Problems with a 6000 year old earth.

[Arikay]

"Pagan culture always looked at the sun and assumed that the sun came first then the earth."

Science says that too. The Sun is older than the earth.

"Iv studied this topic for so long now,yet,im surprised at all the christians that try to incorperate evolution with creation."

It seems pretty easy to do. since after all, isnt science the study of gods creation?

"Theistic evolution is also based on Carbon dating which as been proven unreliable."

Its not based on it. And can you give sources?
Here is an example of carbon dating being "proven" wrong, unfortunatly the only thing that ends up being proven is that either the writer is ignorant of how dating works, or that he is lying to you.

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=43285

"There was never any flood of Lucifer!!! That is such a STUPID doctrine."

Im not sure I understand this part, can you explain further?

God created the earth in six litteral days. Evening and morning the first-sixth days. The first day was the rotation of the earth governed by the glory of God. I believe the first day gives evidence that the bible was not written by men but rather guided by the holy spirit. Pagan culture always looked at the sun and assumed that the sun came first then the earth. God breaks human psychology right from the beginning! Sence God is above human thought,lets give God cretit for creating the world in six litteral days. Iv studied this topic for so long now,yet,im surprised at all the christians that try to incorperate evolution with creation. the history of the gap is simple: Evolution comes out;and every christian is tying to find a way to please this new scientific thoery with one of their own. Before evolution,there was the six litteral days of God creation. Theistic evolution is also based on Carbon dating which as been proven unreliable. I think a better term should be:Kirby dating. yes,kirby dating!
Get your Kirby dating machine now! A salesman with a salespitch. thats all it ever was and thats all it ever will be. Im personally ordering my very own Kirby K-14 dating machine. It comes with the traditional vaccum cleaner and attactments.
When one gives up the theory of carbon dating.Then ones gives up theist evolution. Read the book,"Bones of Contention",by Marvin L.Lubenow.
There was never any flood of Lucifer!!! That is such a STUPID doctrine.

 

[JohnR7]

"Pagan culture always looked at the sun and assumed that the sun came first then the earth."

Science says that too. The Sun is older than the earth.

How could the Sun be older that the Earth? If you took a core sample 5 miles deep into the earth, and another one five miles deep into the Sun, are you suggesting that according to your core sample at that depth, the Sun is older than the Earth?

 

[goat37]

Yes the sun is older than the earth.... ever heard of gravity? The sun is the major gravitational source in our solar system. The sun is the reason the earth formed the way it did, and why the earth revolves around the sun. The earth didn't form in the middle of nowhere, and then float aimlessly across the universe until it got caught in the sun's gravitational pull.

Now from what I understand, it isn't THAT much older... about half a billion years, or just slightly more...

 

[JohnR7]

Yes the sun is older than the earth.... ever heard of gravity?

And what did the gravity pull together? The sun maybe older in it's present form, but all energy and matter could have been created at about the same time. You would have to show that at first all you had was pure energy and that the energy converted to matter at different times or rates.

 

[Arikay]

Well, it would be pretty hard to get the samples, and 5 miles isnt very deep (especially for the sun).

The sun is older than the earth because it formed first. The particles from other places (possibly reminants from a super nova or other destrutive even, not quite sure though) started coming together and formed the sun, the suns gravity started trapping more of the particles and they started forming together too. Since gravity is just based on mass, the more mass that formed the more it would draw in, so at first it probably took a bit to form, but once it got going it did it pretty quickly.

As was mentioned, the sun isnt much older than the earth, but it is older.

How could the Sun be older that the Earth? If you took a core sample 5 miles deep into the earth, and another one five miles deep into the Sun, are you suggesting that according to your core sample at that depth, the Sun is older than the Earth?

 

[goat37]

And what did the gravity pull together? The sun maybe older in it's present form, but all energy and matter could have been created at about the same time. You would have to show that at first all you had was pure energy and that the energy converted to matter at different times or rates.

Well, if you want to be technical about it, all of the energy in the universe was created at the same time (i.e. the big bang). Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, so therefore the sun would be the same age as the earth as far as the energy that makes them up would go.

However, it is believed now that the sun is actually a second or third generation star. Meaning the sun was created from the remnants of an older star that went supernova, and perhaps other matter from the universe that got caught up in it's gravitational pull.

The sun is believed to only be about 5 billion years old, while the earth is about 4.5 billion. That means there was still about 9 billion years worth of universe before the sun was formed. But that's a small fish in a big pond.

Our solar system is just a VERY small part of one of the outer branches of the milky way galaxy. There is nothing special about the sun, it is just considered an average size star. It is worth noting that the sun is about halfway through it's life cycle, meaning that it only has enough gas left in it to burn for about another 5 billion years.

 

[JohnR7]

Our solar system is just a VERY small part of one of the outer branches of the milky way galaxy.

Kinda makes you wonder why we have a BIG view of ourselves, when we are really a small part of things. But as they say, something can only stay inflated for so long, then it has to be deflated to balance itself out.

 

[Evo]

If we accept your evidence as being true, then all that would show is that the "day" in Genesis one are not literal 24 hour days. That they actually represent 1000 years each as Moses & Peter tells us.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in Your sight
Are like yesterday when it is past,
And like a watch in the night.

A watch is 3 hours. So a day could also be 8000 years, so the universe could be 64,000 years old, also.

This is the most misunderstood Passage by YEC'ers its clearly stating that time has no value with god, IT is not stating that God created the earth 10,000 years before he did or anysuch thing. If there were evidence to support a young earth (which there is none so all you do is attack radio metric dating; which doesn't neccesarrly prove anything only that radio metric dating is not absolute) you wouldn't even bring up that quote. THere is no way to interpert that in that way its grabbing at straws.

 

[Evo]

We see other Solor systems form (in fact they just found one in the crab nebula). And the way it works is the sun forms first, one of the major reasons we know this is by looking at other solor systems just forming. why is God creating new solor systems? he got board?

 

[goat37]

We see other Solor systems form (in fact they just found one in the crab nebula). And the way it works is the sun forms first, one of the major reasons we know this is by looking at other solor systems just forming. why is God creating new solor systems? he got board?

You referring to the one that is only 90 light years away? I have been investigating that one recently, very interesting Jupiter-like planet that they found there.

(when I say investigating, I mean after it hit the news, I went and did research)

 

[Jet Black]

This is the most misunderstood Passage by YEC'ers its clearly stating that time has no value with god.

exactly.... failing that one could also argue from the same passage that Jesus was born 2 days ago.

 

[JohnR7]

exactly.... failing that one could also argue from the same passage that Jesus was born 2 days ago.

You could argue that if you wanted to demonstrate that you know nothing about the Bible, Prophecy or Interpretation.

 

[Jet Black]

You could argue that if you wanted to demonstrate that you know nothing about the Bible, Prophecy or Interpretation.

why is the "one day is as a thousand years" any more correct than mine? taking the whole sentence in context suggests that time is irrelevant to God, which is my point, if you understand.

 

[JohnR7]

why is the "one day is as a thousand years" any more correct than mine? taking the whole sentence in context suggests that time is irrelevant to God, which is my point, if you understand.

If you want to throw out all of Einsteins work, then you could say that time is irrelevant.

 

[Psyber freek]

How could the Sun be older that the Earth? If you took a core sample 5 miles deep into the earth, and another one five miles deep into the Sun, are you suggesting that according to your core sample at that depth, the Sun is older than the Earth?

The creation story takes place from Earth's poiny of view. Even though the sun was made before earth, it took a long time for earh's atmosphere to become transparent and let the star's light through.

 

[Arikay]

Can you provide evidence that the earths atmosphere was Opaque (not transparent)?

As from what I understand, this is false because the earths atmosphere was always pretty transparent.

The creation story takes place from Earth's poiny of view. Even though the sun was made before earth, it took a long time for earh's atmosphere to become transparent and let the star's light through.

 

[Jet Black]

If you want to throw out all of Einsteins work, then you could say that time is irrelevant.

this post of yours is a troll post, and not worth my time.

 

[JohnR7]

this post of yours is a troll post, and not worth my time.

I prove you wrong and that is the best defense you can come up with?

 

[Jet Black]

I prove you wrong and that is the best defense you can come up with?

another troll post.

 

[JohnR7]

Can you provide evidence that the earths atmosphere was Opaque (not transparent)?

As from what I understand, this is false because the earths atmosphere was always pretty transparent.

The point is, whatever changes took place the Bible clearly says the changes took place in the firmament or the atmosphere. Also, there are plenty of geological records of when the atmosphere was filled with some sort of dust. It could be from a volcano, or a comet hitting the earth that stired up a lot of dust.