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Well then, perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to slam "man's opinions" on certain matters, particularly those you know little about. Your assurance of your own salvation seems to be based on the exact same thing.JohnR7 said:Faith
Actually we don't disagree on this point--at least not really, so maybe I just worded it strangely. What I mean in saying that this thread is a diversionary tactic similar to what he does with posts on other threads is that he has started a thread that is a generalized attempt to insult scientists by saying they "profess to be wise, but in fact aren't" rather than dealing with relevant evidence on other threads in order to show that it's true. Rather it's just an excuse to make cavalier comments, basically, as evidenced by pretty much every post he has made in it including the claim that lucaspa is "full of BS."Tomk80 said:I only disagree on the last one. What John was arguing is that evolutionists like us profess to be wise, but in fact aren't. John himself, of course, is actually the wise man on this forum, or at least, that is what is implied in his post (as in a lot of other posts of him).
Indeed, we do seem to agree after all my friend.Mechanical Bliss said:Actually we don't disagree on this point--at least not really, so maybe I just worded it strangely. What I mean in saying that this thread is a diversionary tactic similar to what he does with posts on other threads is that he has started a thread that is a generalized attempt to insult scientists by saying they "profess to be wise, but in fact aren't" rather than dealing with relevant evidence on other threads in order to show that it's true. Rather it's just an excuse to make cavalier comments, basically, as evidenced by pretty much every post he has made in it including the claim that lucaspa is "full of BS."
JohnR7 said:Actually, your the one that is judgeing me here. As you judge, so shall you be judged.
Also, christians do not go before the judgement throne of God. We go before the judgement throne of Christ, so as to determine if we will receive a reward or loss for the works that we have done.
That is why makes being a christian a fantastic deal. We do not pay any of our debt, so we get to keep all of our rewards or wages. Of course like I said, there will be people who suffer loss and they will receive no rewards, because they did not do anything to earn them.
That does not mean there is no price to pay in this life for breaking the law of God. Clearly we do reap what we sow while we are still alive in that regard.
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Sounds like your the one that needs to take heed. I pray about everything I do, before I do it.
You should check yourself to see if your being led by God or not. It is not your place to judge me or my heart.
Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls.
Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
Hi John.JohnR7 said:Nonsense, there are not enough hours in the day to answer all the questions that I get on this forum. Even if I did somehow manage to answer all of the questions, I would only get twice as many questions in their place.
I just want that question answered.revolutio said:Could you be specific on these beliefs?JohnR7 said:I did not make myself very clear. What I was meaning to say is that some of the false teaching today that we find in science goes back to the Romans and the Greeks. Early church fathers argued against it. Even Paul's letter to the Romans came up against some of their false beliefs.
I have the time and I can get the knowledge to defend my claim. I do not have time for people who want to waste my time with nonsense. I am not going to do free research for people, let them learn how to do their own research. If you want someone to spoon feed you, then go to the university and pay someone to do just that. I am not going to spoon feed people for free.Ishmael Borg said:Simple rule: Don't post a claim unless you have the time and knowledge to defend it.
Hmm! How can I put this politely? I can't. ROFLSHINSM!JohnR7 said:I have the time and I can get the knowledge to defend my claim. I do not have time for people who want to waste my time with nonsense. I am not going to do free research for people, let them learn how to do their own research. If you want someone to spoon feed you, then go to the university and pay someone to do just that. I am not going to spoon feed people for free.
My wife and I are very giving people. But there is a limit to what we can do for others. God has blessed us and we want to share those blessings with others. But it reaches a point where your hindering people, when you are doing for them what they really need to be doing for themselves.
JohnR7 said:I have the time and I can get the knowledge to defend my claim. I do not have time for people who want to waste my time with nonsense. I am not going to do free research for people, let them learn how to do their own research. If you want someone to spoon feed you, then go to the university and pay someone to do just that. I am not going to spoon feed people for free.
My wife and I are very giving people. But there is a limit to what we can do for others. God has blessed us and we want to share those blessings with others. But it reaches a point where your hindering people, when you are doing for them what they really need to be doing for themselves.
Basicly what your asking me is where did the theory of evolution begin and how has the theory evolved over the years.revolutio said:I just want that question answered.
Do it then.JohnR7 said:I have the time and I can get the knowledge to defend my claim.
Except when we do the research we find you wrong.I do not have time for people who want to waste my time with nonsense. I am not going to do free research for people, let them learn how to do their own research.
Are you deluded? What do you think I have been doing?Data said:Do it then.
You wish you could prove me wrong, so you could continue to cling to your lies and your delusions. But the facts are, you can not prove me wrong.Except when we do the research we find you wrong.
Man's opinions are worthless if they do not line up with the word of God. It does not matter how much or how little I know about them, I only need to know where they came from (man)and that they do not line up with the truth.Nathan Poe said:Well then, perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to slam "man's opinions" on certain matters, particularly those you know little about.
You do not seem to know what faith is, perhaps because you do not have God's faith at work in you. Faith and love work together and they begin with God, it is a work of God in us. They do not originate in and with man.Your assurance of your own salvation seems to be based on the exact same thing.
Trolling from the looks of it.JohnR7 said:Are you deluded? What do you think I have been doing?
Project much, Johnny?You wish you could prove me wrong, so you could continue to cling to your lies and your delusions. But the facts are, you can not prove me wrong.
And knowing nothing useful about them, how then do you tell if they line up with this "Truth" you think you have?JohnR7 said:Man's opinions are worthless if they do not line up with the word of God. It does not matter how much or how little I know about them, I only need to know where they came from (man)and that they do not line up with the truth.
And this is true because you think so.You do not seem to know what faith is, perhaps because you do not have God's faith at work in you. Faith and love work together and they begin with God, it is a work of God in us. They do not originate in and with man.
You trust, but you do not know. Hence, you have an opinion.I trust in the promises of God and there are many promises that are associated with salvation. Here is just one of them.
Wow, that's a lot to dig out of a fairly short verse. You sure you're not adding your own opinion to the mix?Matthew 24:13
But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Salvation is past, present and future. God did a work in us to save us, He is doing a work in us to save us and He will continue to work in us untell we are called home to our reward.
There are people who believe you can walk away from God and lose your salvation, if you do not continue steadfast in the love and faith of God. I do not know why anyone would reject or refuse the grace of God. I do not know why anyone who has tasted to see that God is good, would want to walk away and turn their back on God. But in theory, you can, because we do not give up our free will when we get saved.
Lol, why are you telling me what I am asking you?JohnR7 said:Basicly what your asking me is where did the theory of evolution begin and how has the theory evolved over the years.
No, because I do not ever "false witness", so there is nothing to be ashamed of.EvolvEarth said:JohnR7, do you ever feel ashamed of yourself for false witnessing.
Still waiting for what? For me to teach you about wisdom? I think you need to study it and learn it on your own. A good place to start would be with solomon, he teaches a lot on wisdom and what it is. Just run a search using the key word wisdom in your Bible and read the passages that come up.Larry said:Still waiting, John.
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