Pride and humility

[Pure760]

"Pride leads to disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom." -Proverbs 11:2

I'm wondering, since the two are in the same line. Does this mean pride with humility is ok? I've been confused about pride for awhile I'm not sure if its a good or bad to thing to have when balanced with humility.

I'm not looking for opinions I'm looking for versions of what this line litterally means, thanks.

 

[oi_antz]

"Pride leads to disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom." -Proverbs 11:2

I'm wondering, since the two are in the same line. Does this mean pride with humility is ok? I've been confused about pride for awhile I'm not sure if its a good or bad to thing to have when balanced with humility.

I'm not looking for opinions I'm looking for versions of what this line litterally means, thanks.

When I first came to understand pride I thought that there were two different types of pride. There is a type of pride you feel as a father when your child brings home a certificate of achievement. That is a good thing. There is another type of pride which makes you think that you are right and anyone who disagree's is wrong. That is bad pride, and that is what God hates, because it is the opposite of humility. Humility is taking the lower step, allowing your neighbor to be esteemed above you. If everyone was humble there would be no war, there would be no famine, there would be abundance for everyone and that is what we look forward to in heaven with Jesus as King. It's actually the toughest attribute to exercise, some days may be especially hard. But we know that humility is one of the fruits of the spirit, and a good indication of your spiritual position (look how putrid the pride of a minority Christian activist that loves to hog the media's attention).

 

[GarrickBrewer]

just like oi antz said, there is good pride and bad pride, good pride would be if you made a chair in wood shop and said " This chair is beautiful, and to beleive i built it with my own hands" bad pride would be " Look how amazing this chair is, there is no other chair as good as mine, no one could make a better chair than me"
And humility would be admitting when someone has a better chair than yours, complimenting them on it, and maybe asking them to show you how they made theirs so nice. Humility is also recognizing the fact that your chair would not have been so good if god did not bless you with the skills to make it.

 

[razzelflabben]

just like oi antz said, there is good pride and bad pride, good pride would be if you made a chair in wood shop and said " This chair is beautiful, and to beleive i built it with my own hands" bad pride would be " Look how amazing this chair is, there is no other chair as good as mine, no one could make a better chair than me"
And humility would be admitting when someone has a better chair than yours, complimenting them on it, and maybe asking them to show you how they made theirs so nice. Humility is also recognizing the fact that your chair would not have been so good if god did not bless you with the skills to make it.

[/quote] I disagree...scripture tells us that all good things (including but not limited to the ability to make the chair) are from God. Therefore, to take pride in myself for making a good chair, is as evil as the pride that claims it is the best chair, because both assume I did it on my own, without the help of God. Both put myself above someone else, even if that someone is God.

Pride is the opposite of humility, as I see it, there are two parts to it 1. humility is understanding who we are...consider Romans 12:3...For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.

and 2. humility is allowing someone else to be above you without judgment, fear, boasting, arrogance, etc. It is putting others above self...I Cor. 13

The other absolute we know from scripture is that God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble...James 4:6

Basically is shakes down this way...when we are proud of the job we have done, or our child's acheivments, we are forgetting who God is and how much He has given us. When we boast of who we are, we are putting ourselves in first place, both lack a truth and Love that God commands us to live in.

 

[aiki]

"Pride leads to disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom." -Proverbs 11:2

I'm wondering, since the two are in the same line. Does this mean pride with humility is ok?

No, it doesn't. The word "with" does not link pride to humility; it links wisdom to humility. You could read the last half of the verse this way: "...but wisdom comes with humility."

I've been confused about pride for awhile I'm not sure if its a good or bad to thing to have when balanced with humility.

There is no "balance" between pride and humility. Not in the biblical view of things anyway.

Selah.

 

[Noxot]

if you search and look you will see that things that seem only evil are not. for instance lust, hate, envy, pride, obsession, ignorance. all those things are pure in Christ.

i love using hate to hate the hate that hates other people for instance.

has anyone seen a wicked humility? such a terrible terrible wicked and vile poison that thing is! yeah the humility that bows down to folly is a sick one!
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Prov 11:2 (YLT)
Pride hath come, and shame cometh, And with the lowly is wisdom.

here is a greek translation, the numbers are the order you read it in english i think.
Prov 11:2 (ABPen)
Where ever [2 should enter 1 insult], [3 there 2 is also 1 dishonor]; but the mouth of the humble meditates upon wisdom.

or maybe this is useful, i dunno.. it trys to explain the hebrew:
Prov 11:2 (NET)
​​​​​​​ ​​​​​​​When pride1 comes,2 then comes disgrace,3
but with humility4 comes5 wisdom

Prov 11:2 (NET Notes)
1 tn Heb “presumptuousness.” This term is from the root זִיד, zid (or זוּד, zud) which means “to boil; to seethe; to act proudly; to act presumptuously.” The idea is that of boiling over the edge of the pot, signifying overstepping the boundaries (e.g., Gen 25:29).

Prov 11:2 (NET Notes)
2 tn The verbs show both the sequence and the correlation. The first is the perfect tense of בּוֹא (bo’, “to enter; to come” it is followed by the preterite with vav consecutive from the same verb, showing that one follows or comes with the other. Because the second verb in the colon is sequential to the first, the first may be subordinated as a temporal clause.

Prov 11:2 (NET Notes)
3 sn This proverb does not state how the disgrace will come, but affirms that it will follow pride. The proud will be brought down.

Prov 11:2 (NET Notes)
4 tn Heb “modesty”; KJV, ASV “the lowly.” The adjective צְנוּעִים (tsÿnu’im, “modest&#8221 is used as a noun; this is an example of antimeria in which one part of speech is used in the place of another (see E. W. Bullinger, Figures of Speech, 491-506), e.g., “Let the dry [adjective] appear!” = dry land (Gen 1:9). The root צָנַע (tsana’, “to be modest; to be humble&#8221 describes those who are reserved, retiring, modest. The plural form is used for the abstract idea of humility.

Prov 11:2 (NET Notes)
5 tn The term “comes” does not appear in the Hebrew, but is supplied in the translation from parallelism.

i would like to add other verses that talk about pride:

Prov 16:18 (YLT)
Before destruction is pride, And before stumbling--a haughty spirit.'

Prov 18:12 (YLT)
Before destruction the heart of man is high, And before honour is humility.

Prov 15:33 (YLT)
The fear of Jehovah is the instruction of wisdom, And before honour is humility!

 

[drich0150]

"Pride leads to disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom." -Proverbs 11:2

I'm wondering, since the two are in the same line. Does this mean pride with humility is ok? I've been confused about pride for awhile I'm not sure if its a good or bad to thing to have when balanced with humility.

I'm not looking for opinions I'm looking for versions of what this line literally means, thanks.

If you are looking for a way to balance your pride but have not the wisdom to complete the task then it should be apparent that you efforts in humility are still lacking.

Using this verse alone apply humility until you have the wisdom to know what to do with your pride.