Pro-Life Protesting Behavior

[kevin36]

That would make sense except an "unborn child" is not a person.



Please. You have politicians claiming they're "pro-life" while support sweatshop labor, opposing the rights of workers to organize, opposing school lunch programs, opposing assistance for families, supporting invasion and occupation of other countries including the collateral damage that entails often to children, etc. and you make that claim about a normal procedure which is not even involving a person? No wonder people deride the anti-abortion extremists so if that's the type of myopic vision they have.

God says He knows us BEFORE we are born, and as such we are therefore "people" before we are born. At least in His eyes. I couldn't care less what the legal definition is.

 

[kevin36]

Sorry, you are mistaken.



Really? Your previous post indicated a noncognizance about the actual beliefs of many Christians.



That's got to be one of the most ridiculous assertions ever made on CF, not that there's anything wrong with that.



You have yet to refute the assertion.



It's getting mighty deep around here.

Oh, so now we've switched from me not knowing about Christianity... which means following Christ... to not understanding the beliefs of "...many Christians." I don't care what they say, just what the Bible says.

So you don't think that what the Bible says about harming unborn children applies to abortion? Why not?

 

[SallyNow]

Oh, so now we've switched from me not knowing about Christianity... which means following Christ... to not understanding the beliefs of "...many Christians." I don't care what they say, just what the Bible says.

So you don't think that what the Bible says about harming unborn children applies to abortion? Why not?

Not everyone simply reads English versions of the Bible at face value - ie, the "literal" or "plain text" reading. Many want to dig deeper into the Biblical history, into the cultures the Biblical stories were written about, into the way language and the meaning of words changes, and right back to the oldest texts that can be found.

No where in the Bible does it give permission for pro-life protesters to harass or degrade women walking into OBGYN and women's health clinics. In fact, the Golden Rule suggests it is very wrong to harass in such a manner.

A woman walking into the clinic may be faced with cancer, miscarriage, pain, cysts, or any other painful condition. Or, she may just be going in to get a refill on her contraceptives. Either way, she does not deserve to be yelled and screamed at. Think how painful it would be to be a woman who just had a miscarriage in her fifth month to walk into a clinic and be harassed by "pro-life" protesters! Or a woman who has just been told she is barren! Or a woman who must have an abortion due to an ectopic pregnancy, or dangerous tumour!

Those who harass and degrade women in the name of "pro-life" should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Morcova]

There is nothing civil about the barbaric practice of infanticide. The Spartans would take new-borns and leave them on a mountain to die.

And Yahweh wiped out all of the first born if egypt. How barbaric!

 

[Morcova]

Obviously not. But most infanticides are done as birth control.

Source?

 

[Morcova]

A place where people go to kill little babies is no more a medical clinic than Dachau was a medical clinic.

Educate yourself, alot more than abortions go on at PP.

 

[kevin36]

Not everyone simply reads English versions of the Bible at face value - ie, the "literal" or "plain text" reading. Many want to dig deeper into the Biblical history, into the cultures the Biblical stories were written about, into the way language and the meaning of words changes, and right back to the oldest texts that can be found.

No where in the Bible does it give permission for pro-life protesters to harass or degrade women walking into OBGYN and women's health clinics. In fact, the Golden Rule suggests it is very wrong to harass in such a manner.

A woman walking into the clinic may be faced with cancer, miscarriage, pain, cysts, or any other painful condition. Or, she may just be going in to get a refill on her contraceptives. Either way, she does not deserve to be yelled and screamed at. Think how painful it would be to be a woman who just had a miscarriage in her fifth month to walk into a clinic and be harassed by "pro-life" protesters! Or a woman who has just been told she is barren! Or a woman who must have an abortion due to an ectopic pregnancy, or dangerous tumour!

Those who harass and degrade women in the name of "pro-life" should be ashamed of themselves.

I agree with you completely.

The arguement isn't about how the women should be treated when they go in; it's about the act of abortion itself.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

The arguement isn't about how the women should be treated when they go in; it's about the act of abortion itself.

Um, well ACTUALLY...

The whole point of this thread IS about how women are treated when they go in...

 

[kevin36]

Um, well ACTUALLY...

The whole point of this thread IS about how women are treated when they go in...

I agree that yes, the thread was started about how somebody was treated while entering a clinic. We (I) got off that specific point and into a discussion on abortion itself.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I agree that yes, the thread was started about how somebody was treated while entering a clinic. We (I) got off that specific point and into a discussion on abortion itself.

Well, theres a bunch of threads on here to discuss the rightness or wrongness of abortion. Lets not turn this thread into another one, OR... use what we personaly believe about the rightness or wrongness of abortion as an excuse for people who, no matter their beliefs, are behaving in a totally unjustified manner.

The ends do NOT justify the means.

 

[kevin36]

Well, theres a bunch of threads on here to discuss the rightness or wrongness of abortion. Lets not turn this thread into another one, OR... use what we personaly believe about the rightness or wrongness of abortion as an excuse for people who, no matter their beliefs, are behaving in a totally unjustified manner.

The means do NOT justify the ends.

You're right. Abortion is a touchy subject for me, and obviously for many of us.

I previously agreed that the treatment the young woman recieved while entering the clinic was not correct, so I'll end it at that.

Rant officially over (for me, at least).

 

[PassionFruit]

As someone who has volunteered for Planned Parenthood for quite some time, and there have been protesters at the PP I volunteer for. Normally the protesters are okay they just stand outside and pray. However, there had been some who aren't too kind to the women or girls (sometimes men) that enter PP. For instance they yell at people saying things like "don't do it!" And the occasional "you're a baby killer/[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]/harlot!" Which is silly because 98 percent of the time many people aren't going into PP for abortions. They're going in for other reasons such as getting info on birth control, pap smears, STD testing, or just going in for the free condoms.

Generally, I'm okay with the protesters who because they're the ones who don't bother people.

 

[DarkWinter]

I am Pro-Life, and that kind of behavior is un-acceptable. Treating that young woman like that would be more likely to shove her away that have her do the right thing. We are supposed to treat them with love, to show them with our actions that we truly care about them and want the best for them. Aggresive behaviour is nothing more than a turn-off.

 

[Picture.Of.Obedience]

That kind of behavior is unacceptable. When we picket in front of our planned parenthood, we stand with signs, if people com eup to us we hand out flyers, no crazies hollering or anything like that.
That is just rude and wrong. Hopefully someone will make them aware of how wrong that is and they will change

 

[PassionFruit]

Well, like I pointed out earlier, people must realize that when people go into PP most of the time it's not because they're getting abortions. It's for other things, that's what annoys about some picketers is that sometimes they may yell at someone who is just going in to get condoms, pap smear, etc.

Or unless some of them think it's wrong to get condoms?

 

[paul123]

The problem with America is that we do things because we can.

 

[christalee4]

I was struck by the fairly dispassionate tone of your attitude towards the women or girls who are faced with verbal assault when they go into a Planned Parenthood. First of all, how do you know which girls are having abortions? Do they have a big "A" pinned on their chests? Many girls might be going to get birth control and physical examinations. Is the assumption that all women and girls who go to Planned Parenthood are "harlots" anyway, so you might as well unload your propaganda on all of them?

Most girls and women who decide to abortions don't do so lightheartedly. They may feel sad, guilty, scared, emotionally upset due to possible family strife over the matter. Showing pictures of aborted fetuses, calling the clients "harlots" is not only "not effective", it's cruel. You have a right to protest, but groups like yours may be more effective by being non-judgemental, praying, and offering your love non-confrontationally.

I'll just refresh this, since we are discussing the issue of the hassle of young women going into Planned Parenthood clinics, regardless of whether they are going in for an abortion, for contraception, and for a health exam. Planned Parenthood offers those now, for indigent young women, who don't have health insurance.

 

[SallyNow]

That kind of behavior is unacceptable. When we picket in front of our planned parenthood, we stand with signs, if people com eup to us we hand out flyers, no crazies hollering or anything like that.
That is just rude and wrong. Hopefully someone will make them aware of how wrong that is and they will change

Blocking the entrance to clinics, or blocking the sidewalks near clinics, and holding very graphic or rude signs can be just as bad as "crazies hollering".

Perhaps a better use of protester's time would be fundraising for women who have to take off time from work so they can give birth and give their newborns up for adoption, and for pre-and-post natal care.

I agree that yes, the thread was started about how somebody was treated while entering a clinic. We (I) got off that specific point and into a discussion on abortion itself.

There are many threads about abortion. This thread is about the harassment that is caused to women getting medical treatment.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Perhaps a better use of protester's time would be fundraising for women who have to take off time from work so they can give birth and give their newborns up for adoption, and for pre-and-post natal care.

There are any number of better uses of protester's time which would really contribute to lowering the abortion rate. The fact that they don't do them is merely more evidence that the anti-choicers aren't really about saving life at all, they're about restricting women's sexual choices.

 

[kevin36]

There are any number of better uses of protester's time which would really contribute to lowering the abortion rate. The fact that they don't do them is merely more evidence that the anti-choicers aren't really about saving life at all, they're about restricting women's sexual choices.

Oh, please...