Pro-abortion protesting behavior...

[TinkaBella]

Wouldn't you have to request counseling? Or any other service? I know when I make an appt to have something done it's because I'm already sure I want it done. If I'm not sure I seek counseling, either from people I know or an expert. Maybe people are confused as to how this counseling is supposed to work. I don't know the laws but like I said, in this case I personally wouldn't want it if I had already decided on an abortion. But that's just me.

 

[PassionFruit]

Wouldn't you have to request counseling? Or any other service? I know when I make an appt to have something done it's because I'm already sure I want it done. If I'm not sure I seek counseling, either from people I know or an expert. Maybe people are confused as to how this counseling is supposed to work. I don't know the laws but like I said, in this case I personally wouldn't want it if I had already decided on an abortion. But that's just me.

This is good point, some PP's offer counseling only if the patient wants it.

 

[Steezie]

Excuse me , but it was stated that all planned parenthoods offer options counceling when that is not true. THAT is what i* WAS ADRESSING so thank YOU.

Can you provide proof that not all Planned Parenthood clinics offer counseling?

 

[Angel4Truth]

I sure cant nor did i make any such claim, but that is irrelevant. The claim was that they all do and i personally know for a fact that that claim is errant.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

I sure cant nor did i make any such claim, but that is irrelevant. The claim was that they all do and i personally know for a fact that that claim is errant.

It would appear to me that you're talking yourself into circles. If you can't prove that all Planned Parenthood clinics DON'T provide counseling, then why can't you offer proof. Where was your fact, did I miss it?

 

[Texas Lynn]

The risks of the procedure was part of what was on the video that all the girls had to watch. After they watched it , they were given forms to consent and agree that they understood the risks of the procedure about to be performed on them. At no time again, was there any "options" counceling happening with any of them. It was "understood" that they were there for an abortion period and it was paid for before she was even taken beyond the front desk.

Lynn, Im 100 percent positive that there was no counceling of options done at any time. There was only an apointment made and then everything ive already described. The only other thing was the taking of vitals and a quick ultrasound to find out where the embryo was located in the uterous. This was done after the urine sample by the same nurse who took the sample. I was there with her the entire time with the exception of being in the room where the procedure was performed. Whether or not counceling was required by law - I dont know but the only consent was done by paper. It was read and signed that she understood what she was about to do and understood the procedure after she watched the video with the other girls.

That was the informed consent. There was no 'options' counceling and none was done beforehand. It was her first and only apointment there. She called and made an apointment. All she was told on the phone was the time and the date and the fee she would have to have up front.

So I guarantee you no counceling is happening at a lot more places than you think. What I witnessed was nothing more than being a number and being pushed through like cattle. It was all very cold, very impersonal and rushed because there were so many other girls there.

Whether your description is atypical or not cannot be determined. I know I've been to community outreach at PP for professionals and the staff we've dealt with were always appropriate.

I don't think PP or any other clinic has a duty to do otherwise from what you described. I'd certainly rather see women going to such as you describe than to any of those fake clinics.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Since its pretty much being stated that this isnt suppose to be happening, you have inspired to make some phone calls to the states medical board and let them know what is going on and find out if they are in fact suppose to be offering other options before that procedure is performed and if they are breaking any laws by not doing so. If they are breaking the law i would like nothing better than to see them closed down. So thank you for the information.

Each PP affiliate is different. I doubt they are not complying with law or regulation on such things because it wouldn't be prudent considering how there are so many woman-hating groups out there monitoring them.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Well at least we both understand that this statement "ALL clinics offer options counceling" is a false statement. Because they do not, its very apropriate for others to be nearby to offer those options.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Well at least we both understand that this statement "ALL clinics offer options counceling" is a false statement. Because they do not, its very apropriate for others to be nearby to offer those options.

I think all you proved was in one instance they didn't specifically.

 

[Steezie]

I sure cant nor did i make any such claim, but that is irrelevant. The claim was that they all do and i personally know for a fact that that claim is errant.

Ok, so? The vast majority of Planned Parenthood clinics offer counseling or atleast will give you a number where you can GET counseling. They are legally required to do one or the other if Im not mistaken

 

[Angel4Truth]

It only takes one instance to disprove that "ALL" do something they do not do. It was a false statement. Its best to avoid blanket claims unless you know for certain that 'ALL' really means all- which you cannot possibly know unless you have been to 'ALL' in each instance. I know of several women who have had abortions also who were never offered any options either - so all certainly is a wide overreaching untrue claim period.

 

[Angel4Truth]

They are legally required to do one or the other if Im not mistaken

you are mistaken.

 

[Steezie]

It only takes one instance to disprove that "ALL" do something they do not do. It was a false statement. Its best to avoid blanket claims unless you know for certain that 'ALL' really means all- which you cannot possibly know unless you have been to 'ALL' in each instance. I know of several women who have had abortions also who were never offered any options either - so all certainly is a wide overreaching untrue claim period.

Are you done nitpicking? Can you provide the location of a Planned Parenthood that NEVER offers any kind of counseling or contact info for a counselor?

 

[Angel4Truth]

I dont need to as i never made any such claim.

 

[Steezie]

I dont need to as i never made any such claim.

...You just did

 

[Angel4Truth]

No , i didnt. I said my own experience and the experiences of several people i know contradict the false claim that all abortion clinics offer counceling options. At no time did i claim that all of them dont. I would never be so arrogant to make such a blanket wide reaching claim as if i had omnicience to know everything about all. I do believe this has been thoroughly disputed. even one instance is all that is needed to show that all in fact do not do such. No more is needed and it doesnt make a reverse claim that i know everything about all in reverse.

This is utterly ridiculous. the claim was false and shown false, there really isnt anything left to debate about it.

 

[Skaloop]

No , i didnt. I said my own experience and the experiences of several people i know contradict the false claim that all abortion clinics offer counceling options. At no time did i claim that all of them dont. I would never be so arrogant to make such a blanket wide reaching claim as if i had omnicience to know everything about all. I do believe this has been thoroughly disputed. even one instance is all that is needed to show that all in fact do not do such. No more is needed and it doesnt make a reverse claim that i know everything about all in reverse.

This is utterly ridiculous. the claim was false and shown false, there really isnt anything left to debate about it.

But you are claiming that not all clinics give counseling. So please provide a clinic that does not offer any counseling whatsoever. And remember, nobody said that all clinics give counseling all the time. So the fact that you or your friend didn't get counseling doesn't mean they don't counsel others.

 

[Angel4Truth]

I gave an example of one that doesnt. Thats the only example needed to show that all do that. There are not laws in place in all states that demand counceling be provided. Not arguing this further. Im not who made any claim about it to begin with and the burden to substatiate what was stated is not mine. This is ridiculous and any fair minded individual can clearly see it.

 

[Steezie]

No , i didnt. I said my own experience and the experiences of several people i know contradict the false claim that all abortion clinics offer counceling options. At no time did i claim that all of them dont. I would never be so arrogant to make such a blanket wide reaching claim as if i had omnicience to know everything about all. I do believe this has been thoroughly disputed. even one instance is all that is needed to show that all in fact do not do such. No more is needed and it doesnt make a reverse claim that i know everything about all in reverse.

This is utterly ridiculous. the claim was false and shown false, there really isnt anything left to debate about it.

Did you or your friend ask about counseling services? Did you see if there was any cards for counselors avalible at the front desk? Did you ask the doctors, nurses, or receptionists?

 

[Skaloop]

I gave an example of one that doesnt. Thats the only example needed to show that all do that. There are not laws in place in all states that demand counceling be provided. Not arguing this further. Im not who made any claim about it to begin with and the burden to substatiate what was stated is not mine. This is ridiculous and any fair minded individual can clearly see it.

No, you gave an example of one that didn't in your case. You cannot possibly say that they absolutely never give counseling to any other women unless you are there with every patient.