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redleghunter

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Recommend you read the entire book of Romans. You would not be making the above post if you read chapter two.
 
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Recommend you read the entire book of Romans. You would not be making the above post if you read chapter two.
I know it quite well. Have you read the entire Bible focusing particularly on direct quotes from God? I can assure you, you will not like what God has to say about sin and man and the choices men make and the freedom to do so. You will not find him boasting about his sovereignity and men do always what he wants. But you might get a taste of what it is like for God to speak to you instead of Calvin.

Red, I am going to work now and signing off but I ask myself what good this is doing. You want your Calvinism and cannot address directly the verses I bring up. Instead you retreat to the verses that have nothing to do with the subject.

Calvinism offers eternal security that assures them heaven no matter what they do to whom. Whether God offers this or not remains to be seen.
 
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Talking about Calvin over and over
is like talking about Ruckman over and over
or going to the 24 reconstructed Greek N.T.
which do not match in content, volume and doctrine.

Let's look at the most published, distributed, translated,
preached and believed Holy Bible of all time,
and not conduct an abstract re-canonization of manuscripts
and selection of Greek word definitions.

The Holy Spirit already did that, you're 400 years to late !
 
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You quoted very few verses devoid of exegesis.

I will no longer entertain your Promethean theology.
 
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You mean the Textus Receptus ?
 
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You mean the Textus Receptus ?
Be sincere, you know that the textus receptus is not the most published,
distributed, translated, preached and believe Book of all time !

The textus receptus is not a Holy Bible !

It's a reconstructed N.T. Greek text.
 
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trying to figure out how he came to the conclusion in the first place as he keeps telling us it's all in the Greek.

Right. I see.

I'm still waiting for a reply from him on #862 on the same question.
 
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Be sincere, you know that the textus receptus is not the most published,
distributed, translated, preached and believe Book of all time !

The most published, distributed, translated, preached and believed book of all time is, of course, the Bible.

The best translation of the Bible is probably the ESV.
 
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You quoted very few verses devoid of exegesis.

I will no longer entertain your Promethean theology.
Thanks for the compliment that you were actually entertaining my theology. Doesn’t come from Prom- as i’ve never read his stuff. But labels are useful when someone’s position is challenging.

If you ever decide you want to know God, think of reading the Bible for that purpose alone. Hard to when saddled with man theology i know. But worth it.
 
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Be sincere, you know that the textus receptus is not the most published,
distributed, translated, preached and believe Book of all time !
Lol yeah I get it the Bible. But you mean the KJV which used the Textus Receptus (RT) right?

The RT was probably the best available in the West at the time of before and during the Reformation. Since then there have been a plethora of manuscripts made available.

I usually point out that Erasmus filled in the RT blanks by translating the Latin Vulgate back into Greek. He also heavily relied on the quotes and commentary of the early church fathers.
 
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The most published, distributed, translated, preached and believed book of all time is, of course, the Bible.

The best translation of the Bible is probably the ESV.
The best translation of bible. What bible are you talking about ?
Take all the time you need. I'll wait for your answer.
 
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This is a perfect example of what happens
when you have no final authority beyond
an refined sola scriptura theory
with theory no final canonization.
I didn't realize Baptists have an infallible human magisterium. You swimming in the Tiber?
 
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No, the Beza text was the primary reconstructed Greek N.T. text,
but certainly not the only one. Additionally, the precious translations
were extensively compared.

Really, this stuff is in the preface of the AV 1611 KJV.

Please don't get creepy, I'll say it again.
I said the most published, distributed, translated,
preached and believed Holy Bible of all time.
 
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Right. I see.

I'm still waiting for a reply from him on #862 on the same question.
Yes I noticed and I apologize if my post was not clear.

He said the answer was in the Greek, you showed the Greek. I'm guessing we will get his own translation.
 
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Yes I noticed and I apologize if my post was not clear.

He said the answer was in the Greek, you showed the Greek. I'm guessing we will get his own translation.

I'm guessing we won't get a reply.
 
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Yes I noticed and I apologize if my post was not clear.

He said the answer was in the Greek, you showed the Greek. I'm guessing we will get his own translation.
You're right !
There is no such thing as " the Greek " .
There are no original N.T. Greek manuscripts.
There are over 24 Greek N.T. Texts which do not match
in content, volume or doctrine. All of them are reconstructed.
 
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This is what happens with every topic when people
have an under developed sola scriptura theology.
The prideful get offended and the discussion becomes worthless.
The central critical issue in academic theology is final authority.

I'm going back to my thread.

Final Authority and Final Canonization
 
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The answer is the one that Jesus gave. It was NECESSARY. Now what you are doing is mistaking God knowing for God therefore determining. If you drop a hammer, do you know it will fall and therefore MAKE it fall? Knowing is not determining. Jesus gave us Gods motive. He was explaining the ways of God. If a person wants to understand God, this is vital.

I prefer to accept the Kingdom of Heaven as a child.
And stay in that baby Christian place your whole life? That’s it?
I prefer to accept the Kingdom of Heaven as a child. I do so by accepting Scripture, all of it.
No you don’t. I gave you a direct quote from Jesus as to why there is temptation and you saw it as deflection. You reject His answer to your question.
Does physical life have equal value to spiritual life? We're talking about salvation here.
So you think God protects a mans faith but not the body. Why did say Jesus many will fall away from the faith then?
Why didn’t he promise them God protects their faith and no one calls away?

If we want an example of falling away, look at Peter. Jesus said they would all fall away and they did. But Jesus told Peter he was specifically praying for him because Satan demanded him. There is no promise of this kind made universally though. So God does all that is within free will limits but he is not a tyrant of the soul chaining man to Himself. When the 70 left, Jesus let them go. So it is today.
That's simply awful. Why would you say that? I will never do it, sister.
If you think men always do the will of God or that God wills men to do evil, the Bible will not support that thinking. That’s all I meant.

On another post you said you prayed about this. May I ask some questions. Why does God in your theology choose some for heaven and others for hell? Make no mistake choosing some for heaven IS choosing others for hell.

Why does Jesus tell us to pray if it’s all determined anyway?
 
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