Proof of Creation?

What I think is real, isn't really real, if it isn't as real as I feel.

Yes children, don't worry about what's real, just go with what makes you feel good.

AV1611VET said:

Yes, really.

If reality tells me something that doesn't square with what the Bible says, reality can take a hike.

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And if the painter says he painted your ceiling green, you walk out and it's blue, I suppose it's really green and the ceiling can take a hike?

How can you not see the ludicrousness of this logic?

Tell me, are you or are you not using the Bible to learn about reality? Or does the Bible not apply to reality?

Yes.

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Of course, if you were a Poe, this is exactly what you would say, isn't it?

I have a feeling you think a lot of stuff we believe isn't real.

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I have a feeling that a lot of the stuff you believe I would categorise as "not real" and a bunch of other stuff which I won't say here...

And also AV you think that the KJV of the Bible is the only actual Bible so how can we take you seriously? Check out the facts before you criticise other people please.

MissRowy said:

And also AV you think that the KJV of the Bible is the only actual Bible so how can we take you seriously? Check out the facts before you criticise other people please.

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Actually, the 1611 KJV Bible we have today is actually the 1769 version of it, which differs from the first 1611 version produced. And the early versions of the KJV contained books considered apocryphal and aren't included now.

7 things you may not know about the King James Bible

King James Version - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow I may have to edit my post now! Thanks for that info Kylie!

Fancy123 said:

....that's why people can change their minds about their religion and ever drop them.

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This is a bad thing, how?

kaytikookie said:

I'm pretty new to the whole subject, and while I believe in young earth creation, I was wondering if there was actual evidence or proof of it. Any links to articles would be appreciated!

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Did you specifically want info on the hebrew creation myth?

If not, here is some info on the Maori myth, the one I was taught as a child.

In the beginning there was no sky, no sea, no earth and no Gods. There was only darkness, only Te Kore, the Nothingness. The very beginning was made from nothing. From this nothingness, the primal parents of the Māori came, Papatuanuku, the Earth mother, and Ranginui, the Sky father.
Papatuanuku and Ranginui came together, embracing in the darkness, and had 70 male children. These offspring became the gods of the Māori. However, the children of Papatuanuku and Ranginui were locked in their parents embrace, in eternal darkness, and yearned to see some light. They eventually decided that their parents should be separated, and had a meeting to decide what should be done.
They considered for a long time - should Rangi and Papa be killed? Or shall they be forced to separate?
Finally, Tumatauenga, the god of War, said "Let us kill our parents". However, Tane-Mahuta, the god of man and forests, and all which inhabits the forests, thought that Rangi and Papa should be separated. He thought that Ranginui should go up above, to the sky, and that Papatuanuku should should go below, to dwell on earth. All the children, including Tu, the God of War, agreed with Tane.
Tawhiri Matea, the god of winds and storms was the only child who did not wish for his parents to be separated. He feared that his kingdom would be overthrown. One by one the children tried to separate their parents. Rongomatane, the god and father of cultivated foods, tried without success. Haumia Tiketike, god of uncultivated food also tried.
Then it was the turn of Tangaroa, the god of the sea, and Tumatauenga, the god of war, but neither Tangaroa nor Tumatauenga could separate their parents.
Lastly Tane-Mahuta rose. Strong as the kauri tree, he placed his shoulders against his mother Papatuanuku and his feet against his father Ranginui, and he pushed hard, for a very long time, straining and heaving all the while. Rangi and Papa cried in pain, asking their sons" why do you wish to destroy our love?"
After a long time Tane finally managed to separate Rangi and Papa, and for the first time the children saw the light of day (ao Marama) come streaming in. Once this happened, Tawhiri Matea, the god of winds and storms, and who had been against the separation of his parents, left for the sky to join his father.
The turbulent winds and storms on earth are caused by Tawhiri Matea, in revenge for this brother's acts.
Now that the separation of Papatuanuku and Ranginui was complete, and there was a sky and an earth. However, there was just one missing element, and Tane decided to create a female. From an area named Kura-waka Tane took some clay, and modeled it into a woman. He then breathed life into it, and created Hine-ahu-one - the earth formed maiden.
Tane and Hine had a beautiful daughter called Hinetitama. When Hinetitama grew, she had daughters to Tane. One day Hinetitama asked Tane who her father was, and on discovering that Tane was the father of her children, she fled with shame into the night, to a place called Rarohenga, the underworld. From then on she became known as Hine-nui-te-po, the goddess of the night.

What I think is real, isn't really real, if an opinionated atheist says so.

Yeah sure.

lesliedellow said:

What I think is real, isn't really real, if an opinionated atheist says so.

Yeah sure.

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What ANYONE thinks is real isn't really real if the evidence from reality says it isn't.

That would be more accurate.

I'm not asking you to listen to me. I'm asking you to examine reality.

KTS said:

I'm not asking you to listen to me. I'm asking you to examine reality.

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On a Christian forum? Good luck with that!

kaytikookie said:

I'm pretty new to the whole subject, and while I believe in young earth creation, I was wondering if there was actual evidence or proof of it. Any links to articles would be appreciated!

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it is harder to make someone start believing in young earth creation by proving it in the way of science than acquaint that person with the right faith which is a matter of exercising the faith and understanding the right beliefs, such as: the doctrine of eternal judgment, the doctrine of resurrection of the dead, etc., or in other words, to answer the questions: what is the eternity?, what is God?, why does He make the universal creation in the beginning of the eternity?, what is His main creature?, why is the human created primarily as an universal user?, why is God the Father invisible or why did no one ever see Him?, why is there a possibility for an emergency part of the human or what does the spiritual servant have to do/engage in as such?, why is the overall salvation the faith of God and Jesus Christ as well as Their Saints?, why does the end of the eternity foreshadow affliction(s) for many or for many others/additional in the case of more casualties/sufferers/victims?, why should all the people or at least as many as possible be saved unto abundant and everlasting life in Jesus and God the Father as soon as possible?, what is the circuit of the eternity?, which things/entities are uncaused and infinitely existing, despite the changeability/periodicity of the eternity?, what souls/persons will have abundant and everlasting life for a longer period through the next sequence of the eternities than others?, why can the delusion be so strong or why does the wicked make the prehistoric fossils/remains, age many earth layers, project many great phenomena in the sky, bring great bliss/grace, etc.?, and even why is there an end and circuit of the eternity, and suchlike...?

Blessings

madaz said:

On a Christian forum? Good luck with that!

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I live in hope that only the minority of Christians think reality can take a hike (tm).

KTS said:

I live in hope that only the minority of Christians think reality can take a hike (tm).

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Amen to that Kylie!

Yes what we think maybe real may not be real. Its as simple as that. More and more science and thats science not religion is stating this from what they are seeing. So its the science that is pointing to this not religious thought.

Niels Bohr, a Danish Physicist who made significant contributions to understanding atomic structure and quantum theory once said: “if quantum mechanics hasn’t profoundly shocked you, you haven’t understood it yet.” Quantum physics has left scientists all over the world baffled, especially with the discovery that our physical material reality, isn’t really physical at all. “Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.”
The Illusion of Matter: Our Physical Material World Isn’t Really Physical At All | Collective-Evolution

MissRowy said:

Wow I may have to edit my post now! Thanks for that info Kylie!

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We use the AV1611, fifth edition.

Fancy123 said:

Unfortunately faith for most Christian is not enough because they are human and are therefore natural skeptics.

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Faith, of course, being Mark Twain's version of faith,* I take it?

* Faith is believing what you know ain't so.

KTS said:

I'm asking you to examine reality.

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Specifically that part -- called evolution -- that is nothing more than a game of connect-the-dots?

AV1611VET said:

We use the AV1611, fifth edition.

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Off-topic -- But can you link me that video I sent you a while back please?

I can't find it and really want to watch it!

toLiJC said:

it is harder to make someone start believing in young earth creation by proving it in the way of science than acquaint that person with the right faith which is a matter of exercising the faith and understanding the right beliefs, such as: the doctrine of eternal judgment, the doctrine of resurrection of the dead, etc., or in other words, to answer the questions: what is the eternity?, what is God?, why does He make the universal creation in the beginning of the eternity?, what is His main creature?, why is the human created primarily as an universal user?, why is God the Father invisible or why did no one ever see Him?, why is there a possibility for an emergency part of the human or what does the spiritual servant have to do/engage in as such?, why is the overall salvation the faith of God and Jesus Christ as well as Their Saints?, why does the end of the eternity foreshadow affliction(s) for many or for many others/additional in the case of more casualties/sufferers/victims?, why should all the people or at least as many as possible be saved unto abundant and everlasting life in Jesus and God the Father as soon as possible?, what is the circuit of the eternity?, which things/entities are uncaused and infinitely existing, despite the changeability/periodicity of the eternity?, what souls/persons will have abundant and everlasting life for a longer period through the next sequence of the eternities than others?, why can the delusion be so strong or why does the wicked make the prehistoric fossils/remains, age many earth layers, project many great phenomena in the sky, bring great bliss/grace, etc.?, and even why is there an end and circuit of the eternity, and suchlike...?

Blessings

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Why would anyone ask such pointless questions?

AV1611VET said:

Specifically that part -- called evolution -- that is nothing more than a game of connect-the-dots?

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And what happens when you connect the dots.....?

You end up with the correct picture.