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um, yes. when i was younger (16,) i got caught sneaking out of the house one night. my car was taken away from me for a month.
was i punished? yes
was it humane? yes
so the idea that punishment can only be "real" punishment if it's inhumane is, well, kinda nonsensical.
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The question should be, I think:
Is it really punishment if you don't learn from it?
Not to say that punishments necessarily have to be humane (though I think that they most often should be) but that it shouldn't be the measuring stick.
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Punishment means intentionally inflicting harm on a person. Whether you or I or whoever calls that "inhumane" or not is merely a semantics issue, though.
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And how humane is it to deprive someone of choice? You could have done lots of things if you had had the car, you were put to suffer by taking away those possibilities from you.
It's only a matter of magnitude of suffering.
It's only a matter of magnitude of suffering.
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Exactly, which means that there is no objective way of distinguishing between humane and inhumane. Which means, "cruel and unusual punishment" is rhetorical nonsense which can mean just about anything.
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Sure there isn´t.
I do not think that this follows necessarily. We can take a look at society X and its definition of "inhumane", and notice that the way it officially treats persons is inhumane by its own standards. This is not rhethorical nonsense and it does have a discernable meaning.
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