Progressiveness is wrong morally and pragmatically.

[jayem]

Nope that's not it. Countries with higher per capita gun ownership have a lower murder rate than the US. That and there's the fact that most murders aren't even commited with guns in the first place.

And many countries with tight gun control have lower murder rates. Scroll down the charts to data for the 2000s. The US homicide rate is 5.9 per 100,000. The UK is 2.03. Canada is 2.01. Japan is 0.50. And some countries where guns are all over the place have higher homicide rates--like Colombia, 39.3; Brazil, 27; or Mexico, 13.04. If there is any pattern here, I think it's economic. Third-world countries, and those with wide disparities between rich and poor tend to have more homicides.

 

[Vene]

someone who actually has a sense.

Be prepared to be flamed for this one. Truth like this is like salt on a fresh wound..

You should read the book by Ann Coulter " GODLESS The Church of Liberalism". Wonderful book

Permisiveness of divorce is the great problem in this country. There are marriages that sometimes last 20 days! is this how little we view marriage??

Some people don't know how to commit. Is this worse than two individuals being stuck with each other even though they find they can't live with each other peacefully and lovingly?

We have desecrated marriage so much that its now ok for homosexuals and lesbians to marry in some states.. Marriage is greatly under attack, and once the value of marriage is gone you can say goodbye to good parenting values. Instead the child will grow up with 20 stepfathers and no real mother or father to confide in.

Oh noes! Not the homosexuals! Marriage has changed in the past and it will continue to. It used to be entirely secular (Roman Empire), until the Catholic Church made it a religious union (Middle Ages), biblically women are considered the property of men-now it's viewed as a partnership. Don't forget that it used to be between two people with the same shade of skin. Society changes, deal with it.

And people wonder why the US has the highest murder and drug use rate in the world.

I'm suspicious about the world as a whole, maybe you mean developed nations? Also, did you know that the places with some of the least crime are the most secular?

I can't even imagine the boiling wrath of God for this country. What will be the next plaugue after AIDS?

Feel the love, feel it or we'll kill you? And as far as a plague goes AIDS is pretty weak, the bubonic plague had people dying in the street, and the 1918 influenza outbreak killed more people that the war that preceded it. You have a pretty impotent God if AIDS is the best he can do.

 

[chaz345]

And many countries with tight gun control have lower murder rates. Scroll down the charts to data for the 2000s. The US homicide rate is 5.9 per 100,000. The UK is 2.03. Canada is 2.01. Japan is 0.50. And some countries where guns are all over the place have higher homicide rates--like Colombia, 39.3; Brazil, 27; or Mexico, 13.04. If there is any pattern here, I think it's economic. Third-world countries, and those with wide disparities between rich and poor tend to have more homicides.

Look at the overall violent crime rate(things other than just homocide) for those countries though and you get a very different picture.

And in any case I was responding to the idea that it is the mere presence of the guns that causes the problem. That idea is most definitely false.