Problems with Sacred Tradition

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These Traditions are found in the writings of the Church Fathers of the first 800 years of Christianity, beginning with St. Ignatius, the successor of St. John the Evangelist, the beloved Apostle of the Lord.

Familiarize yourself with the early Christian writings, and you will learn what these traditions are.
I'm quite familiar with the early writings.

However, Paul is not saying the traditions he speaks of will be realized later by the church fathers.

The OP is focused mainly on the Roman Catholic self assured infallible magisterium. I don't think your church believes bishops can infallibly determine doctrine.
 
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I'm quite familiar with the early writings.

However, Paul is not saying the traditions he speaks of will be realized later by the church fathers.

The OP is focused mainly on the Roman Catholic self assured infallible magisterium. I don't think your church believes bishops can infallibly determine doctrine.
No, it is impossible for Sacred Tradition to change, but it is not impossible for them to evolve to adapt to new eras and cultures. Thus, we see a difference in the way the liturgy was celebrated originally verses how it is celebrated today. Nevertheless, the dogmatic Tradition to celebrate the Lord's resurrection on Sunday rather than Sabbath, and to participate in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist during the Divine Liturgy, these things have never changed.

You must be more specific, therefore, and list which Traditions you believe were "realized later".

And, no, our Church does not believe that a bishop is infallible or the originator of Holy Tradition or dogma. We preach that the Holy Spirit speaks infallibly through the unanimous dogmatic proclamations of the Ecumenical Councils and through the writings of the Church Fathers, which support and reinforce these dogmas. However, if anyone presents a novel doctrine, one that was never taught, believed, or preached, he is a heretic. Such was the case of Arius and the Pope of Rome during the Great Schism.
 
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I wouldn’t put too much thought into what the RCC decided at the council of Trent. The RCC has apologized for the actions of those men on a few occasions because of the terrible atrocities they committed. Both the councils of Florence and Trent were during the darkest time in history for the RCC. As far as traditions personally I would stick to the traditions before 1054AD.
They can apologize a thousand pardons but can't come out and say one canon of Trent is in error. Trent is considered by Rome as an ecumenical council (EOs of course do not) and it's canons infallible.

They can soften the language with appeals to Vatican 2, but to admit they were wrong in the 16th century would mean the whole infallible magisterium deal blows up.
 
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They can apologize a thousand pardons but can't come out and say one canon of Trent is in error. Trent is considered by Rome as an ecumenical council (EOs of course do not) and it's canons infallible.

They can soften the language with appeals to Vatican 2, but to admit they were wrong in the 16th century would mean the whole infallible magisterium deal blows up.

Exactly they would lose all credibility as being infallible. This is why the RCC is the only Christian church that teaches purgatory. Every other Christians church denies the existence of purgatory. Purgatory was formulated exactly during the time when the Roman church was abusing indulgences and allowed them to solicit indulgences for the dead.
 
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How do we know that Sacred Tradition is authoritative? Is this also because Sacred Tradition says so?
Yes, the circular reasoning. Most Roman Catholics will cite Matthew 16 as getting this authority. Yet some of the very same posters say we cannot know what constitutes the NT canon without the magisterium and Sacred Tradition. Figure that one out.

This is rather alarming. Catholics don't need to get their doctrine from Scripture.
Frankly, he gave an honest answer and straightforward answer. Saves a lot of electrons as you can now proceed with the proposition "Catholics don't need Sacred Scriptures to establish doctrine." Thus, Sola Ecclesia is their model.

This is a matter of debate. I'm not convinced that the concept of Sacred Tradition was neatly developed at all even until Vatican II. Trent took the first crack at it. Try to find some Catholic sources pre-Trent which really attempted to develop the concept of Sacred Tradition. You'll find the word "tradition" in Catholic writings, but the concept of "Sacred Tradition" is not what's being communicated.

I believe this is a valid summary. There were edicts and bulls issued over centuries which in the time of the Reformation some of these edicts and bulls were unknown. Luther being a book worm dug some up to show the contradictions. For example, he had to go into archives to find the Council of Orange to find its canons. Meaning, the canons of Orange were unknown to most of the Ecclesiastical leadership.
 
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The Catholic Church rejects Sola Scriptura first because it is unscriptural; and secondly because of the incredible chaos that has resulted from attempting to use it. Those who believe in it and attempt to practice it have fragmented into thousands of conflicting manmade churches teaching thousands of conflicting, and therefore false, beliefs in just a few hundred years - exactly the opposite of the clearly stated will of Jesus Christ concerning His followers - "that they all may be ONE, even as I and my heavenly Father are ONE". He promised the ONE Church He founded, "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "The Holy Sprit will guide you into all truth", and "He who hears you hears Me". In those statements He revealed the only source of God's truth that exists on Earth - the teaching of the ONE Church He founded, including authoritative interpretation of its own early writings, which its bishops compiled into a book three centuries after Jesus founded His Church. You just can't beat God's plan.
 
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It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors to our own times—men who neither knew nor taught anything like these heretics rave about.

But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles.

With this church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree — that is, all the faithful in the whole world — and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition.
-- Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 189 AD

Irenaeus makes no appeal to sacred scripture here to respond to heretics. He instead refers to the Church's hierarchy and the tradition. To him, that settled the matter.

Bolded in Irenaeus quote from your post is Book III chapter 3.1. Now what is this tradition he speaks of? He explains in the same chapter, specifically Book III chapter 3.3:

3. The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man, who brought on the deluge, and called Abraham, who led the people from the land of Egypt, spoke with Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels. From this document, whosoever chooses to do so, may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached by the Churches, and may also understand the apostolic tradition of the Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are now propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another god beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things.
CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, III.3 (St. Irenaeus)


Matches what we can find in the written Holy Scriptures. His use of 'tradition' here is the rule of faith. Not all of it as he is specifically refuting a Gnostic point by establishing the tradition is we have One God.

Irenaeus does go into more detail on the apostolic tradition:

1. The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: [She believes] in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His [future] manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father to gather all things in one, Ephesians 1:10 and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess Philippians 2:10-11 to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all; that He may send spiritual wickednesses, Ephesians 6:12 and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly, and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire; but may, in the exercise of His grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept His commandments, and have persevered in His love, some from the beginning [of their Christian course], and others from [the date of] their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory.
CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, I.10 (St. Irenaeus)
 
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The Catholic Church rejects Sola Scriptura first because it is unscriptural
Where do the Holy Scriptures reject Sola Scriptura?

and secondly because of the incredible chaos that has resulted from attempting to use it.
Which usually happens when light shines on darkness.
 
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I'm not sure what the "reformed" appraisal of Against Heresies would be.
I would gather it would be that Irenaeus used 25 of 27 NT books and several of the OT to refute the Gnostics. Then when the Gnostics argued they had an unwritten tradition received in secret viva voce, Irenaeus had to establish his apostolic claim to tradition and show the Gnostics were raving lunatics. The interesting point is this apostolic tradition Irenaeus upholds is the rule of faith (later creeds) which are summarized basic beliefs from the Bible. Which later became the basis for determining a canon.

To show his central argument came from Holy Scriptures I offer the following:

Irenaeus recognized in the New Testament 25 books and letters, or every book except Philemon and 3 John.



Anatolius of Alexandria (270-280 A.D.) refers to Irenaeus in ch.10 p.149.



Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) mentions the
New Testament and the Old Testament in Irenaeus Against Heresies book 5 ch.34.1 p.563. He also mentions it on p.564

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) "It is not possible that the
Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. … the ‘pillar and ground’ of the Church is the Gospel and the spirit of life; it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing out immortality on every side." Irenaeus Against Heresies book 3 ch.11.8

Irenaeus mentions "examining the
gospels" in Irenaeus Against Heresies book 2 ch.22.3 p.390

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
Matthew 1:1 as by Matthew. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 3 ch.16.2 p.440

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
Mark 1:1 as by Mark. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 3 ch.16.3 p.441

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
Luke 1:6 as by Luke. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 3 ch.10.1 p.423

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
John 1:14 as by John. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 1 ch.8.5 p.328-329

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) in
Against Heresies book 3 ch.16.2 p.440 mentions the Apostle John along with the other gospel writers. In book 3 ch.11.1-2 p.426 he quotes John 1:1,10,11,14 as being by John.

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
Acts 8:9-11,20,21,23 (Simon the Sorcerer) as written by Luke. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 1 ch.23.1 p.347

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes all or part of 18 verses in Mark. In
Irenaeus Against Heresies book 3 chapter 10.5 p.425 mentions Mark, the interpreter and follower of Peter, in his Gospel narrative, and quotes Mark 1:2a. In the first twelve chapters of Mark Irenaeus quotes or paraphrases are Mark 1:1,2,24; 3:27; 4:28; 5:31; 9:23; 10:38; 13:32; 14:21b; 16:19.

Irenaeus alludes to Mark
6:41,44; 9:2; 10:17; 13:33.

Irenaeus mentions Jesus conferring the power to tread on serpents and scorpions, which is a reference to
Luke 10:19, but could also refer to Mark 16:17,18.

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
Romans 1:1-4 as by Paulwriting to the Romans. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 3 ch.16.3 p.441. Also Romans 8:36 as by Paul in his letter address to the Romans in Irenaeus Against Heresies book 2 ch.22.2 p.390

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
1 Corinthians 6:12 as by Paulin Irenaeus Against Heresies book 4 ch.37.4 p.519

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
1 Corinthians 8:14 as by Paul. Irenaeus Fragment 26 p.574

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
2 Corinthians 7:7-9 as by Paul in the Second to the Corinthians in Irenaeus Against Heresies book 5 p.3.1 p.529

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
Galatians 4:4-5 as by Paulwriting to the Galatians. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 3 ch.16.3 p.441

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
Ephesians 5:30 as by Paul in his letter to the Ephesians in Irenaeus Against Heresies book 5 ch.2.2 p.528

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
Philippians 4:18 as "Paul also says to the Philippians" in Irenaeus Against Heresies book 4 ch.18.4 p.485. He also quotes from Philippians 2:11

Quotes
Colossians 3:5 as by the apostle in the letter to the Colossians. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 5 ch.12.3 p.538

Quotes
1 Thessalonians 5:23 as "in the first Epistle to the Thessalonians". Irenaeus Against Heresies book 5 ch.6.1 p.532

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
2 Thessalonians 2:11 as in the Second to the Thessalonians. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 4 ch.29.1 p.502. He also quotes 2 Thessalonians 2:4 as by Paul "in the second to the Thessalonians" ibid book 3 ch.7.2 p.420.

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) alludes to
1 Timothy 6:4,5 as by Paul. Irenaeus Fragment 36 p.574

Irenaeus of Lyons (182-188 A.D.) "Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy."
Irenaeus Against Heresiesbook 3 ch.3.3 p.416

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
2 Timothy 4:10,11 as by Paulin the epistles. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 3 14.1 p.438

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes part of
Titus 3:10 saying it is by Paul. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 1 ch.16.3 p.341

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
Hebrews 13:15b as by Paul. Irenaeus Fragment 37 p.575

¼ Quote:
James 2:23 Irenaeus Against Heresies book 4 ch.13.4 p.478 "Abraham … and so became ‘the friend of God.’ But the Word of God…" In Isaiah 41:8b God says "or descendants of Abraham my friend".

¾ Quote:
James 2:23b "and he was called the friend of God" This exact phrasing is found only in James 2:23b. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 4 ch.15.1 p.481

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes all of
1 Peter 1:8 as "Peter says in his Epistle" Irenaeus Against Heresies book 4 ch.9.2 p.472

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) refers to 5 ½ verses in 1 Peter. They are:
1 Peter 1:8; 2:16,23. He quotes half of 1 Peter 1:12 and alludes to 1 Peter 3:19,20

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
1 Peter 2:16 as "Peter says". Irenaeus Against Heresies book 4 ch.16 .5 p.482

1/3 Quote:
2 Peter 3:8m "a day with the Lord is as a thousand years". This exact phrasing is found only in 2 Peter 3:8m. Irenaeus Against Heresies p.551

1/3 Quote:
2 Peter 3:8m "For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years" Irenaeus Against Heresies p.557

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
1 John 4:1,2 and 1 John 5:1 as by "his disciple in his epistle". He also quotes from John as from his disciple in the gospel. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 3 16.8 p.443

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
2 John 7-8a. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 3 ch.16.8 p.443 as by the Lord’s disciple in his epistle. He switches two clauses, but other than that the phrasing is exact, and this phrasing is found only in 2 John 2:7-8a.

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes 2 John 10,11 saying it is by John, the disciple of the Lord in
Irenaeus Against Heresiesbook 1 ch.16.3 p.342.

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.)
Jude 3 "faith delivered unto us" Irenaeus Fragment 36 p.574. Jude 3 has "the saints" instead of "us", but except for that this is the exact phrasing. This phrasing is found only in Jude 3.

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) alludes to Jude 7 mentioning Sodom and Gomorrah in the days of Lot, as an example of the righteous judgment of God.
Irenaeus Against Heresies book 4 ch.36.4 p.516. The concept of Sodom and Gomorrah being an example is found only in Jude 7 in the Bible.

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) "John also, the Lord’s disciple, when beholding the sacerdotal and glorious advent of His kingdom, says in the Apocalypse: ‘I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And, being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; and in the midst of the candlesticks One like unto the Son of man, clothed…" (and it goes one for much, much longer) Irenaeus in 33 references referred to 46 verses in Revelation.
Against Heresies book 4 ch.20.6 p.489

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
Revelation 6:2 as by John in the Apocalypse. Irenaeus Against Heresies book 3 ch.21.3 p.493

Irenaeus (182-188 A.D.) quotes
Revelation 5:8 as by John in the Apocalypse. Irenaeus Fragment 37 p.575



According to my count, Irenaeus quotes all or part of 223 verses from Matthew, 18 from Mark, 130 from Luke, and 109 from John. He quotes all or part of 88 verses from Acts, 291 from Paul’s writings, and 82 ½ from the rest of the New Testament.

Early Christian NT References
 
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Why does anybody have to tell you?
Quite simple actually. Sacred Tradition is binding upon souls in the Catholic church. They must know which teachings are infallible and must be held/obeyed and which ones are not binding but instructive.
 
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Apostolic Tradition is exactly what its name implies. The things that the Apostles of Christ left by example, word, and deed for Christians to use and profit from.

Excellent explanation. Now what were these apostolic traditions outside of the rule of faith?
 
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If there are problems that arise from having sacred tradition, there are more that follow if we reject it or say that it is unnecessary. I cannot speak for the Roman Catholic view but like true fiction said, it is the life of the Church lived and Christ established his Church first before he inspired the Apostles to write the New Testament. Thus the scriptures fit into the life of the Church and are not to be differentiated from that context, as if they were written for the sole purpose of being read alone (the bible certainty was not). Tradition encompasses the whole experience of the Church throughout the ages but particularly in it's liturgical function (which the New Testament gives us no clear directions on performing).

To me, if we throw out this tradition and insist on gathering in communities solely on the basis of the interpretation of the bible we neglect the aspect of the Church that came first (the community) and become intellectual clubs. Protestantism isn't a living communion like the Orthodox Church, it is a community gathered around a common ideology and it disintegrates as easy as the ideology changes. Orthodoxy is an ideology too but there seems to me in the emphasis on the authority of the Church, of the power of our baptism into the Church that there is something more to our gatherings than simply agreeing with one another.
 
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If there are problems that arise from having sacred tradition, there are more that follow if we reject it or say that it is unnecessary. I cannot speak for the Roman Catholic view but like true fiction said, it is the life of the Church lived and Christ established his Church first before he inspired the Apostles to write the New Testament..

Again, a sweeping description of Sacred Tradition as being the life of the church, etc.

What we are concerned with here, however, is the alleged use of Sacred Tradition to create doctrines that are not supported by Scripture. Obviously, it is important for the church, any church, to impose upon the people only those doctrines that are both necessary and true.
 
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Again, a sweeping escription of Sacred Tradition as being the life of the church, etc.

What we are concerned with here, however, is the alleged use of Sacred Tradition to create doctrines that are not supported by Scripture.

What doctrines are we going to talk about here? Trinity? Whether or not we should admit Apostates back into the Church? Questions the Apostles didn't necessarily answer and thus we have to rely on what the implication of scripture is or other precedents within the Church?

The doctrines of the Church are formed within the context of tradition, which includes the debate concerning the exegesis of scripture and what it means. This builds precedent and allows the church to decide between the contradictory ideas and establish one over the other. Thus it is perfectly legitimate to say the Trinitarian debates happened within the context of the life of Church which rendered an authoritative decision regarding the doctrine's place. Many of those doctrines you uphold were established using interpretive methods that Protestants have long abandoned in favour of strict readings over spiritual readings of the text.

If the scripture alone is sufficient, many of the doctrines (you can pick any) would not have needed to be defined with extra biblical sentences and words. Ultimately I don't think Protestants escape relying on the word alone, they have a tradition of interpretation which they insist is true just like the Churches before Protestants came about have.
 
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Bolded in Irenaeus quote from your post is Book III chapter 3.1. Now what is this tradition he speaks of? He explains in the same chapter, specifically Book III chapter 3.3:

3. The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man, who brought on the deluge, and called Abraham, who led the people from the land of Egypt, spoke with Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels. From this document, whosoever chooses to do so, may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached by the Churches, and may also understand the apostolic tradition of the Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are now propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another god beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things.
CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, III.3 (St. Irenaeus)


Matches what we can find in the written Holy Scriptures. His use of 'tradition' here is the rule of faith. Not all of it as he is specifically refuting a Gnostic point by establishing the tradition is we have One God.

Irenaeus does go into more detail on the apostolic tradition:

1. The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: [She believes] in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His [future] manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father to gather all things in one, Ephesians 1:10 and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess Philippians 2:10-11 to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all; that He may send spiritual wickednesses, Ephesians 6:12 and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly, and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire; but may, in the exercise of His grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept His commandments, and have persevered in His love, some from the beginning [of their Christian course], and others from [the date of] their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory.
CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, I.10 (St. Irenaeus)
And yet he still affirmed Church authority by apostolic succession. Even his comments regarding sacred scripture above can hardly be interpreted as affirmation of "sola scriptura" or something similar.
 
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