Proof that Vedic culture was practiced by the whole world

[Om_Krishna]

http://www.salagram.net/VWH-World.html

I found this interesting researching the proof that Vedic culture was once prevalent worldwide. All our Puranas, Itihas, and the Vedas talk about Vedic kings being the controlling authority of the Whole world. i.e. Yudhishthir Maharaj, Parikshit Maharaj etc. and that the whole world followed Vedic religion and spoke one language i.e. Sanskrit. I have read some fine books on the subject matter, and this one too has some very practical day-to-day proofs of Sanskrit and Vedic cultures influence in the whole world. I am trying to reproduce some relevant texts from the book. "Proof of Vedic Cultures Global Existence" by Stephen Knapp.

Here are some excerpts of the names of various countries and places, which have direct relationship with Sanskrit, and I am sure you will find it very thought provoking. We can also use the same in our preaching process.

[size=+1]Vedic influence in Britain[/size]
In the book The Aryans by V Gordon Childe relates how after 2000 BC people who had background with Indus Valley Civilization conquered Britain, and that was the phase of rapid development in Britain.

Britain - Name Isle of Angelsey in Britain derives from name of Lord Vishnu as Angulesh, meaning lord of Anguli country.
- British Isles which is finger sized compared to whole of Europe which is sized as palm of hand was designated the name Angulisthan that later came to be pronounced as Anguliand and then England.
- The name Britain also comes from Sanskrit Brihat-sthan meaning great place or great islands.
- Many names of England cities also have Sanskrit affiliations. E.g. London - was a very ancient Vedic capital, its Sanskrit name was Nandanium meaning pleasing habitation, and during Roman times it was misspelled as Londonium and later London. In European language letter "L" is often replaces "N", like name Svetanana (fair faced) is pronounced in Russia as Svetland.
- Sanskrit suffix Puri found in Indian cities as Sudamapuri or Jagannatha Puri is changed to "bury" in England like Shrewsbury, Ainsbury, Waterbury.
- Salisbury's hilly topography is also proof that it is a corrupt from Sanskrit term Shail-eesh-pury, which means hilly area with a (Vedic) Temple.
- Canterbury is also based on Sankarpury meaning a township of Shankar, Shiva. If you pronounce "C" as an "S" and replace "T" with a "K" in the name Canter, which is not uncommon in changes between Sanskrit and English, then it indicate that prior to British Isles turning Christian in the Sixth Century A.D. Canterbury used to be a seat of Vedic spiritual leader, thus the Archbishop of Canterbury today used to be a Vedic Priest and teacher or a Sankaracharya from which comes the name Sankarpury.

- The English term "shire" is also a corrupt Sanskrit word shwar. This is in reference to Indian towns known for ancient Shiva Center, such as Tryambakeshwar, Lankeshwar, Ghrishneshwar and many others. In England we find names such as Lancashire, Hampshire, Wiltshire etc.
- Like wise walled or fortified Townships are called "Cote" which is the same as kot as in Siddhakot, Agrakot, Lohakot etc. In England too walled townships and castle still bear the Sanskrit names "Cote" like Charlcote, Northcote, Healthcote etc.
- The famous horse races in Ascot is not a chance sport, the name Ascot comes from Sanskrit name Aswacot meaning City of Horses

IRELAND (see more here)
Ireland is mispronunciation of Sanskrit term Aryasthan meaning land of Aryan (Vedic) Culture.
In the book Collectania De Rebus Hibernicus by Lt. Gen. Charles Vallancey, he explains how "ancient Druids religion of Britons was founded on that of ancient Irish, which was in great part that of the Brahmins...by no other means the deities of Brahmins could have been recorded in Irish manuscripts". This books further notes, "Sir William Jones allows the Irish language great affinity with Sanskrit".
Vallacy further notes, "The Irish and Welsh complain of the devastation of their manuscripts by the Christian missionaries, like Danes, Norwegians and others."

SCANDINAVIA
Meaning Scanda (or Skanda) is a warrior of Lord Shiva and Commander-in-Chief of the divine Army. Sanskrit word naviya signifies a naval expedition in the name if Scanda.
In the book India in Greece Edward Pococke observes that European, Scandinavian, and Indian Kshatriya warrior castes are identical.
The word Viking (king) comes from Simha meaning Lion, Simha is pronounced, as Singa then changing "S" to "K" it becomes King. Thus Vikings were considered Lion like Warriors, like the Singh's from Punjab in India.

GERMANY
- Is a corrupt of sharman applicable to Sanskrit scholars in Vedic terminology. Such names exist in India in surname form like Sharma, which is in reference to this.
- The name Deutschland is a corruption of Daityasthan, referring to land of Daitya clan or those born of Mother Diti and Kashyap Muni.
- The city Heidelburg, "burg" signifies Fort. Sanskrit of which is Haya-dal-durg meaning Fort garrisoned by contingent of Horses.
- German word for thanks is Danke is corrupt Sanskrit for Dhanya.
- Place called Ramstein Sanskrit for Ram-sthan, is the site where first American Pershing missile was located in November 1983, "Stein" is similar to Sthan meaning spot or place.
- Furthermore, Col. James Tod recoedds on pg.63 of Volume I of Annals and Antiquities if Rajasthan "The first habit of Germans upon rising is ablution, which must have been of Eastern origin and not of the cold climate of Germany, as also the loose flowing robes, the long and braided hair tied in a knot at the top of the head, so emblematic of the Brahmins."
- Nazis used swastika forking towards left, normally Gods (Devas) used swastika forked towards right, and the Daityas (Danavas) used swastika forked towards left. Mr. Oak says in "World Vedic Heritage" that is apparent from the left-forked Swastika rooted in German (Deutschland) tradition since hoary antiquity."

CENTRAL EUROPE
- The area of Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and Hungary all has signs if ancient Vedic influence. Term Czech is from the term "shak' an ancient clan of Kshatriyas who as a branch of Daitya clan administered parts if Europe.
The Saxena of India, Saxons of Europe and Anglo-Saxons of Britain are part of the same stock.
Consequently the term Czechoslovakia is Sanskrit of Shakaslavakiya. Slavak is another ancient sub-clan.
- The Slav language also has many similarities with Sanskrit. Like agni (fire), Malka (meaning mallika) meaning mother, sestra is sister, brat is brother, syn is son, nos is nose, dam (dham) is house. Many of the personal names are also Sanskrit such as Sudhakant, Asha, Meenakshi and Ramkali.
In Scopte, a city in Yugoslavia there live over 50,000 Ramas, or families with names referring to Vedic connections.
- Slavak festival falling in January 13/14, known in Punjab of North India as Lodi and also as Sankranti, is almost the same as the "Loda" of Slavs.
Slavs celebrate the end of winter in the spring by building a bonfire. Peasants dance and sing songs to Loda, the goddess of spring and festivity.
The Christians have since changed the name to Butter Week. This is another indication of how the Christians have tried to place their identity on age old Vedic festivals to make them look deceptively Christian. Mr. Oak says The Slavs were forced into Christianity and to abandon Vedic culture in the 9th century. "For a long time Christianity suffered to exist. However, Vladimir, the Charemagne of Russia (who became king in 980 A.D.) proclaimed Christianity as the state religion by himself toppling a statue of the Vedic deity Varun, alias Parun. Then all Temples and Schools were turned to Christian Churches and monasteries. And Vladimir was changed to Wassily on being baptised.

- Hungary was shringeri, implying Scenic. Just like in Sindhu and Hindu the "S" and "H" is interchanged.
- Budapest was Buddhaprastha, meaning holy city of Buddha.

- In Bulgaria we find the dictionary replete with Sanskrit words. When the Indian Embassy, Bulgaria, informed Bulgarian government of this, they promptly set up courses in Sanskrit in numerous schools. During the Indian film festival organised in Bulgaria it was found that the audiences could easily understand Sanskrit words in the dialogue.

SPAIN
Spain originates from Sanskrit word spand, meaning throbbing or pulsating. Words like spin, spun and spindle come from the same Sanskrit root. Spain gets its name form being ancient pulsating or thriving Vedic centre that linked Europe with Africa.
Spain was conquered by Christians and later by Muslims. After about 600 years people had an uprising and they drove away the Muslims. Mr. Marvin H.
Mills Professor in Architecture school in the City College of New York, says "it is my belief, though remains to be confirmed, is that the most important alleged Moslem building in Spain are not Muslim at all. They probably precede the Muslim era dating from 711 A.D. much like in India the Muslims came as looters ad conquered preying on superior culture where they found generous amounts of buildings to choose from."

ITALY
The name Italy in Sanskrit Etaly signifies a country situated at the bottom of the continent (now called Europe).
- Many Roman gods originated from the east (Vedic deities), especially from the Greece e.g. Zeus is Dyus, Jupiter is Diupeter (or Dyua Pitar, the Vedic Indra), Minerva is Pallas Athen, Diana is Artemia, Venus (the Vedic Lakshmi) became Aphrodite, Neptune is Poseidon, Vulcan is Hephaestus, and so on.
- Even today we can see the image of Lord Shiva standing over a public fountain in the square at Bolgona, Italy with his Trident and hoods of two snakes on his shoulders.
- Throughout Italy images of Ganesha, Shiva and other Vedic Deities can be found in excavations.
- They also worshipped Lord Rama and images if Rama, Sita and Lakshman can be found in walls of ancient houses being excavated.
- Even portraits of Pompey, the Consul of Rome wearing the distinct mark of a V "Tilok" on his forehead is found. A Painting of Etruscan emperor (2nd Cent. B.C.) Wearing the same "Tilok" on his forehead and neck and wearing a "Dhoti" can be seen.
- The City of ROME is pronounced as "ROMA" in Italy, is also named after

LORD RAMA. "O" replaces the Sanskrit letter "A" for European pronunciation, just as Nasa in Sanskrit is spelled as "Nose" in English. This indicates the entire Roman Empire was part of Lord Rama Empire. Additional proof of this can be found from the founding date of Italy, which was 21st April in 753 B.C., which is unique because no other ancient city is so very exact about its founding date. The reason why this exact date is recorded is because 21st April is the date of Ramnavami in 753 B.C. Yet another proof is that another Italian city, Ravenna is named after Lord Rams adversary Ravana, and as Ravana was the enemy of Lord Ram, the city of Rome and Ravenna is situated diametrically opposite each other, one on the western coast and the other on the eastern coast.

POPE and VATICAN
- Pope comes from the Sanskrit word Paap meaning sin and ha meaning removes, thus Paap-ha means remover of sin. So Paap-ha was the title and the function of the supreme pontiff attached to the Vedic administration. And from this came the shortened word Pope.
- Every sage lives in a Hermitage which is called "Vatika", even the Vedic sage Paap-ha lived in his Vatika which is still now called "Vatican".
- Further evidence that the Vatican was once as Vedic post is found in the Vatican's Etruscan Museum. Therein is preserved and on display five Vedic Shiva-lingas, some of which the Vedic Pope used to worship, as well as images of Shiva with a Cobra raising its hood over Shiva's head. Many others are said to be hidden in the museum and in the cellars of the Vatican.
- Much of the present day rituals of the Pope have roots in the Vedic tradition, like chanting of Hymns, the purification with incense, the offering and distribution of Food and even washing of feet are the remnants of full Vedic rituals that used to be practiced by the Vedic Pope. Washing of feet is not a normal Christian practice because congregation members always wear socks and shoes.

GREECE
There are many connection of Greece with the Vedic Culture;
- Indra whirling his thunderbolt appears to be the same as Jupiter, Chrisn (Krishna) and his nine Gopis are evidently Apollo and the Muses.
- The fact that Krishna was the God of Greece is proved by the silver coins made by Agathaclose, a Greek ruler of the 2nd century B.C. These coins bear the imprint of Lord Krishna and his brother Balrama and are on display in several museums.
- Furthermore, a large mosaic of young Krishna playing his flute, standing cross legged under a tree white grazing cows, hangs in the museum in Corinth.

 

[Om_Krishna]

RUSSIA (see more here)
The name Russia i.e. Russi (also spelled as Rishi) is Sanskrit word for a Sage. Thus the term Russia signifies the land of Rishis and Sages.
- Russian phraseology and language also bears close resemblance to
Sanskrit. E.g. Daughter-in-law is called Snoka like Sanskrit term for it Snusha. Name Andropov signifies one belonging to the family of Indra (In pronounced as Andro in Russian). The name Lebedev is Sanskrit name Lava-dev, meaning Lava, the son of Lord Rama.
- Name of Moscow has Sanskrit origin, when we change the places of "C" and "S" the name is spelled as Mocsow, which is Sanskrit of "Moksha", meaning salvation, which is the chief goal of life of the Rishis, Sages.
- While the term Soviet comes from the term Svet meaning white (snow-covered) region.
- Term Bolshevik is Sanskrit for Bal-Sevik, signifying Rishis (Sages) who sought to attain (Spiritual or Temporal) power.
- The names of towns ending with "Grad" are from Sanskrit "Graam".
- In Caspian Sea there is a busy port of Baku, where you find a temple of Goddess of Effulgence (Jwalamai). Buried under the heap of ashes are inscriptions left by Vedic Fire Worshippers. On the walls of the temple the sacred Gayatri Mantra is written in Devanagri Script. Even up to World War II a lone Vedic monk would station himself there in the austere surroundings to maintain the place. Local Indian Hindu merchants would bring donations for the upkeep of the temple and the monk. There may be many such Vedic Temple scattered in Russia now camouflaged as Christian Churches.
- In 30th August 1982, a Times of India publication published a discovery, a stone carving depiction a Vedic Chariot in the Region of Tajikistan.
Ancient Vedic Sages lived along with their disciples in the caves, which were hand carved just like you find in India in the Armenian Republic.
- In 27th November 1983 the Indian Express published about the Vedic
remains in Russia. When Soviet archaeologists stumbled on the remains of a giant

Buddhist Cave-monastery in the Kara-Tepe hill during excavation-work in Termez in Uzbekistan, fresh light was once again thrown on the possibility of cultural relation-ship between Soviet Central Asia and India.
- The Russians also knew Ayurveda, the Vedic medicinal science. The Sanskrit text of Ashtang Ayurveda was discovered in Russia, along with a bronze image of the Vedic deity of longevity, is on display at the international academy of Indian Culture, 22-Hauz Khas Road, New Delhi. Also, people of Siberia are conversant with the preparation of Ayurvedic medicines like Triphala, Hingashtak powders. Due to the inhospitable Siberian region Christianity was unable to penetrate easily into the region thus people of Siberia were still able to preserve the knowledge.
- The word Siberia is still pronounced by local people as Shibir, which is exact Sanskrit word meaning encampment or temporary habitation.
- In the town of Samarkand there is a palatial building housing the grave of conqueror Tamerlian, confusion exists about the building whether it was a Muslim building or an earlier Vedic Building of the earlier rulers. Because at the entrance there are pictures or images of Sun and Tiger, which local guides still call "Soor-Sadul" meaning Surya-Shardul which could very well be the emblem of the Vedic rulers.
- There exist Russian Veda which is exactly like our Vedas in which the central figure is the figure called Krishen, it has the same stories of that of Bhagavad-Puran, where he kills many demons including the witch, and snake exactly like Putna and Agasura.

THE KABA WAS A VEDIC SHRINE
- Kaba is the holiest shrine of Islam; it was entirely rebuilt as it stands now in 1627.A.D.
- The name Kaba comes form Sanskrit word Garbha Griha, which was shortened to Gabha. This refers to the sanctum, which the kaba is in Islam. Just as Sanskrit word for Gow or Gau becomes Cow in English, with the "G" becoming "C", the word Gabha became Kaba in Arabic. Thus Kaba was known as Garbha Graha. To help was confirm this, let us remember that the Kaba is also known as Haram, which comes from Sanskrit word Hariyam, meaning "The Shrine of Hari, Lord Vishnu." The Floor plan of Kaba is Octagonal structure, which was typical of Vedic pattern in Architecture. Each corner was meant for enshrining 8 Vedic deities, and the central sanctum housed the reclining form of Lord Vishnu.
- Even now the Vedic custom of circumambulation of the Deity is practiced at the Kaba. All pilgrims circumambulate the entire building 8 times. This is strange because in no modern mosques circumambulation is practiced. It is another carry over of the ancient Vedic custom, which is not Islamic custom.
- Also, just as every Shiva temple has holy Ganga (Ganges) River, there is the Zam Zam spring near the Kaba. The two "Gs" are replaced by "Z" which makes it Zamza or Zamzam.
- Also, Shiva is often shown with a crescent moon on his head, and Shiva

Temples have a crescent on top of the Temple. The crescent moon on the pinnacle on the kaba is but a remnant of its Vedic origin.
- It is also said that the Black Stone (Sangay Aswad) is originally a representative of Shiva. Mahadeva, in the form of a Shiva-lingam. Shiva is also known as Makkheshvari, to which the name Makka or Mecca refers. The linga as a formless symbol of Divinity was retained by Mohammed, although its pedestal has been lost.
- It is well known that Mohammed smashed all the deities except of that of Allah, and buried them in the cellars of the Temple. The Black Stone is black with reddish tones and yellow particles. It is an ovoid shape, about 111 inches wide and 15 inches high. This is typical shape and colour of Shiva-linga. In the book World Vedic Heritage it is said, "The general belief that Kaba is only a Shiva temple is not true. It is originated as a Vedic Shrine depicting the Vedic version of the creation with a reclining Vishnu's navel forming the centre of the cosmic theme. A whole pantheon of Vedic gods surrounded Vishnu. Mohammed destroyed them all. The Shiva-linga stone wrenched away from its base was retained as a sacred symbol because it was the special patron and a faceless deity of Mohammed's Kuru-ishi household. He was a Shaivite. That was why those insisting that the caliphate remain in his family are known as Shaivas, now called Shias (Shiites).
- An Ancient Sanskrit scripture known as "Harihareshwar Mahatmay has (a couplet) which mentions Lord Vishnu's holy foot prints to be at three main centres in the world, namely one in Gaya (India), the other in Mecca, and the third near Shukla Teertha. Thus today what Muslims treat as Mohammed's foot prints, are actually that of Lord Vishnu's.
Other Encyclopaedias tell us that there are inscriptions inside the Kaba walls, and what they are no body is allowed to study.
- Namaz has its Sanskrit meaning as well, it is made of two Sanskrit letters nama and yaja, meaning to bow and worship.
- Ramadan comes from Sanskrit word Ram-Dhyan, meaning meditate on Lord Rama (Incarnation of God). In Vedic tradition the 9th Day of the bright half of the month of Chaitra is Rama's birthday. The pre-Islamic Arab tradition has retained the 9th month of the year for meditating on Lord Rama. Also, fasts are always associated with Vedic worship, and Islam has retained that fasting tradition for Ramadan. (see more here)

VEDIC INFLUENCE IN THE ORIENT
The Vedic influence in Eastern Asia is very well known.
- Java is Sanskrit for Jawadvip means island shaped like a barley corn.
- Indonesia still retains its Vedic origins although it now has the biggest Muslim population in the world. Its national airline is Garuda the eagle carrier of Lord Vishnu. The name Indonesia refers to Nesia signifies group of islands and Indo refers to India. Java, Bali and Sumatra are all Sanskrit names and still have Vedic religion followed there.
- Malaysia and Singapore, "Pore" is derived from Sanskrit word "Pur" And Singa is derived from Nrsingha for lion, as the name of Narasinghadeva, the half-man, half lion incarnation of lord Vishnu. So Singapore is the "Lion City".
Malaya also is a Sanskrit word, and Malayan towns bear Sanskrit names, and the royal princesses are called Putri, Mahadevi, Vidyadhari While men have names such as Rama, Lakshmana. Even palaces are called Asthana. All throughout the country one finds excavations leading to Vedic temples and shrines.
- North And South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. The port of Saigon was named using Sanskrit word Gaon, meaning town and suffix means so many, meaning "Many townships". Mekong River was named after "Ma Ganga" or Mother Ganga (the Ganges).

CHINA (see more here)
- In China Manchuria derives its name from the Vedic goddess Manjushri, and "Ju" is pronounced as "Chu".
- China is also mentioned in Ramayan as the land of Kosa-Karas (silk worms).
China and India has links with each other dating back thousands of years.
- Auriel Stein found evidence of Indian rule in Turkistan and Khotan in the form of coins and inscriptions and the use of Indian language in the administration upto the 3rd Century B.C.
- In the Fjiyan province at Quanzhou, there are remains of a Shiva Temple.
It still has Shiva-linga over five meters tall and numerous Tamil inscriptions. Even as early as 1950 childless mothers would go to invoke the blessings of the deity for motherhood.
- Like wise in Hsuan-wu, Lo-yang district there is a pillar with Sanskrit writings from top to bottom and right to left. There are may more evidence to prove China too had Vedic past.

JAPAN (see more here)
Even today Lord Ganesha and Goddess Durga are worshipped but their names are Shoten or Kangijen and Kali-devi-ma is called "Kariteimo". The Navaratri celebrations of paying homage to dead ancestors are followed in Japan.
There are many Vedic temples in Japan and China but are called in different names.

(All throughout the ancient history of the world countries, we come to a stumbling block at around 3000 B.C., which was the time of "Kurukshetra" War. Thus during that war the whole world participated and men lost their lives. And confusion and vacuum that prevailed later gave rise to Christianity and Islam.)

 

[AryadevA]

Agreed.

For more information, please read The Vedic Past Of Pre-Islamic Arabia.

 

[rahul_sharma]

nice article

 

[Om_Krishna]

nice article

Thanks

 

[HouseApe]

Interesting idea. Some Zoroastrians believe that it was their culture that spread throughout the world. I don't know if it is the same as Vedic culture. I understand they believe that they started on the steppes of Southern Russia, moved to Iran and spread from there. I believe the last Zoroastrians live in India.

 

[gooogle]

wow , great article
as far as i know Zoroastrains share some of there basics with Vedic religion (Hinduism). It was more like a major sect which concentrated itself in Iran.
Some few thousand zoroastrians still live in India.

 

[OrthodoxServant86]

Sigh I don't even know whether I should laugh at most of the claims of this article or just cry myself silly at the utter fallacy of the arguments.

 

[HouseApe]

wow , great article
as far as i know Zoroastrains share some of there basics with Vedic religion (Hinduism). It was more like a major sect which concentrated itself in Iran.
Some few thousand zoroastrians still live in India.

Well, I believe that they believe that they were the original Aryans who established Hinduism, but that Hinduism became corrupted over the generations. I know little about Hinduism. However, I am fairly convinced that Judaism adopted certain Zorastrian beliefs about a saviour during the Babylonian exile that lead directly to Christianity (not to mess up your thread though).

The lingustic affinity between sanskrit and the European languages do show common ancestry. Though I take issue with the origins of the word "England". I am certain it is named after the Saxon tribe called the "Angles" who invaded Britain in, I believe, the 7th century C.E. They invaded around the same time as the saxons and jutes. Hence regional names like East Anglia, Essex, Wessex et. al.

 

[Proud Hindu]

I'm not completely sure that I agree the whole world practiced Vedic culture... but it certainly had a lot of influence on the ancient world. Good article Om_Krishna

This site also has excellent info on Hinduism's influence on the world:

http://atributetohinduism.com/

Click the history tab... this site probably has more info on Hindu history than any other site on the net.

 

[arunma]

Muslims believe that the entire world used to be Muslim in the distant past, and I'm pretty sure they've written essays about it too (Muslims believe that their religion predates Mohammed). So who's right?

 

[Proud Hindu]

Really? How could there have been Muslims before Muhammed?

The central idea of Islam seems to be, "There is no other than One and Only One God (Allah), and Muhammed is His Prophet." It's hard to imagine Islam without him.

 

[Joeri]

Really? How could there have been Muslims before Muhammed?

The central idea of Islam seems to be, "There is no other than One and Only One God (Allah), and Muhammed is His Prophet." It's hard to imagine Islam without him.

answer to proud hindu:they think muslim means submission to God and that every prophet and jews and christians used to have their religion but changed it. doesnt muslim or islam means submission or peace with Allah? Unlike israel which means fighting with God so the pre-muhammed prophets had peace with 'allah'. if hes real. oh well, I will find out sooner or later how it all works. Soon there will be an antichrist posing as Christ, then the Great Tribulation, after which there will suddenly be a thousand year reign of peace led by Christ, who is vishnu, and God the Daddy, and then NO demon will have power anymore, and there will be NO more lies, and there will be only 1 God worshipped and Christ, and only the truth shall be known.
I can't wait to see all the truths in the religions blend. Im quite sure zoroaster had the same God as the jews in a different country. No more idiotic riots against other religions anymore. Islam, however, feels extremely deadish.

P.S. Pride is usually against God and a sin.

 

[Prince Lucianus]

I've also seen posts that Noah's three sons have contributed to naming all Asian/African and European civilisations.

These topics therefore seem to make things very confusing.

I think it might prove linguistic evolution, but archaeological evidence is needed to show real connections between either Jewish or Vedic predecessors in regions normally not attributed to be inhabited by them. Linguistic similarities are simply not convincing (see Houseape's post).

By the way, it's Heidelberg, which is linked to the mountain, not to a fort.

Lucy

 

[Joeri]

ah its so interesting to know who are the descendents of respectively
-noah and Sem Cham and Jafeth.
-abraham,
-Isaac(free child) /Ishmael (slave child)
from Isaac-Jakob (loved by God, jewish) and Esau (not so much loved)
i would be very pleased to see how this must surely have all some kind of religion associated with the specific people. for example they say arabs are sons of ishmale the slave child, and arabs worship a God as a lord whom you must obey as a slave

 

[Prince Lucianus]

This was the thread concerning Noah and names:

http://www1.christianforums.com/t1310479-noahs-grandsons.html

Lucy

 

[Proud Hindu]

answer to proud hindu:they think muslim means submission to God and that every prophet and jews and christians used to have their religion but changed it. doesnt muslim or islam means submission or peace with Allah?

Thanks, I didn't know that about Islam ...but how many Muslims go by that definition? There are people of many religions, especially the Baha'i, who fit that defintion exactly, but I doubt they would be considered Muslim by anyone.

P.S. Pride is usually against God and a sin.

Let me explain about my name... I found this forum by accident doing a google search for something... there was this one thread where Christians were trash-talking Hindus, and clearly knew nothing about Hinduism, so I just registered to straighten them out. I picked the name "Proud HIndu" so they'd know that we Hindus are proud of our heritage, and don't need to be "rescued" into Christianity. I never planned on staying (but this forum is so addictive... )

Hinduism also teaches humility though. It says, if you consider yourself greater than even a blade of grass, you still have much to learn.

 

[sanaa]

why isnt their archeological evidence in the rest of the world then ? like temples or statues or something ? i no there were statues found in pre islamic arabia

edit- yipeeee 500th post !

 

[Arthra]

Proud Hindu wrote:

"Thanks, I didn't know that about Islam ...but how many Muslims go by that definition? There are people of many religions, especially the Baha'i, who fit that defintion exactly, but I doubt they would be considered Muslim by anyone."

My comment:

Submitting to God is of course what Prophets and saints do and ask us to do... Submitting to the will of God for each age and circumstance is called for.

Here are some excepts from the Baha'i Writings that to me point to one religion of God that has been advancing through the ages but has the same spiritual core:

"God hath ordained that in every age and dispensation a pure and stainless Soul be made manifest in the kingdoms of earth and heaven."

"Know thou assuredly that the essence of all the Prophets of God is one and the same. Their unity is absolute."

"Each Manifestation of God hath a distinct individuality, a definitely prescribed mission, a predestined Revelation, and specially designated limitations. Each one of them is known by a different name, is characterized by a special attribute, fulfils a definite Mission, and is entrusted with a particular Revelation."

On another topic:

There are some Indo-aryan and Indo-european root words in common but they do not necessarily indicate the dominance of one culture. Propably prior to three or four thousand years ago there were wandering tribes advancing into Europe as well as India and no one is sure exactly where their point of origin was.

Unfortunately these ideas of a common Aryan race have been advanced by racist demogogues and nationalists in the past and i think the area is tainted with racial pride and feelings of superiority.

The Semitic group of languages also have words in common.

And again, you have people who want to be identified with the lost tribes of Israel and an unhealthy British-Israelism has developed.

Mankind is one even though various groups of us make outlandish claims of privilege and priority form time to time.

- Art

 

[off_world_beings]

This is an interseting discussion.
Where you said:
""- Further evidence that the Vatican was once as Vedic post is found in the Vatican's Etruscan Museum. Therein is preserved and on display five Vedic Shiva-lingas, some of which the Vedic Pope used to worship, as well as images of Shiva with a Cobra raising its hood over Shiva's head. Many others are said to be hidden in the museum and in the cellars of the Vatican. ""

I've been looking for pictures of these for AGES !.
Do you know where I can see photos of these on the internet?
Thanks.