NDNgirl4ever said, "Because the term "pro-abortion" implies that a person believes that all pregnancies should end in abortion. I do not believe that, nor does any other pro-choice person that I've met. Therefore, the term pro-abortion doesn't apply."
Not so...they believe that IF A WOMAN WANTS TO KILL...SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TOO. That is pro-abortion. The term fits...
If they put this to a nationwide vote....and you went to the polls and could pull one of two levers....
#1 is pro-life, abortion only to save the life of the mother
#2 pro-choice...abortion on demand for whatever reason
Which one is pro-abortion? Which one defends the life in the womb?
You cant sit the fence and candycoat what this is.....abortion is killing, premeditated killing...paying someone to kill. If you are pro-choice, then you believe a woman has the right to do this.
"If you think that all pro-choice people hate babies and children, please answer these questions:"
I never said they hated babies and children. But who could condone such a slaughter as abortion......what kind of a person?
"How do you explain the fact that many Planned Parenthood offices offer pre-natal care to women who want to carry their pregnancies to term?"
Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill. If you are pro-life, why support a place such as this? I mean come on. They kill babies and the people what work their making a living doing this. It outweighs whatever else they do. They also target blacks as most PP are in lower income neighborhoods. You never see PP offices next to Saks Fifth Avenue stores do you?
Black Genocide: Planned Parenthood's Evil Roots
They do underhanded things......covering up for minor children, selling fetal body parts etc....
Why as a Christian woman would I want to give one dime to a place that dismembers human children alive?
"Why did the American College of Nurse-Midwives release a offical statement saying that they OPPOSE efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade and would allow midwives to perform abortions? Note: the ACNM does not currently include abortion in midwifery training and only two states allow non-physicians to perform the procedures. Midwives in those states have to undergo independent training if they wish to offer abortion services."
Well of course they want to get into the business. LOL........there is a lot of money in abortion. LOL I mean geeze oh petes. LOL
Are they a Christian group? If they are not then why should we not be surprised that another humanist group believes this way.
You have no idea how dangerous abortion can be. Read the book LIME5 by Mark Crutcher. You have no idea the botched abortions, the deaths that happen each year that are covered up. You don't hear about them, because they rarely make the paper. What family wants the details of this in the paper. Doctors do anything to settle before going to court so they can avoide damaging their reputations...and business. And families don't want people to find out. Most deaths occur because of anesthetic. Most clinics do NOT have on staff doctors who are trained in administering this. The safety argument is a fraud. Most PP clinics do NOT EVEN MEET MINIMUM SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.
This is what the National Abortion Federation says,
"While it is true that NAF publishes standards for the operation of abortion clinics, they openly admit that there is no way of enforcing them, even within their own membership."
Suzanne Poppema, head of NAF’s Clinical Guidelines Committee, even admits that NAF
The clinics are not all monitored.
Warren Hern who is a NAF Board member, former head of its Clinical Guidelines Committee and author of the book Abortion Practice-helped write NAF’s abortion standards, but now calls them “ornamental,” cosmetic,” and “meaningless"
He also says that NAF “has never pursued a serious program of standards implementation and program evaluation,” adding that, “Following good standards costs money. And people don’t want to do that.” He also points out in his book that NAF has never implemented a system to monitor whether its facilities are following its standards.[/font]
All quotes from The American Medical News, “Claiming Abortion Malpractice,” By Diane Gianelli, 2/6/95[/font]
CBS did a news show (60 Minutes) about a Maryland abortion clinic that had killed two woman in botched abortions. They interviewed a woman by the name of Barbara Radford who at the time was executive director of NAF. They asked her in an unbelievable interview if she knew of the problems at the clinic. She responded that she was indeed aware of them but had decided to remain silent because, “This is the last thing we need. We had hoped that it wouldn’t get national publicity because of the political nature of all this.”
In the same program 60 Minute reporter, Marilyn Viero, pointed out that even though these laws could make clinics safer, abortion advocates fight them. That was backed up by then pro-choice State Senator Mary Boergers. She said, “There’s only so much of a willingness to try to push a group like the pro-choice movement to do what I think is the responsible thing to do because they then treat you as if you’re the enemy. We want women to make sure that women have choices when it comes to abortion services, and if you regulate it too strictly, you then deny women the access to service.”
CBS News, 60 Minutes, 4/21/91
In Crutchers book....he documents thousands of abortion deaths....thousands with case numbers and verification information. He documents PP clinics that have been closed because the standards are so low.
Here is a sample.
On June 14, 1977, “Barbaralee had an abortion performed by John Roe 781. After the procedure, she was noted to be pale and complaining of lower abdominal cramping, so she was kept at the clinic for an additional two hours. When she was dismissed, her sister helped her, weak and bleeding, to her car, where she lay in the back seat during the trip home. Several hours later, she was found unconscious in her bedroom and was rushed to the hospital. She was pronounced death on arrival. An autopsy showed a badly torn uterus, a damaged ureter and a large amount of blood in the pelvic cavity. The face and spinal column of her fetus were embedded in a hematoma inside her uterus. A subsequent investigation noted that although vital signs taken 45 minutes after the abortion showed signs of internal hemorrhage, Barbaralee was not examined again before being discharged. She was 18 years old at the time of her death, and had been referred to this National Abortion Federation member clinic by a local women’s group.
Perry County (IL) Coroners Report 6/20/77; Chicago Tribune 8/31/77; CDC Abortion surveillance Annual Summary 1977; St. Louis Post Dispatch 6/15/79
"Lastly, how come many, many people who work in abortion clinics have children and grandchildren?
Nope, but I don't believe that there is anything wrong with giving birth either. Therefore, I am not pro-abortion."
If you condone anyone to kill to solve a problem, if you want abortion legal....you are pro-abortion. But I know why you don't like the term......does not speak well...for the person who believes it.
How could you be pro-life? You cant....not and believe both sides.
And yes I did read the sites you gave about Midwives.
They believe care should respect human dignity. LOL Now they want to perform abortions. Oh yes this really respects the life in the womb doesn't it.
They also say they respect the basic human rights of all people.....All does not include the unborn child.
