Promiscuous society

[blackribbon]

Has the openly promiscuous society spurned two groups of young people? ... those who think sex is no big deal ... and those who are completely turned off by the idea from constantly being blast with perverse versions of it (and being taught in church that it is "dirty"). I am seeing a huge group of girls in their late teens or early 20s who have no desire to have sex (maybe ever) and avoid dating for that very reason. Some have tried it too soon and with the wrong people and others haven't even felt the desire to consider it an option. I see open repulsion in even many of the young people on this forum...but also my daughter's friends. They would love to hang out with guys but even the idea of kissing is off the table. I worry about the future of Christian marriages if women get married thinking that sex isn't necessary or is something shameful.

 

[mukk_in]

Well, God desires godly off-spring and that won't happen without sex in marriage. But I suppose marriage isn't for everyone and the Lord will unite people in marriage per His will and give them the desire for intimacy and pro-creation as well.

I also understand that countries with rapidly aging populations desperately need babies for their survival. That being said, the Lord Jesus could return right now and none of our discussions would matter. I shall pray about this .

 

[blackribbon]

My fear is that a lot of these girls do want to get married but will never develop the desire for physical intimacy. They have developed a permanent repulsion for it. It is usually a trait of younger people, not something that is developed over time when your hormone levels begin to drop. I am not really in fear of a lack of babies...(our hospital usually has all 50 beds in postpartum close to full on a daily basis) but rather a lack of quality marriages.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Well I've been put off by the filthy culture of the modern day.
It's like as if I have to live in sin in order to find love which to me is off putting in its very nature.

If you're going to date anyone today you'll need to be prepared to please her many times before marriage, if you're even getting married to her that is.

To be single and devoted to your faith and hence virgin far into your twenties absurdly makes one LESS attractive in that eyes of most girls and I'm sure by most men the other way around.

Nah, I'm thinking of living a life in celibacy.
I'm not going to mock the institution of marriage by living in adultery beforehand.

 

[blackribbon]

Sad. There actually is a happy medium between being a permanent celebacy and having "filthy sex" outside of marriage.

 

[timewerx]

Well, God desires godly off-spring and that won't happen without sex in marriage.

Maybe not anymore, in the New Testament, there isn't anything said that is better to have children.

In fact, it seems rather the opposite. As Apostle Paul said, it is better to be single if that is a choice. Jesus also said many things that clearly say that being single and childless is the best option in living for the sake of Christ/ for the sake of Truth and being fruitful.

Obviously if one is single, it is impossible to have children unless you adopt a child.

I'm not saying that it is a sin nor it is evil to get married and have children. I'm only saying it is better to be single according to Christ and to Paul.

 

[dayhiker]

I read an article a few months ago about how Japanese young people are not dating and not getting married and not having sex and kids. The article said they felt it was too much work to hang out with the opposite sex. So they got together with their own sex friends and sounded like they pretty much ignored the opposite sex. Very strange to me.

The US wouldn't have a population decline as we are allow over 1 million immigrants a year into the US. But if the population declines it will have a very bad consequence to those living. It takes as many people as we have in the world to keep out food systems, our energy systems, our health care, our education system running as good as it does. There are documented cultures that had population declines who couldn't there for maintain their technology and people moved back into a low substance survival mode which would lead to even more decline.

One example was when European explorers arrived at Tasmania they found people living very subsistence living including no clothing even tho there sometimes as snow there. As the explorers looked around they saw evidence of much greater technology in the recent past that the locals knew nothing about. Think of yourself today if the technology of a refrigerator was lost. You knew growing up you used to put food in a refrigerator and it kept for a long time. It was then last, could you make a new refrigerator? What would the lose of that one appliance mean to our lifestyle?

 

[timewerx]

The US wouldn't have a population decline as we are allow over 1 million immigrants a year into the US. But if the population declines it will have a very bad consequence to those living.

Not happening... Other cultural groups are multiplying like rabbits. If anything, the white race will become extinct but the rest will live on.

 

[bhsmte]

IMO, I believe all of the electronic means of communication, has hurt young people's ability and even desire, to have intimate relationships.

 

[blackribbon]

IMO, I believe all of the electronic means of communication, has hurt young people's ability and even desire, to have intimate relationships.

There is probably a lot of truth there.

I can't even see considering an online friendship whom you have never met as a "dating relationship" and yet, I see people claim they have a BF or GF that they have never met all the time. They consider these "serious" and I am thinking ... "what do you know about that person other than what they have decided to share and how do you know if this info is true?"

 

[Travelers.Soul]

There is certainly a disconnect somewhere and there may be several different factors that play into it. Too much reliance upon electronic forms of communication, being taught that sex is dirty (which is far from the truth), or by being desensitized to intimacy. Marriage and sex (within marriage) are beautiful things, they are far from dirty or repulsive yet I wonder how good of a job we are doing in our churches when it comes to teaching on the subject...

 

[Sir Robbins]

I'm a guy and have been deeply repulsed by it.... then again, my friends and former classmates who were active in high school and college always had a motive... Most girls I knew would have sex once or twice and then the guy would bail on them.... too many women I see being abandoned after "giving it up".... no wonder some girls are repulsed to it... it doesn't help that there are harlots everywhere on the other side too where women are more dominant and that can scare a guy or intrigue (briefly) depending on the personality

 

[Sir Robbins]

I'm not going to mock the institution of marriage by living in adultery beforehand.

adultery is not sex outside marriage unless one of the two parties is currently married. two unmarried people having sex is NOT adultery and not even really a sin. Adultery is sex with someone who is another's spouse... adultery is cheating so to speak

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

adultery is not sex outside marriage unless one of the two parties is currently married. two unmarried people having sex is NOT adultery and not even really a sin. Adultery is sex with someone who is another's spouse... adultery is cheating so to speak

That was...
Heterodox.

 

[Sir Robbins]

That was...
Heterodox.

You would be correct.... my comment is heterodox... it argues the opinions and doctrines of men in the bible, not bold stated facts from God himself...

 

[Bass4Jesus]

I don't know if this is relevant, and it's based solely on speculation, but I think sex and intimacy have been almost completely disassociated. I'm speaking of the modern, non-Christian western world here. It's normal now for young people to have sex a couple of times before they even contemplate dating. Sometimes before the notion even enters their minds. So, sex has become a casual pastime, linked to nothing, free of context, and meaningless. It's just a way to kill time and feel physically nice.

The term "promiscuity" seems (to me, anyway) to carry with it a sense of wrongness, or at least of poor judgment. I'm not sure that applies to the behavior of young single people any more. I'm convinced they don't see sex before marriage (or even sex during dating) as something worthy of judgment, or even as behavior that deserves enough recognition to be argued for or against. Why? Because its moral weight no longer exists. It's become free of its moral chains. Its significance is about the same as whether to spend the next hour getting pizza or getting Mexican. It's just an activity now, just like any other innocent activity -- except that things haven't quite gotten to the point where it's okay if other people happen to be watching.

But no worries, we'll get there in a few years.

Sorry in advance if these points have already been made.

 

[blackribbon]

I don't know if this is relevant, and it's based solely on speculation, but I think sex and intimacy have been almost completely disassociated. I'm speaking of the modern, non-Christian western world here. It's normal now for young people to have sex a couple of times before they even contemplate dating. Sometimes before the notion even enters their minds. So, sex has become a casual pastime, linked to nothing, free of context, and meaningless. It's just a way to kill time and feel physically nice.

The term "promiscuity" seems (to me, anyway) to carry with it a sense of wrongness, or at least of poor judgment. I'm not sure that applies to the behavior of young single people any more. I'm convinced they don't see sex before marriage (or even sex during dating) as something worthy of judgment, or even as behavior that deserves enough recognition to be argued for or against. Why? Because its moral weight no longer exists. It's become free of its moral chains. Its significance is about the same as whether to spend the next hour getting pizza or getting Mexican. It's just an activity now, just like any other innocent activity -- except that things haven't quite gotten to the point where it's okay if other people happen to be watching.

But no worries, we'll get there in a few years.

Sorry in advance if these points have already been made.

But that is the opposite of what I was saying....I was saying that we are raising a generation of asexual people...that sex doesn't matter and they avoid it.

 

[dayhiker]

I think both are true .. Society is never one dimensional. Sometimes one characteristic dominates over others, but even then there are sub movements going on.

 

[Bass4Jesus]

I get what blackribbon is saying. Not just a lack of interest, but an active aversion. But I wonder if the latter is born of the former, matured. As in, "This has gotten me nowhere no matter how many times I've tried it, so I'm done with it for good." I really don't know. Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that sex doesn't seem to count for anything within much of that group. It's just another thing to do, instead of doing something else. But no specific interest in it or desire for it.

In the larger context, will a promiscuous society eventually become one that spurns sex altogether? That would be the joke of the century. Might it specifically have been envisioned by God, and He's getting His "Told ya so!" ready? The trend over the next decade will be entertaining.

 

[Sir Robbins]

But that is the opposite of what I was saying....I was saying that we are raising a generation of asexual people...that sex doesn't matter and they avoid it.

technically, it doesn't for a fair amount of people... just as many have indicated that sex can and does exist without love, the opposite is true also... Divine love cannot involve sex.... it's deeper and more respectful. I wish more would recognize this and see how wonderful life is without it....