Pro-Life Protesting Behavior

[Monica02]

If she was going for a D&C then she wasn't going in for an abortion and has nothing to do with this debate unless you believe the first doctor was lying just so she would abort???

Medical malpractice and doctor error is an entirely different matter.

Posters have brought up the issue of abortion clinics offering other services and I thought this was a perfect example to illustrate this.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Show me some reality, and I won't be too surprised by it at all...

Try living on what a TANF single mother makes in a month and that's all the reality you'll need.

 

[Texas Lynn]

According to who?

Unborn children have heartbeats, they respire, they respond to stimulus, they kick, they even get the hiccups...

Who are you to say when life begins? I know that all those things thgat I mentioned may not be occuring by the time an abortion is carried out, but isn't life LIFE, even before it's outside of it's mother?

I'm talking about the law; the law determines this.

The idea the law should state otherwise is a recent innovation.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I am distinctly against abortion, or "anti-choice" as you called it, and I also happen to hold women in general in extremely high regard- I consider them to be a gift of God, deserving of nothing but honor and respect.

How do you imply woman hatred onto people who wish to not see children killed?

If you hold women in high regard you will respect their own moral agency to make their own decisions.

The last sentence of yours there implies a false dichotomy. Many who are anti-abortion are also against the government investigating child abuse.

One of President Bush's spiritual advisors, the Religious Right preacher James Robinson, defended a parishioner who apparently murdered his stepdaughter, the billionaire industrialist T. Cullen Davis. How Pro-Life!

 

[Texas Lynn]

What?!

My response to the absurd metaphor was to provide another of equal absurdity.

 

[Texas Lynn]

If the child can be safely birthed then there is NO reason for the abortion other then the love of aborting a child. Because clearly the person hates birthing the child so much that they would rather kill it even when they know full well the child could live and be birthed easily.

In fact it would be medically safer to birth the child as abortions run the risk of infection, uncontroled bleeding, and other serious medical side effect.

So you say, but that determination is best left to the woman and the physician.

You should listen to some of the recorded 911 calls from abortion clinics where a patient had to be rushed to the hospital due to complication resulting from a legal "safe" abortion.

No doubt a podiatry clinic has a comparable record of complications which occur from excising ingrown toenails.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Stop treating the women as objects, who don't have minds or souls. Some of them didn't choose to get pregnant, and even those anti-abortion supporters believe that they should not be allowed to have abortions, for reasons of rape, incest, or in case the mother's life is in danger, feel that these women should not even be allowed to have access to birth control.

Women, as those who carry potential life, are not breeding wombs, nor inanimate life forms who exist to make babies. They have minds. They have souls and decisions. And by God, they got the vote. Too bad. You can't turn back time.

Thank you for correctly froaming the issue.

 

[Texas Lynn]

First off most doctors recognize that the standard abortion has nothing to do with medical reason. The Doctors at the clinics get paid by the abortion and as such they are bias toward doing the procedure.. you know they have to pay for their expensive cars....As for abortion past viability that to is in my view murder unless a clear medical reason can be documented and supported. Clinc doctors are bias toward the abortion they dont get paid if the woman chooses not to kill her child.

it seems without fail in these threads, the anticapitalist arguemt rears up, used by antiabortion folks to discredit Doctors. Never mind that the late Jerry Falwell had a private Lear Jet.

Secondly as for the trailer park thing it really isnt any of your business what kind of life other people live. They are different from you, big deal...

I think you missed my point. FYI we used to live in a run down trailer park where most of the neighbors were undocumental aliens and meth heads. I used the metaphor to frame how antiabortion folks denigrate women who obtain abortions. Thank you for proving my point.

at least they are not killing their children off. And if they do we have laws to deal with that, it is called murder.

At present in America abortion is legal and you can rest assurred people are working to keep it that way.

 

[Texas Lynn]

According to the bible they are already life so yes they are babies. You dont have to believe the bible about it but I do.

The Bible says zero about abortion.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Are you seriously suggesting that God planned for women to abort their babies?

Not addressed to me but I'll give it a go. We all have our own views of what God "planned" or not.

The idea has a much validity as the idea God never indended for such to occur.

 

[Hunterkirk]

it seems without fail in these threads, the anticapitalist arguemt rears up, used by antiabortion folks to discredit Doctors. Never mind that the late Jerry Falwell had a private Lear Jet.



I think you missed my point. FYI we used to live in a run down trailer park where most of the neighbors were undocumental aliens and meth heads. I used the metaphor to frame how antiabortion folks denigrate women who obtain abortions. Thank you for proving my point.



At present in America abortion is legal and you can rest assurred people are working to keep it that way.

And I assure you that many people are working to end the killings.

 

[Hunterkirk]

Its funny. Most of that can happen during or after birth too

Funny NO they cant FUNNY that abortionis almost five time more risking then birth. Funny that..

If you really believe that back it up with a link.

 

[Steezie]

Funny NO they cant FUNNY that abortionis almost five time more risking then birth.

Care to back that up with reputable stats?

If you really believe that back it up with a link.

Ok http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childbirth#Complications_and_risks_of_birth

You take risks by having an abortion, you ALSO take risks giving birth. Granted our modern medicine has a huge survival rate, but statistically its more dangerous to have birth (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm) (http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/fs030220.htm)

Now in all fairness, there are FAR more natural births in the US and abortions so of course you're going to have more birth deaths than abortion deaths because of the disparity of occurance. However if you adjust the numbers, the death rate is roughly equal. So you're taking a risk no matter what you do.

 

[Angel4Truth]

wikipedia is not medical fora - wikipedia can be editted to say anything one wants it to say. Not valid. Please cite an actual medical source to say that birth is as risky as an abortion. Thanks

 

[Hunterkirk]

Care to back that up with reputable stats?

Ok http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childbirth#Complications_and_risks_of_birth

You take risks by having an abortion, you ALSO take risks giving birth. Granted our modern medicine has a huge survival rate, but statistically its more dangerous to have birth (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm) (http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/fs030220.htm)

Now in all fairness, there are FAR more natural births in the US and abortions so of course you're going to have more birth deaths than abortion deaths because of the disparity of occurance. However if you adjust the numbers, the death rate is roughly equal. So you're taking a risk no matter what you do.

LOL... Ok I will ne nice... Show me a study saying abortion is safer the natural birth...

 

[KomissarSteve]

Funny NO they cant FUNNY that abortionis almost five time more risking then birth. Funny that..

If you really believe that back it up with a link.

Uh...you should probably back up your claims with a peer-reviewed study, too, actually. Especially if you're going to take as aggressive a tone as you're currently taking.

 

[Hunterkirk]

A lot of those studies are outdated, some of them don't seem to apply to the U.S. in the slightest, and none of them corroborate your claims regarding the rates of serious complications from abortions.

I am still waiting for your sources.. So far all I have seen is dodging, Surely some pro-abortion doctor drumed up something for you to use.

By the way medically speaking 8 years old isnt out dated, in fact most studies are about one to two years old before they get reported.

 

[KomissarSteve]

I am still waiting for your sources.. So far all I have seen is dodging,

Uh, what? I haven't made any claims about any statistics; I've just questioned yours.

Surely some pro-abortion doctor drumed up something for you to use.

Nobody is pro-abortion.

 

[Hunterkirk]

Uh, what? I haven't made any claims about any statistics; I've just questioned yours.



Nobody is pro-abortion.

Then it would seem you have little of substance to offer to the discussion. As I am a kind fellow may I suggest going to a Planned Parenthood sight, I am certain they will have something of substance you could use.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Then it would seem you have little of substance to offer to the discussion.

I think I'm contributing quite a bit by challenging your unsubstantiated claims.