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You people think more about the man John Calvin than any Calvinist I've met. All you see is a label "Calvinist" and instantly you think "there's another follower of John Calvin, I'll remind him of Michael Servetus in a demeaning manner offensive to that wretched Calvinist".
Is everything you have written above, Calvinist Doctrine, or Baptist Doctrine?
I ask this because, there are some assumptions expressed which would logically lead to the conclusion expressed here.
Calvinists usually don't persuade Armenians to their side, or vice versa
There's no question that they can hear the holy spirit and learn about the father from it. They can believe in GOD and hunger and thirst for righteous. But they can't repent and believe in Christ until GOD illuminates their hearts with the understanding and knowledge of the truth.
I think everyone here would agree (hopefully) they had no choice or free will in their conception.
Why is being born of the Spirit any different?
The dead demonstrate faith?
Ephesians 2: NASB
1And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Arminians, please!
Armenians are people from Armenia.
Indeed.
It's worth pointing out that "Calvinism" does not mean the teachings of John Calvin, it means the teachings of the Continental and Scottish Reformed churches, as expressed at the ecumenical Synod of Dort.
I'm not even sure if John Calvin was actually a Calvinist.
The Dead cannot demonstrate faith!
If God has so much grace, why can't we all go to heaven?
The bible tells us that God loves the world very much.
Also, God was mad at the Israelites because they sinned.
Hebrews 3:17
He was also mad at them because of disobedience.
Hebrews 3:18
They were not able to enter because of unbelief.
Hebrews 3:19
So what kind of a God is this?
HE makes them sin and then gets mad at them.
He makes them disobey and then gets mad at them.
He makes them not believe and then doesn't allow them into the Promised Land!
He sounds like a mixed up god.
How do we all deserve hell if you believe God determines everything?
Is He a just God?
Why did He create us? To have some fun?
He makes Adam eat the fruit and then punishes us for making Adam eat the fruit?
I fear your god makes no sense.
And yet He is omniscient...
Yea, our puny minds cannot grasp all this wisdom. Mine being the puniest mind of all!
Indeed we can choose. However, in Romans 6 the apostle Paul tells us our will is either in bondage to sin and death or in bondage to God's righteousness.Verses about election are next to verses of free will it's not like God hide them somewhere deep in different parts of Bible .
Election goes hand by hand by free will and God's foreknowledge does not make you not have free will.
You have free will to choose but the choices you are choosing from are made by God .
Also God formed you in your mother's womb , he could choose to close the womb and you would not be born but he has choosen you because you are special and you will serve him a purpose . That does not mean God is choosing people who he will save . He can choose atheist to be born because two generations later there will be person born who loves God .
God also make circumstances where he uses pagans as tool to serve his purpose but they are still accounted for what they had done and are guilty of it , he just put them in there circumstances ( like prosperity ) so they could rise strong and for example take his people captive to Babylon which God used as punishment for disobedience .
Can you expound further before I reply?
Because they are nowhere near the same. Being born in the flesh didn't require faith.
Consider the differing sources.Muslims do it all of the time. Many of them have great faith. Having faith in Jesus simply requires a willing and illuminated heart.
Calvinists like to use the term "The mysterious sovereignty of God" to explain why He would seem to send people to hell for no known reason to us, without them having any hope otherwise.
Shouldn't it also be understood, when people use the term Calvinist, the majority are not speaking out of the understanding that it comes from "The Synod of Dort" but as they believe it is connected directly with the Teachings of Calvin himself?
God is Good. He also will punish transgressors. He says so.How does it not change God's nature if HE decides who is saved and who is not?
I thought God is an all good God...How does an all-good God send people to hell through no fault of their own?
I beg to differ. I use too be an Arminian. Go figure!!!
What he is saying, is that we do not have choice in either matter.
No the OP does not believe that. He stated God chooses according to His purpose.Election means to choose, or to select. That would be correct.
But the O.P. does not believe that God chooses based on demonstrable faith.
He believes God chooses arbitrarily.
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