Pro-abortion protesting behavior...

[Angel4Truth]

It WAS a planned parenthood clinic

 

[Angel4Truth]

Well i was there myself. I didnt rely on second hand information. She received no counceling whatever , only forms to sign stating she agreed and understood what she was doing.

 

[PassionFruit]

Well I can inform you that giving no counseling goes against the policies of Planned Parenthood. I know that certain PP's are different in certain regions. There are guidelines in which PP employees have to follow. So don't think this happens with all PP's. That particular employee should have been reported.

 

[Angel4Truth]

They didnt even personally tell her about the procedure. they sat everyone in a small room (about 8 girls) to watch a video on the procedures and then said that once you have watched your particular procedure being explained you could then go on to your waiting room and give your urine sample. Then after that she was escorted to the surgical room and i saw her again at the recovery room. No counceling at all. She brefily saw 3 different clinic workers besides the operative nurse and doctor, one who handled the paperwork, one who escorted her to the video room and took the urine sample and then the recovery nurse. There was no real explanation of post operative care either. Just a photo copies set of instructions and then after one hour she was checked for bleeding and told she could go home and was handed a precription for antibiotics - told to take ibuprofen for pain and follow the photocopy instructions if there were any problems and that was it.

 

[PassionFruit]

I understand what you're saying, but what I'm trying to tell you is that Planned Parenthood has to inform women about other options. As well as the risks that come with getting an abortion. The experience you're describing goes against the policies of Planned Parenthood.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Right. If this really happened, why didn't you notify the authorities? I'm pretty sure what you're describing would be in violation of federal law.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Angel are you sure that wasn't all taken care of previously?

I can't argue against anecdotal evidence but it's not conclusive for anything either.

 

[Angel4Truth]

The risks of the procedure was part of what was on the video that all the girls had to watch. After they watched it , they were given forms to consent and agree that they understood the risks of the procedure about to be performed on them. At no time again, was there any "options" counceling happening with any of them. It was "understood" that they were there for an abortion period and it was paid for before she was even taken beyond the front desk.

Lynn, Im 100 percent positive that there was no counceling of options done at any time. There was only an apointment made and then everything ive already described. The only other thing was the taking of vitals and a quick ultrasound to find out where the embryo was located in the uterous. This was done after the urine sample by the same nurse who took the sample. I was there with her the entire time with the exception of being in the room where the procedure was performed. Whether or not counceling was required by law - I dont know but the only consent was done by paper. It was read and signed that she understood what she was about to do and understood the procedure after she watched the video with the other girls.

That was the informed consent. There was no 'options' counceling and none was done beforehand. It was her first and only apointment there. She called and made an apointment. All she was told on the phone was the time and the date and the fee she would have to have up front.

So I guarantee you no counceling is happening at a lot more places than you think. What I witnessed was nothing more than being a number and being pushed through like cattle. It was all very cold, very impersonal and rushed because there were so many other girls there.

 

[TinkaBella]

I know nothing about the rules and regs of counseling at PP, but I do know that most women don't make the appt on a whim. I wouldn't need counseling and I wouldn't want counseling at that point. I would obtain it beforehand and THEN make the appt. PP doesn't go out and solicit women to come in for abortions and most of us have minds of our own and don't make decisions like that lightly. Of course there are a ton of people out there who don't use their brains who would benefit from counseling. And not just about whether to abort or not either. Although those are the ones I'd rather not see bringing children into the world.

 

[Angel4Truth]

While i agree that most have their minds made up before they make an appointment it doesnt adress the claim that these clinics councel options to the girls when they come in for one. That simply is not true. Its already assumed they understand completely what they are there for and they have already paid for it before they even have the procedure explained by video at that.

I saw a buisness in action. A quite busy one at that. Not a loving caring medical staff who care about the best interests of the person. It was very heartbreaking. I felt very sorry for those who were there alone and had just gone through it. I didnt see too much joy and relief either but very sorrowful young women and many quiet tears. the recovery nurse just seated them in recliners and handed them their meds and placed a heating pad on them and told them to rest quietly. then she would periodically check on different ones to establish if bleeding had slowed enough for them to leave and then they were escorted out of the recovery room with their instruction packet.

 

[PassionFruit]

Which Planned Parenthood was it? Or what region do you live in?

 

[Angel4Truth]

No offense to you but this is a public forum. I am not giving out personal information to the general public about the area in which I reside. Im sorry.

 

[PassionFruit]

No offense to you but this is a public forum. I am not giving out personal information to the general public about the area in which I reside. Im sorry.

Fair enough, but I'm just surprised at this, Planned Parenthood is supposed to provide patients with options. I'm not asking you to give personal information, I was just wondering where this PP was.

 

[TinkaBella]

While i agree that most have their minds made up before they make an appointment it doesnt adress the claim that these clinics councel options to the girls when they come in for one. That simply is not true. Its already assumed they understand completely what they are there for and they have already paid for it before they even have the procedure explained by video at that.

I saw a buisness in action. A quite busy one at that. Not a loving caring medical staff who care about the best interests of the person. It was very heartbreaking. I felt very sorry for those who were there alone and had just gone through it. I didnt see too much joy and relief either but very sorrowful young women and many quiet tears. the recovery nurse just seated them in recliners and handed them their meds and placed a heating pad on them and told them to rest quietly. then she would periodically check on different ones to establish if bleeding had slowed enough for them to leave and then they were escorted out of the recovery room with their instruction packet.

I'm not sure what kind of environment you think there should be. Something more emotional? More hand holding? Some "there, there's" thrown in for good measure? Again, that is NOT the kind of thing everyone would want. For me it would be business at that point (the emotional stuff being taken care of beforehand) and I would want to be in and out as fast as possible. While I understand you, a pro lifer, wouldn't like that it's not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Since its pretty much being stated that this isnt suppose to be happening, you have inspired to make some phone calls to the states medical board and let them know what is going on and find out if they are in fact suppose to be offering other options before that procedure is performed and if they are breaking any laws by not doing so. If they are breaking the law i would like nothing better than to see them closed down. So thank you for the information.

 

[Angel4Truth]

While I understand you, a pro lifer, wouldn't like that it's not necessarily a bad thing.

Its a bad thing when people are telling untruths and stating that people are receiving counceling when in fact they are not. Please read back through this thread and see what was being adressed. Thank you.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Since its pretty much being stated that this isnt suppose to be happening, you have inspired to make some phone calls to the states medical board and let them know what is going on and find out if they are in fact suppose to be offering other options before that procedure is performed and if they are breaking any laws by not doing so. If they are breaking the law i would like nothing better than to see them closed down. So thank you for the information.

I wouldn't hold your breath. Some heads may roll, but they'll be replaced. And thank God for that; at this point in history, the choices are to keep abortions need to be kept safe, legal, and rare; or dangerous, illegal, and not necessarily rare.

 

[TinkaBella]

Its a bad thing when people are telling untruths and stating that people are receiving counceling when in fact they are not. Please read back through this thread and see what was being adressed. Thank you.

I'm not address whats been stated in the entire thread, I was responding to your description of the experience you had, and how it bothered you. Because it wouldn't bother everyone. Thank YOU.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Excuse me , but it was stated that all planned parenthoods offer options counceling when that is not true. THAT is what i* WAS ADRESSING so thank YOU.

 

[PassionFruit]

Excuse me , but it was stated that all planned parenthoods offer options counceling when that is not true. THAT is what i* WAS ADRESSING so thank YOU.

Planned Parenthood does offer all options, that's why I wanted to know which PP you were talking about, because not offering options goes against the policies of PP. Perhaps that particular PP you visited wasn't following the proper guidelines in regards to telling women about their options as well as offering counseling. I want to let you know that all PP's aren't like the one you visited.