomes a super power at some point in future, the truth will come to light in face of unbiased research.

you are right but nothing will change as long as we have Left and Congress mentality powerfull in India. nobody is more anti-hindu than these so called hindus.

 

[Ram]

You are right Rahul.

But there are people who in their excitement to promote the Vedas completely leave India behind as though the Vedas originated in Iran or Russia and then came to India.

That is the tendency I am guarded against.

I don't want to prove that Vedas pervaded the entire world.

But I am unshakeable in my faith that Vedas and India cannot be separated from each other.

Well, I dont have any problems if it is established that Vedas came from outside. It is the people that matter not the place. The Bharatvarsha as referred to in the vedas refers only to the human birth. Dont leave the Bharatavarsha as used in those days against sea travel actually meant dont leave your human birth( dont de-evolve) which was misinterpreted in the mediveal period to stop Indians from going abroad.

There is nothing specially sacred about the place called India. How can eternal truths like the vedas have affinity with a geographic location? The whole world belongs to the creator and every spot ion earth s equally sacred. It is the Hindu Philosophy or the Sanathana dharma that is sacred, and it does not matter who originated it and where.

Like you I too would like to beleive however, there was no aryan migration and the oldest civilizations existed in India and vedas originated here. I do not personally think vedic culture(in ritual form) flourished over the entire world, maybe parts of it. But the vedic philosophy is universal.I do not think we must try to interpret Ramayana as a history because it cannot be validated. Ramayana is technically jnana yoga, and that is how I read it. Mahabaratha, on the other hand dates only to 3000 BC and with good research it might be possible to find historic evidence. The main problem with Indian history is if you put King Yudhistira at 3200 B.C and a few kings that followed him, there is no further historical record until about 1500 B.C. These 2000 missing years are the biggest problems in establishing the story of Mahabaratha and earlier Indian history.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Well, I dont have any problems if it is established that Vedas came from outside. It is the people that matter not the place. The Bharatvarsha as referred to in the vedas refers only to the human birth. Dont leave the Bharatavarsha as used in those days against sea travel actually meant dont leave your human birth( dont de-evolve) which was misinterpreted in the mediveal period to stop Indians from going abroad.

There is nothing specially sacred about the place called India. How can eternal truths like the vedas have affinity with a geographic location? The whole world belongs to the creator and every spot ion earth s equally sacred. It is the Hindu Philosophy or the Sanathana dharma that is sacred, and it does not matter who originated it and where.

Like you I too would like to beleive however, there was no aryan migration and the oldest civilizations existed in India and vedas originated here. I do not personally think vedic culture(in ritual form) flourished over the entire world, maybe parts of it. But the vedic philosophy is universal.I do not think we must try to interpret Ramayana as a history because it cannot be validated. Ramayana is technically jnana yoga, and that is how I read it. Mahabaratha, on the other hand dates only to 3000 BC and with good research it might be possible to find historic evidence. The main problem with Indian history is if you put King Yudhistira at 3200 B.C and a few kings that followed him, there is no further historical record until about 1500 B.C. These 2000 missing years are the biggest problems in establishing the story of Mahabaratha and earlier Indian history.

Can't argue with your view Ram. Of course Vedas are universal.

But India is emotional, and I do not want to change my opinion even if Lord Krishna comes and tells me to get over it already.

 

[Ram]

you are right but nothing will change as long as we have Left and Congress mentality powerfull in India. nobody is more anti-hindu than these so called hindus.

Congress? I presume this is their last term in office for the near future.
Left - who?

 

[rahul_sharma]

Sanatana dharma concentrating at only one place is affect of kali yuga and hence God's wish. When it was universal in previous yuga's still this place called Bharat(india) must be looked as roots of this eternal philosphy. thats why this root is still strong and alive, ofcourse its branches don't exist now due to affects of this evil yuga. every yuga has its own laws and plays.

 

[Ram]

But India is emotional, and I do not want to change my opinion even if Lord Krishna comes and tells me to get over it already.

<cough>

So it is for me too.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Congress? I presume this is their last term in office for the near future.
Left - who?

The Left is the most anti-national. In fact Sitaram Yechury is an agent for China

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

Sanatana dharma concentrating at only one place is affect of kali yuga and hence God's wish. When it was universal in previous yuga's still this place called Bharat(india) must be looked as roots of this eternal philosphy. thats why this root is still strong and alive, ofcourse its branches don't exist now due to affects of this evil yuga. every yuga has its own laws and plays.

In fact 50 million years ago, there was not even the Himalaya mountains because India had not yet collided with Asia. India has started its journey from near the south pole to its current location today.