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sdowney717

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Amen! Salvation is of the Lord (Jonah 2:9).
Yes, completely and entirely of Him.
All things work to the good of them that Love God who are the called according to His purpose.
If your not called, then not all things work to your good, there is much evil in the world uncalled reprobate people experience, and it does them harm and not anything good, but this is also deserved as their sin requires God's justice, and only He may choose to show to them mercy or not and He says He does that according to His purpose and will. I tell you what I do, I ask Him for help everyday, anything I am doing I seek His aid, I tell Him I need His help and I really really do need His help for without Him I can do nothing.
 
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Sorry but your so wrong again, I can only respond in a logical way that makes sense according to the scripture.

No you're not. You're ignoring everything i present and jumping from one passage to the next. There is no logic in what you're doing.
 
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And as I pointed out Paul uses first and second personal plural pronouns. That's two groups.
 
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No you're not. You're ignoring everything i present and jumping from one passage to the next. There is no logic in what you're doing.
You have said that before and frankly I just don't see it.
Scripture is always in agreement with itself, if it seems like it is not, then our understanding is wrong.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God and all of it is profitable for understanding other scripture.
 
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Thanks for sharing. Well, me & Red believe Paul is addressing both as one. So please explain, your point, here? And sorry for the delay. I wasn't feeling well yesterday.

I did explain it. Paul uses first and second person personal plural pronouns. That's grammar. It's not my opinion or interpretation. It's Greek grammar. If you don't believe it you're simply denying the grammar or the Greek text.
 
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You didn't tell me where you believe I have Ephesians 1 wrong. You just posted what you believe.
 
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Can you expound further for me?

Sure. God created all things and place man in charge of the creation. Man messed it up. God determined to redeem it. He did this through Abraham and his seed. Christ is the seed of Abraham, the one who the promise of the inheritance was made. That inheritance includes the land. Christ died to redeem mankind and he will rule over the creation before turning it over to the Father.
 
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Scripture can't agree with anything, it is a writing. It doesn't have a mind. It is the human mind that must interpret the Scriptures. When there is disagreement there is misunderstanding. However, as I said, you haven't address what I presented. You just say, 'wrong' and jump to another passage. The passages aren't even incontext. Paul uses first and second person plural pronouns in Ephesians 1 showing clearly that there are two groups of people
 
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I differ with you somewhat on that.
I also believe scripture is God breathed words, not just man's words. The mind behind the words is God's mind. When we understand the scripture we understand why God does what God does. We do not understand scripture except if God reveals to us the meaning of the scriptures. Otherwise we get it wrong.

Luke 24:44-46 New King James Version (NKJV)
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44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, [a]and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
 
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The originals were God breathed. The translations come from men.

This is an example of what I'm talking about. Jesus opened the understanding of those men who were with Him. It doesn't say anything about anyone else. He opened their understanding not your's or mine.
 
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Thanks brother for sharing. Check this out. Graeme Goldsworthy once wrote, that even Christians need to hear the Gospel of Christ that Paul preached every single day!

The Swiss theologian Roger Nicole made tremendous contributions to the church in the twentieth century and continues to do so today. He once made the observation that we are, by nature, Pelagian. We assume that we have the power to incline our hearts to Christ while we are yet in the flesh. Our natural hostility to the sovereignty of grace is not instantly cured by conversion, which is why a majority of Christians still ride the horse of semi-Pelagianism and seek to escape the full implication of the doctrine of election.

Its by Christ Alone!

Keep fighting the good fight, brother.

Check out this site: www.whitehorseinn.org

White Horse use to be a tavern in the 1500's where common people would gather to debate theological issues
 
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We better hope He opens the understanding of other than them, and I do believe He does as Paul tells the Ephesians here

Ephesians 1:16-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers:
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,
18 the eyes of your [a]understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power
20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
 
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I did explain it. Paul uses first and second person personal plural pronouns. That's grammar. It's not my opinion or interpretation. It's Greek grammar. If you don't believe it you're simply denying the grammar or the Greek text.

Thanks for sharing I will check into it. But isn't the Law & Gospel preached to pronouns, anyway? I have no problem with this.

Because Luther said that the Gospel is offered to pronouns (You, Me, etc.)
 
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You didn't tell me where you believe I have Ephesians 1 wrong. You just posted what you believe.
I think we are not on the same page? I have been out of it. If you wouldn't mind? Ask me your question. Please be specific so that I do not caricature what you have asked?

Thanks in advance!

God Bless!
 
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Thanks for sharing this. How did Christ 'REDEEM' mankind?
 
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I will just quote Scripture: 1 Cor. 2:14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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That's about something different than the last passage. You really should look at the context pf these passages.
 
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