Probability of Origin of Life by Chance just went way UP.

[Jan Volkes]

Even if there were no other planets or environments for life in our universe it is not a waste. The universe is the exact right size with the right amount of stars for intelligent life to exist on earth. If smaller life would not exist as we know it.

How do you know that?

 

[Jan Volkes]

The reason for this is not that we take anything for granted but we have knowledge that you and others do not possess. Christians, have personal knowledge of God. That is the controlling factor in our conclusions and the way we view the world.

What do people who 'know' God know that other people don't know? you may think you have knowledge of God but how would you know other things such as the way you view the world?

 

[Armoured]

You guys believing in a 6 day creation event better start rethinking your positions.

They should, yes.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I responded above also but not directly to you. However God's purpose as expressed to us is to be worshped and follow his laws as expressed in the bible. If that be the case, why has it taken so long to get around to this? Why, as I said in my above post, does he act in such seemingly random ways. To not notice or wonder about such things seems to be at least taking a great deal for granted.

What random ways? Even those other planets follow precise mathematical relationships to all the other planets. So precise we can launch a spacecraft 10 years ago and land on a comet - just from the calculations provided 10 years prior. No random changes occurred between the time we launched and the time we landed. All was a precise following of unseen physical laws that we attempt to explain. Not randomly - but with precision.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/Rosetta/Rosetta_trajectory.jpg

All those other planets are needed because the earth would not orbit at it's present distance, speed, etc., if they were not there affecting it. It's all inter-related and without one then the conditions would be totally different as well as the forces involved. There is nothing random to it, all are required to produce the orbits you currently observe.

Every planetary system we have found outside our own has a completely different configuration, because in each and every one the planets are different sizes, orbit locations and quantities. No other configuration but this one in our system can produce the earths current orbit pattern.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150515-how-weird-is-our-solar-system

http://www.planetary.org/blogs/guest-blogs/2014/0505-how-weird-is-our-solar-system.html

And so our system has become the "weird" one of the bunch, the "odd" one out, the "unique" one.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I have been over that before. Sigh.

Obviously not.

 

[Oncedeceived]

How do you know that?

Its called Physics.

Stars are necessary for life to exist as we know it here on Earth. There are also physical constraints on the minimum (and maximum) mass of the universe. The universe could not have been much smaller than it is in order for nuclear fusion to have occurred during the first 3 minutes after the Big Bang. Without this brief period of nucleosynthesis, the early universe would have consisted entirely of hydrogen. Without helium (comprising ~24% of the matter in the universe), heavy element production in stars is not possible, so that no rocky planets would have ever existed in the entire history of the universe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_nucleosynthesis


Likewise, the universe could not have been a much more massive than it is, or life would not have been possible. If the universe were just one part in 1059 more massive, the universe would have collapsed before life was possible. Since there are only 1080 baryons in the universe, this means that an addition of just 1021 baryons (at 1.67x10−27 kg/baryon equals 1.7 mg of matter - equal to a grain of sand) would have made life impossible! The universe is exactly the size it must be for life to exist at all.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_03.htm#FO

 

[Oncedeceived]

What do people who 'know' God know that other people don't know? you may think you have knowledge of God but how would you know other things such as the way you view the world?

Where others don't know God actually exists when you do the world is viewed through that filter. It isn't well if God existed this or that wouldn't be the way it is. However, it is the way it is and you can look at reality without having a naturalistic bias. I can look at the reality of the world and not have to stay within the spiritual worldview because it includes the natural world but you all HAVE to stay in the natural world even if it doesn't make sense.

 

[Jan Volkes]

Where others don't know God actually exists when you do the world is viewed through that filter. It isn't well if God existed this or that wouldn't be the way it is. However, it is the way it is and you can look at reality without having a naturalistic bias. I can look at the reality of the world and not have to stay within the spiritual worldview because it includes the natural world but you all HAVE to stay in the natural world even if it doesn't make sense.

Surely anyone can use their imagination just like you have? I know I can imagine whatever I want.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Surely anyone can use their imagination just like you have? I know I can imagine whatever I want.

Obviously, you can. Where design is evident and evidence for God's creation you have to imagine how it could possibly be there, could have been produced in some imaginative way but you have to believe that its an illusion, your "self" is an illusion, the fine tuning of the universe is an illusion and even your thoughts are just illusions of self will. Materialists live in a world of illusion, theists are the ones that live with reality.

 

[Jan Volkes]

Obviously, you can. Where design is evident and evidence for God's creation you have to imagine how it could possibly be there, could have been produced in some imaginative way but you have to believe that its an illusion, your "self" is an illusion, the fine tuning of the universe is an illusion and even your thoughts are just illusions of self will. Materialists live in a world of illusion, theists are the ones that live with reality.

It's all an illusion if you don't have any evidence, why are you even speculating when you have nothing to go on?
how do you justify, it looks designed therefore a creator must have designed it? if you think it looks designed what you should then do is go look for a designer not jump straight to the conclusion that the designer is who you want it to be.

 

[Oncedeceived]

It's all an illusion if you don't have any evidence, why are you even speculating when you have nothing to go on?
how do you justify, it looks designed therefore a creator must have designed it? if you think it looks designed what you should then do is go look for a designer not jump straight to the conclusion that the designer is who you want it to be.

There is no evidence that shows evolution produced the apparent deliberate design with a purpose that we see in all nature. I know the Creator so I don't come to that conclusion without evidence of His existence and His identity.

 

[Jan Volkes]

There is no evidence that shows evolution produced the apparent deliberate design with a purpose that we see in all nature.

You're telling me what didn't design it not what did.

I know the Creator so I don't come to that conclusion without evidence of His existence and His identity.

I see, OK, that's the end of that then.

 

[Oncedeceived]

You're telling me what didn't design it not what did.
I see, OK, that's the end of that then.

Do you have a alternative that explains the design?

 

[Jan Volkes]

Do you have a alternative that explains the design?

If there is such a thing as design neither of us knows what, who or why it was designed, until we do we should reserve judgement not jump to conclusions.

 

[Oncedeceived]

If there is such a thing as design neither of us knows what, who or why it was designed, until we do we should reserve judgement not jump to conclusions.

No, there are millions of people who know who and why it is designed. It is a minority of people who don't.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Surely anyone can use their imagination just like you have? I know I can imagine whatever I want.

You have, when you imagined evolution by mutation instead of the reality we see all around us. Breed mates with breed and produces new breeds (variation) within the species.

Asian mates with African and produces an Afro-Asian. Done by the recombination of genes and new dominant and recessive traits. There is no missing links between the Asian or African and the Afro-Asian. They appear suddenly in the record. You are telling yourself stories when you say the fossil record shows separate species - because it shows merely different breeds of different species.

I'll repeat it again since you all ignore the evidence on a consistent basis:

These are merely different breeds pf one species,

As are these.

It seems only evolutionist supporters are ignoring the science.

 

[Jan Volkes]

No, there are millions of people who know who and why it is designed. It is a minority of people who don't.

How many people believing something does it take to make that something true? 1? 10? 100? 100,000? 10,000,000?
1 billion? 2 billion?
If something is not true it will remain untrue until it is shown to be true, belief in it either way is totally and completely unimportant.

 

[The Cadet]

Do you have a alternative that explains the design?

Pareidolia. We're hardwired to see agency, particularly anthropomorphic agency, even where there is none.

 

[Jan Volkes]

You have, when you imagined evolution by mutation instead of the reality we see all around us. Breed mates with breed and produces new breeds (variation) within the species.

That's right evolution is 100 percent wrong, now what? where do you go from here? let's here it for creationism,
what have you got to show us?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

That's right evolution is 100 percent wrong, now what? where do you go from here? let's here it for creationism,
what have you got to show us?

And yet you are arguing against a Christian claiming he can imagine anything he wants, just like you. So I am to assume you are all just imagining things?

Oh, I most certainly do believe 95% of both sides are imagining things. Evolutionists with evolution and Creationists ignoring the works to claim a young earth.

Or imagining anyone can explain a God that is invisible - in which no image can be made of Him except other such invisible images - consciousness has no image to be made of.

Not debating any of your views - just your false belief that one has to imagine anything - butt accept the data - the Works.