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Ok, this is gonna become a long post, but it's important to me so it would be nice I could get some feedback.

I am a 32 year old man from Germany, currently unemployed because I have chronic schizophrenia coupled with anxiety and an almost continually present desire to retreat from people into the safety of my room. Sometimes I wish to break out of this and sometimes I try and it's working, but I've also experienced setbacks.

To be really honest I must add that manual labor never appealed much to me, since I was a little kid. And again, to be honest, if I had a character like my mom or even just like some friends I have, I might be able to hold a job even with my illness.

The bible says, who does not work, should not even eat. Is that really a commandment to work under all circumstances? Or must this be relativied because we live in better times where not all have to work? My illness is recognized as a disability in Germany and I get a kind of SSI income that keeps me financially independent. I live with my mom and we get some additional grants as well. So I do not need a job to "earn a living", as they say.

I've come a little forward since the days when I refused to work completely. I now mow the lawn, water the plants, sometimes help with cleaning the house and do pretty much anything my mom asks me to do. I also have a small volunteer job in a nursing home, but it's really small, only 3 hours per week and if I don't feel right I can call them up and tell them and I can stay at home. But if I am in a good mood I do enjoy this job, and sometimes would even like to do more.

When I don't have things to do, which is often the case, I retire to my rooms, to my computer, and either spend my time in the net or with computer games. Over the years I have bought myself a slew of these and I'm still enjoying them, yet sometimes I think that I should come to make more out of my life.

The illness itself is really vicious sometimes in that I hear voices and have delusions and manic periods. It used to be worse but since I got baptized two years ago things have improved considerably. I'm not entirely sure, but I do think that some of my illness is caused by demonic attacks. I've come to the point that I believe that I am safe as long as I keep following Jesus' ways. And today I'm finding that Jesus simply wants from me to do more work-style things, even when perhaps He doesn't mean that I need to hold a job.

So for now I've been thinking of it like this ... I will see that I will participate in house chores daily and not just when mom asks me to help. I will continue the volunteer work and expand it to another day during the week. I will try to commit more time to other hobbies than just the computer games and the net. There has also been an opportunity recently that I could study online journalism in the course of a year at a distance university. People say that I can write very well, so maybe I have talent there. Would such a study count as work too?

I've also given some thought to the question whether the work Jesus demands from me is simply to hold a job. The thing is, it would be really difficult to find one here in my village in Germany. I don't have a car and can't do most kinds of manual labor, so I honestly don't know what kind of job I would be able to do. I'm more the intellectual type but I can't get such a job anymore at all, not even if I moved into the city. I want to stay living with mom, she is my best friend and I can tell her anything that troubles me and that is worth a lot to me.

So basically, I am asking for what you are thinking. Can I continue playing computer games sometimes, even daily when I have a nice game? Or must I work all the time? Since dad died mom has made the garden smaller so there's less to do. Sometimes I feel called to find an interest in gardening. I do enjoy growing vegetables, herbs and fruits and such, but I really don't like much growing flowers and making the garden something shiny and beautiful.

Also, please keep in mind that though I admit that I have never been fond of manual labor, I do have things that hold me back mentally. My schizophrenia is such that when it is frightening I need there to be an option for retreating, if only for some minutes, if only to have a smoke or something like that. I also often have trouble with intrusive thoughts of evil that do not come from me but which then I have problems fending off. I have learned to counter it through prayer, reading psalms, relaxing and distracting myself, but if I must do certain work that demands all of my attention then I have trouble getting these defense mechanisms to work and I have a really miserable and difficult time. One reason why I can do my volunteer work is that I am always free to retreat for 5 minutes and get back my composure. In a real job obviously I could not do that, that's why I am a bit sceptical.

What do you think?
 

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Lutherangerman,

hi there. :)

I just feel the need to reach out and encourage you, here -- I can sense the pain and uncertainty in a few of your questions. Please know that we have a God who wants us to live by the spirit of His law, and not just by the letter of it. In other words, there is no long huge lists of do's and dont's -- we're just called to follow Christ, and to minister to others around us.

I know that God knows your heart better than ANYONE -- even you - could know it, and He understands the struggles you're going through. I can't imagine that He'd want or need anyone, including you, to work 'all of the time' -- we are called to work, and to rest... to rejoice, and to be quiet. I know that it's just not practical to focus hard on doing ONE thing all of the time.

What I'm trying to say is that above all, the important thing is that you're with Christ. Just take one day at a time, and do what you can. You can't be all things to all people... but I see very clearly that your heart is in the right place, with the way you're trying to honour your family and your community by helping when, where, and how you can. That's awesome. :) Keep spending time in the Word, and in prayer.... and, when you can, spend a little time out helping where you can help.

My prayers are with you, and so is my friendship. Glad to meet you, brother. :)
 
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Well my friend, I can honestly say that your writing/grammar put mine to shame. As for work? look into internet marketing, because you can stay locked up in your room and plug away with internet marketing techniques and make some money as you learn. Just remember that it does take time to make your first dollar. As for your schizophrenia I do believe that it is mistaken by the medical establishment for a mental condition, i beg to differ and believe that they can be a form of demonic attacks. I personally experienced these aggressive attacks since the early age of 10 years old. I was scared to tell anybody about it, for fear that they would think I was a NUT JOB! Today I combat these evil entities with the name of Jesus Christ. I know that sounds SIMPLE....but trust me when I say that the name of Jesus Christ is the only weapon you have against these dark forces. :amen:



Ok, this is gonna become a long post, but it's important to me so it would be nice I could get some feedback.

I am a 32 year old man from Germany, currently unemployed because I have chronic schizophrenia coupled with anxiety and an almost continually present desire to retreat from people into the safety of my room. Sometimes I wish to break out of this and sometimes I try and it's working, but I've also experienced setbacks.

To be really honest I must add that manual labor never appealed much to me, since I was a little kid. And again, to be honest, if I had a character like my mom or even just like some friends I have, I might be able to hold a job even with my illness.

The bible says, who does not work, should not even eat. Is that really a commandment to work under all circumstances? Or must this be relativied because we live in better times where not all have to work? My illness is recognized as a disability in Germany and I get a kind of SSI income that keeps me financially independent. I live with my mom and we get some additional grants as well. So I do not need a job to "earn a living", as they say.

I've come a little forward since the days when I refused to work completely. I now mow the lawn, water the plants, sometimes help with cleaning the house and do pretty much anything my mom asks me to do. I also have a small volunteer job in a nursing home, but it's really small, only 3 hours per week and if I don't feel right I can call them up and tell them and I can stay at home. But if I am in a good mood I do enjoy this job, and sometimes would even like to do more.

When I don't have things to do, which is often the case, I retire to my rooms, to my computer, and either spend my time in the net or with computer games. Over the years I have bought myself a slew of these and I'm still enjoying them, yet sometimes I think that I should come to make more out of my life.

The illness itself is really vicious sometimes in that I hear voices and have delusions and manic periods. It used to be worse but since I got baptized two years ago things have improved considerably. I'm not entirely sure, but I do think that some of my illness is caused by demonic attacks. I've come to the point that I believe that I am safe as long as I keep following Jesus' ways. And today I'm finding that Jesus simply wants from me to do more work-style things, even when perhaps He doesn't mean that I need to hold a job.

So for now I've been thinking of it like this ... I will see that I will participate in house chores daily and not just when mom asks me to help. I will continue the volunteer work and expand it to another day during the week. I will try to commit more time to other hobbies than just the computer games and the net. There has also been an opportunity recently that I could study online journalism in the course of a year at a distance university. People say that I can write very well, so maybe I have talent there. Would such a study count as work too?

I've also given some thought to the question whether the work Jesus demands from me is simply to hold a job. The thing is, it would be really difficult to find one here in my village in Germany. I don't have a car and can't do most kinds of manual labor, so I honestly don't know what kind of job I would be able to do. I'm more the intellectual type but I can't get such a job anymore at all, not even if I moved into the city. I want to stay living with mom, she is my best friend and I can tell her anything that troubles me and that is worth a lot to me.

So basically, I am asking for what you are thinking. Can I continue playing computer games sometimes, even daily when I have a nice game? Or must I work all the time? Since dad died mom has made the garden smaller so there's less to do. Sometimes I feel called to find an interest in gardening. I do enjoy growing vegetables, herbs and fruits and such, but I really don't like much growing flowers and making the garden something shiny and beautiful.

Also, please keep in mind that though I admit that I have never been fond of manual labor, I do have things that hold me back mentally. My schizophrenia is such that when it is frightening I need there to be an option for retreating, if only for some minutes, if only to have a smoke or something like that. I also often have trouble with intrusive thoughts of evil that do not come from me but which then I have problems fending off. I have learned to counter it through prayer, reading psalms, relaxing and distracting myself, but if I must do certain work that demands all of my attention then I have trouble getting these defense mechanisms to work and I have a really miserable and difficult time. One reason why I can do my volunteer work is that I am always free to retreat for 5 minutes and get back my composure. In a real job obviously I could not do that, that's why I am a bit sceptical.

What do you think?
 
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I don't know the job situation in your village in Germany, as a guy you don't have to feel that certain kinds of manual labour is work and other kinds of work is not - you mentioning gardening- actually that can be hard work and is definitely manual (working with your hands) as is writing - using your hands. Freelance journalism sounds like something you would be good at as writing is rather solitary and contemplative occupation, it's flexible and you can work from home. (except for the deadlines, but you will find ways to manage your time)

Just from my experience with living with manic depression (not schizophrenia, but can be a similar stigma) I can tell you the mental health system in my country would rather encourage people to be dependent on it's welfare, it is designed that way so that you get penalised for working and you get a labled and branded for life. However recently there has been more awarness of mental illness and more acceptance that people who are afflicted in this way do need compassion and understanding in the workplace, and times off when they need it, not ostracism.

I love working and if I am in their system and over-medicated I cannot work. I would be literally too sedated from the drugs they prescribed me. I found a balance of part-time work and other interests (I am a librarian) and also knowing that whatever I do, even if it's washing dishes, is for God's glory not myself. I thank God everyday that Jesus helped set me free from this prison of this whole mental health system and this worry that I could never live a normal life.

With the demonic attacks what I found helpful was learning about the armour of God - You put this on each morning - that is, the helmet of salvation, the breastplace of righteousness, the shield of faith, the girdle of truth, the sword of spirit, and the sandals of the gospel. This armour helps you stand to resist the enemy.

as for computer games..well, you can ask God about this, you don't have to ask us. If it is something you enjoy and keeps you alert then I don't see it as much different as a game of tennis, unless it takes over your life and you don't do anything else. I've found that God does want more from me, and he does want my time, and more and more after I committed my life to following Him. This hasn't meant my life has been less fun - in fact Jesus says he has come to give us life and this life in abundance. Looking back he is slowly changing me and he has made me become less introverted and worried about myself and more I looking for ways I can be a help and blessing to others.

What jobs have you done before that you enjoyed? The Bible says that we can cast all our anxieties on to the Lord, give all our burdens to Him. It also says to renew our minds daily with his Word.

I would encourage you to keep writing, you say you spend a lot of time on the net, have you considered writing a blog..I've found reading about other peoples faith journeys and testimonies have helped me really grow in Christ, expecially when I felt I had no hope because I was labelled bipolar and doctors and psychiatrists just didn't want to acknowledge the spiritual side of what was happening to me. Your story and what you learn from your struggles will definitley help others.
 
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