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Hello all!

First, I want to say that I'm new to the forums and hope I can contribute positively to the postings!

Second, I have a small question. I am a fairly new Christian, being reborn a few short months ago. In this time, I have found that pride is pretty much a useless thing. My question is this: Is wanting respect as useless as pride? Bible verses are most welcome on the subject of respect!

Thanks all!
 
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First off, congrats and welcome.

Secondly, pride and respect are very different things. Pride in itself, I don't see as a bad thing. It becomes bad once you become full of yourself and it blinds you to what is really important.

I don't think that wanting respect is bad at all, but you have to earn respect. For instance, take a pro sports star. He would probably tell you that I should respect him because of who he is and what he does. I don't. My father on the other hand has earned my respect. He has earned it as a strong Christian, father, and husband. He has earned it because of his work ethic and values and how he brought me up. He has earned it because of his contributions to the church, youth ministries and missions ministries. He does all these things for the right reasons, because he has the utmost love and respect for God. This is why I respect him.

You can't just expect people to respect you, you have to give them a reason to respect you. Live your life the way God would have you live it and you will earn the respect of others around you.

Where pride becomes a problem is when you take this newfound respect and it goes to your head. You get prideful and oftentimes boastful. If you have earned the respect of others, thank God that you have touched them in some way and continue to lead by example, knowing that since they now respect you, they watch you more closely.

I'll post again when I find a couple verses that might work for ya.
 
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Here ya go

These passages are how you will gain respect of your fellow man and show you who you should respect as well.

1 Thessalonians 4
11Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we told you, 12so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so that you will not be dependent on anybody.

1 Thessalonians 5
12Now we ask you, brothers, to respect those who work hard among you, who are over you in the Lord and who admonish you. 13Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other. 14And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else.
16Be joyful always; 17pray continually; 18give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

As for Pride

Galatians 6
3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, 5for each one should carry his own load.
 
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Thank you for the effort of scipture look-ups! They've helped shed some light on the subject.

I personally dont worry about earning respect of others. I have too much to concentrate on in serving The Lord and correcting my sins to worry about earning respect. Although, I see where one would gain respect from others out of his devotion to The Lord. I'm just worried if it's wrong for me to feel this way about respect.
 
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It seems you have the right attitude. Gain respect by your works, don't expect respect. It will be gained in time. With that respect comes the responsibility to encourage, help and lead those that respect you. You must also show them the same respect back. Respect that they want to better themselves and they are looking to you for help.
 
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One Son of Many said:
Hello all!

First, I want to say that I'm new to the forums and hope I can contribute positively to the postings!

Second, I have a small question. I am a fairly new Christian, being reborn a few short months ago. In this time, I have found that pride is pretty much a useless thing. My question is this: Is wanting respect as useless as pride? Bible verses are most welcome on the subject of respect!

Thanks all!
:wave: Welcome to CF!

I'm a new Christian myself. I've grown up in church and always known what God wants, but I chose to ignore. Now I have a personal relationship with God, and I am bound to Him. Everything in life is different.

Pride is definetly useless. Respect on the other hand is something which is earned. Wanting and aquiring are 2 different matters. Respect comes from actions, not because a person feels they are deserving. Wanting is useless unless a person decideds to do something about it. I wanted to be close to God but before I did something about it I wasn't. I didn't get close to God because I wanted special treatment from Him. I did it b/c I wanted to give God special treatment. When I was able to humble myself before Him, I was then able to begin a close relationship with Him.
 
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Greetings everybody, in the name of the LORD.
I post these verses as a help in your growing, in a modern translation and in plain english, both say the same thing but both show a new way of looking at scripture.
The Message
Philippians 2:3-8
Don't push your way to the front; don't sweet-talk your way to the top. Put yourself aside, and help others get ahead.
2:4
Don't be obsessed with getting your own advantage. Forget yourselves long enough to lend a helping hand.
2:5
Think of yourselves the way Christ Jesus thought of himself.
2:6
He had equal status with God but didn't think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what.
2:7
Not at all. When the time came, he set aside the privileges of deity and took on the status of a slave, became human!
2:8
Having become human, he stayed human. It was an incredibly humbling process. He didn't claim special privileges. Instead, he lived a selfless, obedient life and then died a selfless, obedient death - and the worst kind of death at that: a crucifixion.

May the Holy Spirit illumenate your path.
SHALOM.

The Bible in Basic English Philippians 2:3-8
Doing nothing through envy or through pride, but with low thoughts of self let everyone take others to be better than himself;
2:4
Not looking everyone to his private good, but keeping in mind the things of others.
2:5
Let this mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus,
2:6
To whom, though himself in the form of God, it did not seem that to take for oneself was to be like God;
2:7
But he made himself as nothing, taking the form of a servant, being made like men;
2:8
And being seen in form as a man, he took the lowest place, and let himself be put to death, even the death of the
cross.

May the Holy Spirit illuminate the path as you go.
SHALOM. :priest:
 
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Thanks for the references. I feel stronger in my knowledge on this subject now!

Now, how about humbleness? Is humbleness something you feel or know? Is there a way to "know" if you are humble? Is there an awareness to humbleness?
Any certain things to do to help achieve or increase in humbleness? I've been reading my bible (remember, i'm a pretty new christian) and haven't ran into specifics yet. Seen a couple references though.

All verse quotes are welcome!
 
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Check a the reference series by Barclay on the greek words of the New Testament.

The explanation I remember about the word for pride, is that was used in the day to refer to the "over-weaning attitude" of one person for another. Like, if you could imagine a rough communication from a mother to her baby of say 1 year that it was time to get his milk elsewhere. Really that helps me. To think of that 'No, I have no need of you, you tire me, get away!' attitude...now that's nasty pride.

The word for humility, which I understand is the antithesis of pride is the clarity of being where you know, and know that you know of your total need for God, and you even your need for the giftedness, and companionship of your brothers and sister in our human state. To know that without Christ you too are as lost as the smallest most untalented, unattractive sinner on earth.
 
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A man's pride will bring him low, but the humble in spirit will retain honor. Proverbs 29:23

But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble"... Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord and He will lift you up. James 4:6

By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches and honor and life. Proverbs 22:4
 
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I have pride in my life, and who here doesnt, Jesus has been dealing with me in this area and many other areas, but thats just it Jesus is so sweet and merciful he loves his children still even when they do wrong, He will never leave nor forsake us!! we grow from Glory to Glory Amen
Lots of Love
 
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Greetings,
Try this!
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Therefore, it is quite appropriate for all people, from the poor to ancient Near Eastern kings, to describe their submission to God by the term "meek" (Moses in Num 12:3). On the other hand, this quality by definition cannot be predicated of God, and therefore constitutes one of the attributes of creatures that they do not share with their Creator. Nevertheless, in the incarnation Jesus is freely described as meek, a concomitant of his submission to suffering and to the will of the Father (Matt 11:29; 21:5; 2 Cor 10:1). The single most frequently attested context in which the meek are mentioned in the Bible is one in which they are vindicated and rewarded for their patient endurance (Psalm 22:26; 25:9; 37:11; 76:9; 147:6; 149:4; Isa 11:4; 29:19; 61:1; Zeph 2:3; Matt 5:5).
Samuel A. Meier
SHALOM
 
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