Pro-abortion protesting behavior...

[chaz345]

So it's okay to label someone who is pro-choice as "pro-abortion" even though you're aware of the fact that it's not entirely accurate, just counter being called anti-choice?

I'm not going argue about labels, but I have pointed before that being pro-choice means a variety things, not just about believing that abortion should be legal.

Just a pro-life means a variety of things beyond just believing that abortion should be illegal.

I didn't mean to say that either label was fair or correct, I just meant that if you are going to object to one, you probably should object to the other too.

 

[KomissarSteve]

How exactly should I understand the deathscorts outstreching their arms and telling the young lady walking over to us to not talk to us and to go back into the clinic?

Becaaaaaaaaause she may not have been coming over to find out what you guys were about, and instead wanted to come over to curse you guys out?

 

[Texas Lynn]

I don't think there's really a such thing as pro-abortion protesters.

I can state without equivocation there is no such thing.

 

[Monica02]

Becaaaaaaaaause she may not have been coming over to find out what you guys were about, and instead wanted to come over to curse you guys out?

She could have done that from where she was already standing. She did not seem angry at us. We were asking her to come and talk to us and she was walking over to us when the deathscorts interfered.

 

[KomissarSteve]

She could have done that from where she was already standing.

Sometimes it's pretty satisfying to shout it in someone's face when they really have it coming.

She did not seem angry at us. We were asking her to come and talk to us and she was walking over to us when the deathscorts interfered.

I find it pretty unlikely that she would have had anything except for righteous indignation at your group's close-mindedness.

And please stop calling them "deathscorts," unless you want me to start referring to you as a pro-mutilationist.

 

[Texas Lynn]

What he means is pro-choice advocates. Pro-choice demonstrations usually happen outside of government buildings and as counter-demonstrations at pro-life demonstrations.

Ah, so it's a little like when, in Fast Times At Ridgemont High when Mark Spiccoli (Sean Penn) called the teacher Mr. Hand (Ray Walston) a vulgar name because Mr. Hand tore up Spiccoli's attendence card, afterward a girl said to another, "Did you hear, a surfer pulled a knife on Mr. Hand!"

 

[Monica02]

Sometimes it's pretty satisfying to shout it in someone's face when they really have it coming.


I find it pretty unlikely that she would have had anything except for righteous indignation at your group's close-mindedness.

And please stop calling them "deathscorts," unless you want me to start referring to you as a pro-mutilationist.

You can call me whatever you want, I know what I do and who I am. Why do you have such a hard time believing my story? Alot of people stop and talk to us and are very supportive. We have talked to many abortion bound women at the clinic and they have wanted to talk to us. The converstaions are amiable
and very often the women decide to not abort.

 

[Texas Lynn]

As for the pro-abortionist whom like to say "they are not for abortion" it is impossable to want to keep abortion legal every time all the time even up to the last few second of birth and be able to say that your not pro-abortion. It is impossable to say you are against laws showing the child moving inside the mother in the hopes it may change her mind and then say your not pro-abortion. It is impossable to say your ok with underage children having abortions with out their parents consent or even knowledge and that your ok with abortion clinic's hiding the crime of rape from the government (Hiding such information is a federal crime itself and can result in jail time for the doctor hiding the crime... see child abuse laws) and say your not pro-abortion. It is impossable to say your against abstinance being taught in the schools and say your not pro-abortion. The title Pro-Choice is a cover up 9 out of 10 times.

No one is a "pro-abortionist. And it is not only "possible" to say the things you say, I've seen it done in some cases!

That abstinence one was the most absurd yet. Are you auditioning for FSTDT?

 

[Steezie]

How exactly should I understand the deathscorts outstreching their arms and telling the young lady walking over to us to not talk to us and to go back into the clinic?

Maybe pro-lifer's style of protesting that include shouting, waving graphic pictures around, harassment, occasional violence, sometimes destruction of private property and every now and then murder is enough to make people nervous of large groups of pro-life protesters.

 

[Texas Lynn]

If pro-life people can be called "anti-choice" by the other side then use of the label "pro-abortion" is entirely fair, even if it is not totally factually descriptive.

It's kind of apples and oranges.

Choice is choice; to favor choice is not to favor abortion in the same manner as to oppose choice is to oppose abortion.

 

[Monica02]

Maybe pro-lifer's style of protesting that include shouting, waving graphic pictures around, harassment, occasional violence, sometimes destruction of private property and every now and then murder is enough to make people nervous of large groups of pro-life protesters.

So are you saying that the deathscorts were perhaps trying to protect the abortion bound lady from us?

The only violence at that clinic (other than the abortions) has been when one of the deathscorts shoved a pro-lifer and an out of control police officer (who is currently in the process of being fired for his actions ) verbally assaulted us and touched us inappropiatly and poked one of us. The deathscorts call the police for if we so much as sneeze and their complaints were getting so ridiculous that our lawyer had to have a talk with the Police Department. This harassment from the deathscorts and the police has since been halted.

It would seem that the this poor abortion bound lady needs protected from the dathscorts - not the pro-lifers.

 

[KomissarSteve]

You can call me whatever you want, I know what I do and who I am.

I sincerely doubt the former; if you did, you would not protest legalized abortions.

Why do you have such a hard time believing my story?

Because you're an idealist who clearly hasn't thought her ideology through, and idealists constantly look for random events that appear to validate their ideology.

 

[KomissarSteve]

So are you saying that the deathscorts were perhaps trying to protect the abortion bound lady from us?

The only violence at that clinic (other than the abortions) has been when one of the deathscorts shoved a pro-lifer and an out of control police officer (who is currently in the process of being fired for his actions ) verbally assaulted us and touched us inappropiatly and poked one of us.

Refresh my memory - when's the last time a pro-choice group sniped pro-life activists, or blew up one of their centers?

 

[Steezie]

So are you saying that the deathscorts were perhaps trying to protect the abortion bound lady from us?

It would seem that the this poor abortion bound lady needs protected from the dathscorts - not the pro-lifers.

I agree with Steve, pro-choice people arent likely to throw firebombs or shoot at doctors

 

[Caitlin.ann]

I heard a priest talk of such people urinating on pro-life protesters and barbequeing fetuses. Any thoughts or comments?

I'd also like to see some factual links. I have never heard of any of that nonsense happening. You shouldn't believe everything you hear. In any case, I can't wait to see how the rest of this is going to turn out.

 

[Monica02]

Refresh my memory - when's the last time a pro-choice group sniped pro-life activists, or blew up one of their centers?

Well, not that your post has anything to do whith the situation at the abortion clinic where I counsel, but a quick search yielded this.

http://www.gargaro.com/otherside.html

 

[KomissarSteve]

Well, not that your post has anything to do whith the situation at the abortion clinic where I counsel, but a quick search yielded this.

http://www.gargaro.com/otherside.html

There's a pretty huge difference between a few random scuffles where nobody was killed and meaningless threats, and actually premeditated terrorist attacks upon legal establishments. I never said that the pro-choice side is completely innocent - just that they haven't taken it to the level that the pro-life side has.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I belive is much more pro-abortion to keep the youth from knowing how to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancies(often ending in abortions) or std due to fundamentalism and bigotry. This is just a proof that what you want is to control people's sexual choiches rather than "to save children".
They taught us how to use condoms properly and how other birth control works in my sex ed class and it was all done really well...guess what? there has never been pregnant girl in that school for the 4 years i've been there and i've never heard of one ever.

Anti-abortion folks tend to not be so much against abortion as in favor of controlling women. Hence, things like opposing the dissemination of realistic sex information.

 

[Steezie]

Well, not that your post has anything to do whith the situation at the abortion clinic where I counsel, but a quick search yielded this.

http://www.gargaro.com/otherside.html

Threats, vandalism, and phonecalls.....

On the OTHER side of the coin, you have pro-life people murdering abortion doctors and burning down clinics. Im really not seeing the comparison here

 

[Texas Lynn]

But I have heard of Paul Hill, James Kopp, John Salvi, and Eric Rudolph.

They all had a support network and the official antiabortion groups blamed their victims for what occurred.